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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Has nothing to do with "programming" and last time I checked the animals in the Oceans are in steep decline. |
You would have us believe that people should be reduced because you read that somewhere. You believe that people are a problem. Following your logic,
we must then decide who gets to live and who should die, or who can procreate and who cannot.
So go ahead, tell us, who should live and who should die, who either according to what you read or based on your own policy. And tell us your perfect
population level and describe your method of population control?
Sounds great!
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Cypress
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wessongroup, The steep decline of most Ocean animals is a fact. The decline of most land animals is also a fact. No doubt that the increase in humans
for space, food, and resources is the dominant reason. Mother nature usually throws in a correction factor to balance things out.
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Bajahowodd
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This is so much an exercise in mutual masturbation. You guys can proffer all the studies that your heart's desire. But in the end, it's going to come
down to who can make a profit doing what.
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Crusoe
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2/3rds of this Planet is Ocean.....A healthy ocean is essential for life on this Planet. What would you do if you knew that many species of fish and
other marine life in the ocean will be gone within 30 years, if levels of CO2 continue increasing at their present rate? I would assume you would take
action to stop this from happening,because informed people make informed choices. An event known as Ocean Acidification is effecting all our Oceans
now! Ocean Acidification is primarily caused by burning of fossil fuels.When carbon dioxide in the atmosphere ends up in the ocean it changes the ph,
making the sea water acidic and less hospitable to sea life. Over time CO2 reduces calcium carbonate, which prevents creatures from forming shells and
building reefs. In fact existing shells will start to disolve.Oysters and mussels will not be able to build shells. Crabs and lobsters? Your
grandchildren may wonder what they tasted like. Carbon dioxide concentrated in the oceans is making sea water acidic. Many of the zooplankton, smalll
animals at the base of the food web, have skelotons that won't form in these conditions, and sealife further up the food chain-fish, mammals, and
seabirds that rely on zooplankton for food will also perish. No food- No life. One billion people rely on seafood as their prmary source of protien.
Many scientific reports document that worldwide,humans are already consuming more food than is being produced. The implications are obvious. The issue
of Ocean Acidification is causing irreversible damage and loss to species and habbitats, and acidification trends are happening ten times faster than
projected. Its all part of the big picture. ++C++
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
This is so much an exercise in mutual masturbation. You guys can proffer all the studies that your heart's desire. But in the end, it's going to come
down to who can make a profit doing what. |
A fun time. and sorry david kkkkkkkkkkk
very little logic and a lot of emotion as usual
quote Davidk
"Nice to have some common sense and logic applied to the mix, thanks TdB!
Emotional hysteria (theories) vs. logical evaluation (observations)... "
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David K
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I don't understand your comment, rts551... I was responding to Taco de Baja with that statement. The global warming alarmists are the emotional
ones... Taco de Baja is posting real science links, not Royal society propaganda.
How long have you been going to Abreojos? Have any homes been consumed by higher sea level? Is La Bocana lagoon exposed to the open sea because the
barrier peninsula is underwater now?
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Taco de Baja
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"Ocean Acidification" seems to be another misnomer designed to scare people.
First question I had is what is current pH of the ocean?
I don’t really like Wikipedia, but it has some quick numbers, and I have no idea if they are really correct, but they help to prove a point:
Current pH: 8.104
PH sometime in the past (pre 1700): 8.179
Forecast pH (2050): 7.949
Forecast pH (2100): 7.824
Elementary chemistry states that a pH above 7 is BASIC not ACIDIC. A pH above 7 simply WILL NOT dissolve calcium in sea shells, or coral.
A better phrase is the oceans are becoming less basic...But that is not as scary as saying they are becoming acidic. Is it a bad thing? I don't know.
But to imply the oceans are turning into a vat of acid is wrong. In fact even if the above trend continues (and it might not) the oceans will not be
"acidic" (pH below 6.999) for over 1,000 years.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I don't understand your comment, rts551... I was responding to Taco de Baja with that statement. The global warming alarmists are the emotional
ones... Taco de Baja is posting real science links, not Royal society propaganda.
How long have you been going to Abreojos? Have any homes been consumed by higher sea level? Is La Bocana lagoon exposed to the open sea because the
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I would not expect you to understand. Most people in a fun time won't.
You would not know about the La Bocana Lagoon other than from google earth... so How can I argue against that.
and Don't start about changing beaches. 1959 (pre hurricane). Percebu (Oh I am sorry, shell beach) was very much different then it was today.
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wessongroup
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that's the point
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
wessongroup, The steep decline of most Ocean animals is a fact. The decline of most land animals is also a fact. No doubt that the increase in humans
for space, food, and resources is the dominant reason. Mother nature usually throws in a correction factor to balance things out.
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Absolutely, Mother nature left alone will do her job, however the pressures which we continue to place on the basic cycles; air, water and land to
keeping things moving in the direction society wants can and does have measurable negative consequences.
For some to think it does not happen, well, it does not surprise me at all, if you have been involved in these issues over the past 30-40 years.
I don't find any position truly amazing anymore, nor do I get too upset with those who still want to "build it out".. Or have knee-jerk reactions to
something that treads on what they believe to be their invaluable rights.
If one starts with an open mind, without preconceptions about an individual’s position, rather, what is the subject and what are we talking about.
I still find it amazing that the mention of population would cause an upwelling of this magnitude. Hell I'm not talking about "death panel" just how
having to many people in one-place causes a lot of problems.
Population control is taking place at this time in the heart of Africa at this time along with Tsunamis, earthquakes, asteroids and other “natural”
impacts.
Strange this is an acceptable kind of population control
Later, done for the day, thanks for the input, all good points.
 
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wessongroup
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IF
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Has nothing to do with "programming" and last time I checked the animals in the Oceans are in steep decline. |
You would have us believe that people should be reduced because you read that somewhere. You believe that people are a problem. Following your logic,
we must then decide who gets to live and who should die, or who can procreate and who cannot.
So go ahead, tell us, who should live and who should die, who either according to what you read or based on your own policy. And tell us your perfect
population level and describe your method of population control?
Sounds great! |
Sure, if you will put in wrting you will follow what I outline...
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Skeet/Loreto
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Answer to all of the Problems.
Survival of the Fittiest:
Set up a Special Force to eliminate all Illegal Drug Users.
Eliminate all Drug Dealer and Sellers in all Countries.
Eliminate all those with an IQ lower than 60
Eliminate all persons who refuse to work.
After doing all of the above, Start a "Controll the Population Program which will control all Food Consumed.
Destroy all Cars and Trains; People would not be able to travel more than walking distance of one day from their residence.
Now , who all on this Discussion think that it would change the Climate:
Please respond in a Positive Manner.
Thank You Skeet
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Set up a Special Force to eliminate all Illegal Drug Users.
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Yep...good idea. Start with Rush Limbaugh.
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Crusoe
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I got my money on Wessongroup on this one. ++C++ 
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Set up a Special Force to eliminate all Illegal Drug Users.
Eliminate all Drug Dealer and Sellers in all Countries.
Eliminate all those with an IQ lower than 60
Eliminate all persons who refuse to work. |
Well, that would decimate the Nomads!
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Mexitron
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Hey Taco---get back to work!!! 
On water vapor versus CO2---water vapor is actually a stronger greenhouse gas.
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Answer to all of the Problems.
Survival of the Fittiest:
Set up a Special Force to eliminate all Illegal Drug Users.
Eliminate all Drug Dealer and Sellers in all Countries.
Eliminate all those with an IQ lower than 60
Eliminate all persons who refuse to work.
After doing all of the above, Start a "Controll the Population Program which will control all Food Consumed.
Destroy all Cars and Trains; People would not be able to travel more than walking distance of one day from their residence.
Now , who all on this Discussion think that it would change the Climate:
Please respond in a Positive Manner.
Thank You Skeet |
Skeet
yer losing your last, or next to last marble.......
i think hitler had the same ideas, only he called it a solution to a different problem.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Answer to all of the Problems.
Survival of the Fittiest:
Set up a Special Force to eliminate all Illegal Drug Users.
Eliminate all Drug Dealer and Sellers in all Countries.
Eliminate all those with an IQ lower than 60
Eliminate all persons who refuse to work.
After doing all of the above, Start a "Controll the Population Program which will control all Food Consumed.
Destroy all Cars and Trains; People would not be able to travel more than walking distance of one day from their residence.
Now , who all on this Discussion think that it would change the Climate:
Please respond in a Positive Manner.
Thank You Skeet |
People (and I use the term loosely) like you are called Hitler ...
May you burn in Hell 
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rts551
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Come on guys. lighten up. this is logic and real science. not Royal..... or something like that.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Absurb!!
That was meant to be an Absurb comment, just as the notion of "Climate Change" i.e, Global Warming is Absurb.
Thanks for the Absurb reaction.
Skeet
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
Hey Taco---get back to work!!!
On water vapor versus CO2---water vapor is actually a stronger greenhouse gas. |
Stronger?? More prevalent that's for sure. Actually H2O and CO2 have different radiative heat absorption spectras. That's why CO2 is a concern. More
energy in wavelength regions that H2O does not affect is being trapped now.
But, since so much more heat is trapped by H2O, let's stick with "stronger".
Consider this, an increase in CO2 causes a small rise in temperature because the increase has trapped a small amount of heat. The atmosphere is a bit
warmer.
Well, a warmer atmosphere can hold more water vapor, resulting in......... you guessed it, more of your "stronger" greenhouse gas.
More CO2, more water vapor. Synergy.
[Edited on 8-26-2009 by k-rico]
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