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David K
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That's a great link Lou... Hey MyGoat, take a look!
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Cypress
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Being on the Climate Change bandwagon is politically correct right now, but the wheels are beginning to wobble. Climate has changed in the past and will change in the future. Just like the seasons.
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In Europe country's such as Norway, Denmark,Sweeden,Finland,Greenland,Iceland and Russia have been scientificaly studying global warming for over 40
years.They have spent millions on research and development of electronic tracing and information gathering devices (instruments) that they install on
ice fields and galaciers which they monitor on a monthly basis. They helicopter in scientists every month and they brave extreme weather conditions to
read and collect data as to what is happening. Many devoted scientists have been living in crude makeshift weater info. gathering staions and huts, in
severe conditions, to understand what is relly happening. Scientific info. gleaned from satilite photos and animal and fish info. also gathered from
wildlife bioligists is entered into this equation also. In Australia many huge and complicated atmosphere collection disks have been built that are
able to measure incredidle things, like the ozone layer, and can detect temperatures and changes to the onehunderedth of degrees.All these scientists
have accepted and agree that there is just to many studies that confirm man made polution is causing the planet to heat up.And that Global Warming is
a serious threat! ++C++
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
That's a great link Lou... Hey MyGoat, take a look! |
dk,
that's an opinion piece, not a peer reviewed paper. try again, ditto head
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Barry A.
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Crusoe said, "All these scientists have accepted and agree that there is just to many studies that confirm man made polution is causing the planet to
heat up.And that Global Warming is a serious threat! ++C++ "
I don't buy it---especially the "all these scientiests" part------------I would like references to this info source--------I have heard and read just
the opposite--------much controversy still over that much put forth "conclusion".
Barry
By the way, a "fact" is what David (and others) have observed over time (reference Shell Island)---------but I agree that the conclusions reached by
observing that "fact" are not scientific, but THEY ARE relevant, at least to me.
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tripledigitken
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Pompano,
How about your observations of water levels at your "sea wall" over the last 30 years? Any noticable change?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Ken
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JESSE
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Have i created a monster??
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David K
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In 1966, the old road along Bahia Concepcion would get covered at lunar high tides and it still does at lunar high tide... If the sea levels have
risen any noticible amount, the old road at sea level would be covered all the time.
In 1966, El Requeson island was connected by a sand bar at low tide... In 2009, it is STILL connected by a sand bar at low tide.
REAL TIME OBSERVATIONS BY SOMEONE WHO HAS NO FINANCIAL GAIN FROM 'GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE' (me)!
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Have i created a monster?? |
Si! 
Politics, religion, and global warming....Always lead to wars. Remember, never bring these subjects up on a first date 
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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I've got what I think is a bigger problem for all you Baja-loving people. It is called the, North Pacific Gyre or more commonly the North Pacific
Garbage Patch.
This is definitely a man-made problem and will affect us all, if it isn't already!
www.seaplexscience.com
Research of this problem is in its infancy, but I think it will have more affect on the oceans and our lives than the imminent global warming!
Saludos, Heather
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If the sea levels have risen any noticible amount, the old road at sea level would be covered all the time.
In 1966, El Requeson island was connected by a sand bar at low tide... In 2009, it is STILL connected by a sand bar at low tide.
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dk,
regarding your road observations, what is tidal range? would you really expect a 5 cm SL rise to "cover all the time?" until the day you do land
survey work to support your visual observations and memories, your scientific approach is highly suspect.
sand bars are not static, infrequent visual observations of sand bars are generally meaningless. the grade of sand bars can rise or fall with every
storm/wave/current event. when you see a sand bar ask yourself, why has it not eroded? what processes are adding sand to location to cause
accumulation? if you start asking yourself these questions, you will may learn that sediments and land surfaces are dynamic, not static.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Have i created a monster?? |
I thought that was your intent. 
Come on, you knew better!
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Jesse- Maybe you should have jusst asked your priest. He's probably as knowledgeable as any of us.
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David K
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Mtgoat... Why is it so important to you to believe the new age observations of the past 'few months' over my 43 years going to the same sea level
places (rock and sand, not just sand) OR better still the scientific papers in the link provided by bajalou?
I am not saying things don't change... they do... I see fossil sea shells dozens of miles from and hundreds of feet HIGHER than the ocean. So, the
oceans have DROPPED since then! If they rise back up... then it IS a NORMAL thing and man has NOTHING to do with the normal change... It will change
regardless if man is here or not. Thinking that man is more powerful than nature is foolish that man causes the climate to change or sea levels to
rise is ignorant of natural history.
Since man cannot change the natural order, then I conclude the giving government powers to restrict our normal activities ONLY serves to take power
away from the people by the (neo-Marxist) administration, now in control. Don't you trust yourself to know what is best for you and your family? Would
you really prefer that a bureaucrat in Washington dictate your every move?
I am for personal freedom and happiness... for everyone, not just 'party members' in their jets and limmos.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I am not saying things don't change... they do... I see fossil sea shells dozens of miles from and hundreds of feet HIGHER than the ocean. So, the
oceans have DROPPED since then! I... |
In addition to tectonic plate activity and water level changes, is it also possible be that indians carried shells and dropped them at different
locations and higher elevations for ceremony, by accident or just for fun or that even modern man has carried shells to high mountain tops? hmmm Have
you ever seen a burial ground with rocks from all around the world?
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Barry A.
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35 years ago I was the Natl. Park Service Ranger-pilot for Cape Hatteras/Cape Lookout Natl. Seashore, etc.. At the time we were experiencing what
appeared to be severe and on-going errosion of the Outer Banks of North Carolina. All (or most) the "scientific" studies, of which there were many,
indicated that the Outer Banks would be breached in multiple places, and the sand banks themselves would be essentially destroyed within 10 years (?)
exposing the North Carolina inner-coast to face the onslaught of the Atlantic Ocean during the famed Nor-easterner storms, and occasional hurricanes.
Today the Outer Banks are still intact, tho errosion has rearanged things substantially. Scientific studies are certainly helpful, but decisions
that affect everybodies livelyhood should not be hastily made until we know for sure what is actually going on, in my opinion.
As a Geographer, I can say with reasonable certainty that what is often scientifically projected to be happening is often not at all what eventually
and actually does happen.
Like "reforming" Health Care, we should move slowly, and study thoroughly before actually implementing plans that have enormous consequences, in my
opinion.
Barry
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David K
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The sea shells eaten by Indians hundreds or even thousands of years ago are not yet fossil rocks or petrified in stone...
What I was talking about are millions of years old, pre-man...
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Mtgoat... Why is it so important to you to believe the new age observations of the past 'few months' over my 43 years going to the same sea level
places (rock and sand, not just sand) OR better still the scientific papers in the link provided by bajalou?
I am not saying things don't change... they do... I see fossil sea shells dozens of miles from and hundreds of feet HIGHER than the ocean. So, the
oceans have DROPPED since then! If they rise back up... then it IS a NORMAL thing and man has NOTHING to do with the normal change... It will change
regardless if man is here or not. Thinking that man is more powerful than nature is foolish that man causes the climate to change or sea levels to
rise is ignorant of natural history.
Since man cannot change the natural order, then I conclude the giving government powers to restrict our normal activities ONLY serves to take power
away from the people by the (neo-Marxist) administration, now in control. Don't you trust yourself to know what is best for you and your family? Would
you really prefer that a bureaucrat in Washington dictate your every move?
I am for personal freedom and happiness... for everyone, not just 'party members' in their jets and limmos. |
dk, you provide comedic relief 
thanks for the chuckle 
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David K
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Come on now and answer the three questions... it's okay, because we want you to be free and happy, afterall:
1) Why is it so important to you to believe the new age observations of the past 'few months' over my 43 years going to the same sea level places
(rock and sand, not just sand) OR better still the scientific papers in the link provided by bajalou?
2) Don't you trust yourself to know what is best for you and your family?
3) Would you really prefer that a bureaucrat in Washington dictate your every move?
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Kill the Fish
I know you guys are much smarter than me.
What if we just deplete the fish stocks more as a way to stop the rising tide!?
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