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David K
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Thanks Judy...
We will meet up with Phil C once we arrive on Wednesday from Bob & Susan's and check out what is available... We only need a motel room for the
night, not a resort... We will be sight-seeing all day along the coast (to Ligui/ Ensenada Blanca) and at the mission, etc. Comfy bed, AC, good
shower... that is all we seek for the motel.
I plan on taking lots of photos to share when we get back... Thursday we will drive to San Javier and unless it is rediculously too hot, we will go to
Comondu and La Purisima... then back to Bahia Concepcion or beyond for Thursday night... Friday and Saturday working our way back north.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Also, we aren't staying in the room except to sleep, as we are in Loreto to see the place and show Baja Angel where California began.
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California began????? The settlement of people in Baja began a very long time before the first Spanish Mission.
And as you know, it was not the first attempt by the Spanish to conquer Baja, so the establishment of the mission at Loreto, could maybe be called the
final nail in the coffin for many of the indigenous people and their culture.
Sorry, but my indigenous ancestor rolls over every time European settlement is described as the beginning--- Columbus did not "discover" a "New World"
devoid of people and culture.
Have a good trip
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gnukid
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I would agree, that it's important to see the long history of the region, beyond '200 years of Missions' or even 500 to 1000-2000 years. To see a
unique place and personality with many later contributors from many backgrounds. It's this diverse background of people, teaming together, sharing
recipes, tools and methods of survival that is the identity of Baja over the last 500-600 years and today.
For this reason, I shudder when I hear Nomad's say it's their land and I am just a visitor with no connection or place as a contributor etc...
incorrect. We are an intertwined region and culture who is dependent upon each other economically, socially and culturally with broad base
connectedness.
In fact, there is the concept that still today old Baja is young and still defining its personality and culture. It is a social experiment. Every
person who visits is a key contributor and should see themselves as significant to Baja.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I would agree, that it's important to see the long history of the region, beyond '200 years of Missions' or even 500 to 1000-2000 years. To see a
unique place and personality with many later contributors from many backgrounds. It's this diverse background of people, teaming together, sharing
recipes, tools and methods of survival that is the identity of Baja over the last 500-600 years and today.
For this reason, I shudder when I hear Nomad's say it's their land and I am just a visitor with no connection or place as a contributor etc...
incorrect. We are an intertwined region and culture who is dependent upon each other economically, socially and culturally with broad base
connectedness.
In fact, there is the concept that still today old Baja is young and still defining its personality and culture. It is a social experiment. Every
person who visits is a key contributor and should see themselves as significant to Baja. |
I agree with most of what you say, and while difficult, history should be viewed in the context of the times in which it occurred. And then there is
the big dose of reality---the lasting affects and change that is here and now.
I am not one who believes that Baja should be given back to the indigenous people, any more than I would think the present day Japanese should give
Japan back to the Ainu---or even a more modern reality--I don't think the US should give back the spoils of the war of 1848.
History has always been a story of cultural exchange either peacefully, or by war. I just shudder when history is presented as beginning
with contact with Europeans----the extremely biased history that is still too often taught in our schools whether it be the "New World", Africa or
Asia. Every continent already had empires and conquerors of their own.
So, IMHO, Loreto is important as the beginning of the mission system----a major change in the history of California, but not the beginning.
Then again, I am one who believes that Rome never fell---it only changed.
[Edited on 7-15-2009 by jdtrotter]
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Bajahowodd
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Actually, Rome has way more graffiti than does Loreto!
Wow. Hacienda Suites cites 464 Pesos. Price keeps dropping. That's way less than their standard rate of $95 USD.
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David K., San Javier, Comondu, La Purisima, and back to Hwy 1. just south of the Bay of Conception? You might want to spend the night somewhere along
the line. Louis Reyes? An older couple with a neat place in Comondu. Just watch out for the dog.
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David K
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Thanks Cypress... I figure the dirt section from Loreto to San Javier, Comondu and La Purisima and back to Hwy. 1 near Concepcion Bay is just over 100
miles... That is not a problem in one day (with photo stops)... But, depends on how much Baja Angel likes Loreto and how hot the interior is will
decide if we just visit San Javier and return to Loreto... or push on the the two other missions.
Diane... Of course I meant the Spanish and their FIRST successful colony/ mission was LORETO ('where California began'). The reason I use that term
is because our own U.S./ California public school system teaches the children that (Spanish)California began in San Diego, in 1769.
Earlier attemts by Cortez... and later the Jesuits at La Paz and San Bruno failed.
The Indians didn't call the land 'California', did they?
[Edited on 7-16-2009 by David K]
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Don't eat at the Mita - my friend had the revenge for 4 days - this was last week. I ate there also and had a touch of it myself. If you walk in to
use the bano it's about 120 degrees inside so my theory is that the leave the food out too long before preparing it and it spoils.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajurel
Don't eat at the Mita - my friend had the revenge for 4 days - this was last week. I ate there also and had a touch of it myself. If you walk in to
use the bano it's about 120 degrees inside so my theory is that the leave the food out too long before preparing it and it spoils. |
Yah, I saw that in your trip report... It is hard to believe it is nothing more than a rare case, otherwise it wouldn't get so many positive reviews,
like this (from above):
"You betcha. Mita Gourmet's chef/owner Juan Carlos makes a fabulous arrachera steak with chimmichuri sauce, great chicken dishes and pork loin.
He is originally from Uruguay, so he has that "roasted beef out on the Pampas" sensibility.
But you're missing out if you don't try his Shrimp Chipotle dish, and his lobster with garlic sauce is muy sabroso. My personal favorite is his Curry
Cream Pasta with shrimp or chicken. Riquisimo!!
You'll enjoy meeting Juan Carlos."
Jurel, thanks for the reply... and we will be cautious with the order, wherever we eat... We will have a long drive home Friday and Saturday and don't
need the turista two step enroute!
Do you remember what your friend ordered at Mita's?
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flyfishinPam
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I recently had a meal at Mita and would not recommend it even though my stepson works there and is very personable. The service was excellent and the
atmosphere was nice in the evening but that's where the positive experience ended. The food was horrible and I couldn't even eat it. We were invited
there so when the owner asked the how is everything question I remained silent, if I were paying for the meal he would have had an earful.
the children ordered the shrimp c-cktail at $130 pesos, usually I don't notice the price of things but when you get a big glass with two nice shrimp
hanging over the side you assume there's more in that salsa. There were two tiny pieces of shrimp floating around in the overly sweet and watery pico
de gallo sauce! I asked if there was a mistake but was told that's how it is served. Well disappointing to say the least. I ordered the arrachera
as did my husband and the kids ordered the spaghetti and split the plate. The pasta was terrible and the sauce was worse it ended up being fed to
dogs. My arrachera was ordered medium rare and since I had already worked about 15 hours that day I was ready to chew on a big hunk of meat. So I
cut off a big hunk and the freaking thing is RAW! I sent it back and then tried again, it was not edible. Nor was my husbands whose was also sent
back to be cooked as his was raw too but since I figured it out first he didn't have the same unpleasant experience. Upon trying to eat this meat
again I realized if had gone off, or it had been frozen since the Nixon administration but whatever the problem it also was fed to dogs. I couldn't
even eat the salad I only ate the potato and drank a nice french pressed coffee. Not worth the time or the money. When I pay for my food I expect
something good when I receive complete garbage instead its insulting.
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David K
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Wow... must be a new chef there? Where would you suggest Baja Angel (likes shrimp or steak or non-mole Mexican food) and I go Wednesday night for
dinner? Phil C and company may be with us, too... (and I had him convinced we would go to Mita's. lol)...
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David K. Visit Augies. Nothing fancy. But you'll be glad you did. It's on the water front, good food and good people.
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flyfishinPam
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My shop is insice Mediterraneo but not to be a **** to that place I have to admit during my few weeks of working downstairs I have ordered just about
everything on the menu. I like all of the Italian dishes with the exception of the spaghetti because the pasta comes from a bag. The ravioli however
and the tortellini are hand made and you really notice the difference. They have steaks and meats as well but I don't eat too much meat, good salads
and decent pizza that's different its made of filo instead of regular pizza dough. I had a pizza with sundried tomatoes, black olives and artichoke
hearts that was excellent.
another restaurant right next to Mita is called 1697 and is Italian air conditioned inside but you can sit outside as well if you'd like, they make
the traditional style pizzas and they're good (of course mine are better). Their pasta is decent as well.
Mexican I like Canipole right behind the Mission behind the shut down Loreto Bay office. The inside is decorated really cool and artsy and you have a
view of the mission tower. Bring mosquito repellent this time of year and those things will hide and git ya. Sophia makes her tortillas by hand and
her specialties are rabbit, mole, paella, and traditional Mexican dishes.
Super Burro is a good cheap place to eat that serves good quality food. Usually they'll be families there including mine, I like the molcajete
(strips of arrachera with nopal, onions and goat cheese with fresh corn tortillas), and the stuffed potatoes and the super burro bet ya can't eat a
whole one!
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If it's really hot, it will be really hot at Augies. Domingo's is air-conditioned (if you don't mind a little mesquite odor on your clothes afterward.
Wide assortment of beef, pork, seafood etc. Complimentary ceviche. Not as gringo as Augies.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Actually, Rome has way more graffiti than does Loreto!
Wow. Hacienda Suites cites 464 Pesos. Price keeps dropping. That's way less than their standard rate of $95 USD. |
Make sure that is not PER PERSON I was duped with the way they post their rates when I had my folks here a few years ago.
and don't forget the 13% tax which many hotels add on top of their posted rate
[Edited on 7-16-2009 by flyfishinPam]
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bajajudy
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Pam
you got my curiosity up so I checked on a room for 3 nights in August.
http://www.pricetravel.com.mx/Hacienda-Suites-Loreto/habitac...
BUT I could get the third night free
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Phil C
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I've always had great food at Loreto Islas. I think Francisco is one of the best cooks in Loreto. Maybe we'll try that.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
I recently had a meal at Mita and would not recommend it even though my stepson works there and is very personable. The service was excellent and the
atmosphere was nice in the evening but that's where the positive experience ended. The food was horrible and I couldn't even eat it. We were invited
there so when the owner asked the how is everything question I remained silent, if I were paying for the meal he would have had an earful."
WOW. I can't believe we have been eating at the same restaurant, Pam!!!
Juan Carlos and Marta (the owners) will be upset when they hear this. He is the type of restauranteur who demands great service from his employees
(your stepson Yassir is delightful) and goes out of his way to make sure his guests are totally satisfied with their meals. Likewise for his wife
Marta. Juan Carlos was the general manager of Las Hadas in Manzanillo for years and knows how to handle a complaint.
I'll see them tonight, and make sure they read this.
And the business about the food making someone sick......
I understand that it takes 24-48 hours for extreme gripa caused by food to set in.
At any rate, your posts will be forwarded to some very responsible and concerned business owners. |
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Paula
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I've never understood all the raves about the food at Mita. While Juan Carlos and Martha are very nice people and the service is good, I've never had
good food there.
Loreto is not a great restaurant town. Domingo's is good for steaks and gringo pleasing meals. Islas Loreto is really good, but offers little
variety so you can't go there very often. After 2 years of not going to Canipole for a number of reasons, I recently had an excellent dinner there,
and it is hands down the prettiest restaurant in town. The Giggling Dolphin is OK. Augie's food is not good, but it is pleasant to have a drink
upstairs and look at Isla Carmen. La Cascada on Salvatierra at Zapata is surprisingly good, and very inexpensive. La Palapa is hit or miss. Picazon
north of town toward Doctor's point is a grat place to be, with so-so food and high prices. Mediterraneo seems to be better than it was, and the
prices are more reasonable. I think the best choice is to go for a c-cktail at Augie's, then dinner at Islas Loreto.
Happy anniversary, David and Elizabeth, and happy trails!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Phil C
I've always had great food at Loreto Islas. I think Francisco is one of the best cooks in Loreto. Maybe we'll try that. |
We will put our trust into your hands, Phil! See you Wednesday!
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