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tigerdog
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
tigerdog, $10K here and there is chump change compared to what's going on now. How 'bout several trillion being tossed down the rat hole? |
And that's relevant to who is funding the Heartland Institute in what way?
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Well, there's this:
"Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an
over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous (global warming) is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the
solutions are..."
former Vice President Al Gore
(now, chairman and co-founder of Generation Investment Management--
a London-based business that sells carbon credits)
(in interview with Grist Magazine May 9, 2006, concerning his book, An Inconvenient Truth)
I found it in a report on global warming which is rather informative and provides weight to the idea that man's activities are having minimal---not
none---but minimal effects:
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html#anchor210826...
I'm sure Taco de Baja can find some other examples, perhaps better, since he is a paleontologist.
The upside to scaring folks into the global warming hysteria is that we could accelerate our way into energy independence---by not finding new sources
of energy we are kept in the mire of Middle East politics...always a paradox, good and bad......
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Barry A.
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Good points, Mexitron---
Al Gore's statement is a retreat into intellectualism that is often utilized by the "elite", and I think is short-sighted and so transparent. When a
controversial position is over-stated, many folks become suspicious and tend to fight it, just on principal. Those tactics appear to work in active
debates, but, IMO, have the opposite effect when folks are free to digest the info.
It constantly amazes me that the intellectuals (including some of my friends) don't seem to understand that concept.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
Lux sit!
(it's probaably too late for you) |
Good response, Goat. It sure is easy to spot the person with the vacuous argument. Instead of responding to a debate with facts, he just calls the
other guy a name (Ad Hominem fallacy). Now, if you would like to try again to argue your position by pointing to the scientific studies which have
eliminated the variable energy output of the Sun as a factor in the current warming trends, and positively correlated greenhouse gasses as the sole
factor, please present them.
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Here is a report by some other scientists who are independent of governmental funding.
http://www.climatechangereconsidered.org/
(I haven't read the all of report, just some short reviews of it.)
I tend to give more credence to reports by people who are not paid to come up with a pre-determined answer.
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And There is This- The final word....IN HOT WATER....WORLD SETS OCEAN TEMPERATURE RECORD!!!!....In Scarborough, Maine, a 26 yo man Steve Kramer goes
swimming in 72 degree water. At Ocean City, Md. the water temp hit 88 degrees. Kramer said its the first time I'ever swam for so long off the town I
grew up in. Its not just the ocean off the Northeast coast, that is super warm this summer.....July was the hottest the worlds oceans have been in
almost 130 years of record keeping. The average water temp worldwide was62.6 degrees. according to the Natl. Climatic Data Center which is the branch
of U.S. Govt. that keeps world weather records.....Meteoroligists say there is a combination of forces here at work. The resulting ocean heat is
already harming threatened coral reefs. It could also hasten the melting of the artic sea ice and help hurricanes strenghten.The gulf of Mex. where
warm water fuels hurricanes, has temps. dancing around 90 degrees. Most of the water in the Northern Hemisphere has been cosiderably warmer than
normal. Hotter temparatures are the rule in the Pacific and Indian oceans as well. The heat is most notable near the Arctic,where water temps are 10
degrees above average. The tounges of hot water will help melt sea ice from below and even cause thawing of ice sheets on Greenland, say the head
climate scientists at the Earth and Science Observation center at the Univ. of Colo..BREAKING HEAT RECORDS IN WATER is more omnimus,as a sign of
global warming than breaking temperature marks on land, because water takes longer to heat up and does not cool offas easily as land. ++C++
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ooooh... now I am scared!
What can I do? Give money to algore for carbon offsets? How does that change the ocean temperature?
How do you know that water warming [this year] isn't 'normal' or natural? How do you know if the water wasn't warmer 1000 years ago (when the Vikings
came to North America... called places Greenland and Vineland that are covered in ice now or recently).
How does believing in the false science of man made global warming or 'climate change' benefit you? Why scare schoolkids with that kooky movie... When
will volcanoes and solar flares, the real culprits in climate change, get the credit they deserve.. . and nobody can do a darn thing to change either.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
July was the hottest the world’s oceans have been in almost 130 years of record keeping. The resulting ocean heat ... could also ...help hurricanes
strengthen. The gulf of Mex. where warm water fuels hurricanes, has temps. dancing around 90 degrees. Most of the water in the Northern Hemisphere has
been considerably warmer than normal. |
Yeah, that explains why in AUGUST we are only up to Hurricane Bill for the Atlantic season. B as in the second one! No Hurricanes
for June...none in July...none in early August....That has only happened a handful of times since record keeping began. We should be up to Hurricane
Nicholas or Odette, based on that theory.
How about Seattle having such a COLD December last year the SNOW shut down the City Seattle most snow in a decade and the Mayor mishandled it so badly he just lost the runoff election Incumbent Loses 3rd Term Bid as Seattle’s Mayor….Maybe that cancelled out all the hot water in the Atlantic and decreased formation of hurricanes?
Seriously, Stop with the scare stories...The climate is going to do what it wants, with or without us. I’m really surprised no one has suggested we
try sacrificing a few virgins like the Mayans did in an attempt to change the weather. 
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The sea shells eaten by Indians hundreds or even thousands of years ago are not yet fossil rocks or petrified in stone...
What I was talking about are millions of years old, pre-man... |
Whoa, the earth was only created 6000 years
ago when Adam and Eve were riding dinosaurs. You need to check out the Dinosaur land creationist theme park down in Florida.
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No it's National Security
| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
July was the hottest the world’s oceans have been in almost 130 years of record keeping. The resulting ocean heat ... could also ...help hurricanes
strengthen. The gulf of Mex. where warm water fuels hurricanes, has temps. dancing around 90 degrees. Most of the water in the Northern Hemisphere has
been considerably warmer than normal. |
Yeah, that explains why in AUGUST we are only up to Hurricane Bill for the Atlantic season. B as in the second one! No Hurricanes
for June...none in July...none in early August....That has only happened a handful of times since record keeping began. We should be up to Hurricane
Nicholas or Odette, based on that theory.
How about Seattle having such a COLD December last year the SNOW shut down the City Seattle most snow in a decade and the Mayor mishandled it so badly he just lost the runoff election Incumbent Loses 3rd Term Bid as Seattle’s Mayor….Maybe that cancelled out all the hot water in the Atlantic and decreased formation of hurricanes?
Seriously, Stop with the scare stories...The climate is going to do what it wants, with or without us. I’m really surprised no one has suggested we
try sacrificing a few virgins like the Mayans did in an attempt to change the weather. |
Really liked the "sacrificing a few virgins" good one...
But there is a new group who are concerned the US Military see link
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,17307...
you will have to cut and paste the link, can't get the link in
[Edited on 8-24-2009 by wessongroup]
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Thank goodness Chu our energy czar is so certain about global warming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=symYfq51aho
[Edited on 8-24-2009 by gnukid]
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Listen to them squirm. What to do when the actual temps don't match your models or predictions. They are in denial that the climate will do want it
wants.
| Quote: | WASHINGTON Official government measurements show the world's temperature has dropped a bit since reaching its most recent peak in 1998.
That's given global warming skeptics new ammunition to attack the prevailing theory of climate change. Skeptics argue the current stretch of slightly
lower temperatures means that costly measures to limit carbon dioxide emissions are ill-founded and unnecessary.
Many scientists agree, however, that hotter times are ahead. A decade of level or slightly lower temperatures is only a temporary dip to be expected
as a result of natural, short-term variations in the complex climate system, they say.
“The preponderance of evidence is that global warming will resume,” Nicholas Bond, a meteorologist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration's Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory in Seattle, said in an e-mail.
“Natural variability can account for the slowing of the global mean temperature rise we have seen,” said Jeff Knight, a climate expert at the Hadley
Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Exeter, England.
According to data from the National Space Science and Technology Center in Huntsville, Ala., the global high temperature in 1998 was 1.37 degrees
Fahrenheit above the average for the previous 20 years. So far this year, the high has been 0.76 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20-year average, cooler
than before.
“It's entirely possible to have a period as long as a decade or two of cooling superimposed on the long-term warming trend,” said David Easterling,
chief of scientific services at NOAA's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.
“The temperature peak in 1998 to a large extent can be attributed to the very strong El Niño event of 1997-98,” Bond said. “Temperatures for the globe
as a whole tend to be higher during El Nino.”
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| Quote: | The beleaguered polar bear population around Canada’s Hudson Bay got a brief reprieve from global warming this summer.
Cooler temperatures resulted in sea ice lasting longer than it has in years, allowing the bears extra time to hunt seals from the ice and raise
healthier cubs.
“Even just one or two weeks out on the sea ice can make a difference in how many seals they kill and how much fat they’re able to store on their
bodies,” said polar bear specialist Andrew Derocher of the University of Alberta.
But experts warn that a single summer’s break from global warming in much of Arctic Canada doesn’t mean that polar bears are out of danger.
“The overall prognosis for bears on a worldwide basis still remains dim at best,” said Robert Buchanan, head of California-based Polar Bear
International. “This is an aberration,” he told Canadian Press.
Polar bear observers in Churchill, Manitoba, on the western shore of Hudson Bay, say that while the animals appear to be doing well this summer, even
the largest of the species aren’t as big as they once were.
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It was 39 degrees this morn. here in north woods.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Yeah, that explains why in AUGUST we are only up to Hurricane Bill for the Atlantic season. B as in the second one! No Hurricanes
for June...none in July...none in early August....That has only happened a handful of times since record keeping began. We should be up to Hurricane
Nicholas or Odette, based on that theory. |
| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
So we are now going to predict furure global warming based on one month? |
| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
So we are now going to predict furure global warming based on one month? |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Listen to them squirm. What to do when the actual temps don't match your models or predictions. They are in denial that the climate will do want it
wants. |
| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
So we are now going to predict furure global warming based on one month? |
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Taco de Baja
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Exactly how many computer climate models incorporate the biological formation of clouds/rain/hail/snow into their GIGO data?
The next great frontier in the search for new life may not be 6.5 miles deep in the ocean, but up to 40 miles up in the atmosphere and determining
exactly what this life does to affect life down here.
| Quote: | A team of atmospheric chemists has moved closer to what's considered the "holy grail" of climate change science: the first-ever direct detections of
biological particles within ice clouds.
Airborne dust and microbial matter appear to play large role in ice formation in clouds.
Analysis of the ice crystals revealed that the particles that started their growth were made up almost entirely of either dust or biological material
such as bacteria, fungal spores and plant material.
The team, led by Kimberly Prather and Kerri Pratt of the University of California at San Diego, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, sampled water
droplet and ice crystal residues at high speeds while flying through clouds in the skies over Wyoming.
Results of the Ice in Clouds Experiment - Layer Clouds (ICE-L), funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF), appear May 17 in the advance online
edition of the journal Nature Geoscience.
Aerosols, ranging from dust, soot, and sea salt to organic materials, some of which travel thousands of miles, form the skeletons of clouds.
The findings suggest that the biological particles that get swept up in dust storms help to induce the formation of cloud ice, and that their region
of origin makes a difference. Evidence is increasingly suggesting that dust transported from Asia could be influencing precipitation in North America,
for example.
Researchers hope to use the ICE-L data to design future studies timed to events when such particles may play a bigger role in triggering rain or
snowfall. |
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The primary problem is GREENHOUSE GAS which is created and supplied by mostly automobiles! Plain and simple. ++C++
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And on to another subject which is probably happening quicker to destroy our environment and quality of life on this planet is OCEAN ACIDAFICATION!
++C++
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Zero population growth
Chasing the tail... what is the carrying capacity of the earth? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
The primary problem is GREENHOUSE GAS which is created and supplied by mostly automobiles! Plain and simple. ++C++ |
Thought I would check that out since I didn't know.
http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Main_Page
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