Originally posted by Bajahowodd
This is so much an exercise in mutual masturbation. You guys can proffer all the studies that your heart's desire. But in the end, it's going to come
down to who can make a profit doing what.
Don't know about the mutual masturbation, but I will say at this point in time from my experience you are absolutly correct.
Hurricane/ storm erosion that changes the shoreline is NOT the same as sea level change.
Not quite David. You raise sea level in areas subject to wave action, the waves will begin to eat away at the back of the beach, that's how things
like sea cliff form.
Heck, you can go off the beach in an area like La Jolla (San Diego) and see old sea cliffs that are currently underwater that formed 1,000's of years
ago when sea level was lower. You can look inland and see the marine terraces and sea cliffs that were formed 100,000's of years ago that were
uplifted to their present position 100's of feet above the current sea level by movement along faults.
Sea level change is a NATURAL process. It's just been relatively stable for the last 1,000 years or so. In the past it may have raised as quickly as
several meters over 100 years during massive glacial melts; any rise we are currently experiencing pales in comparison to that. Yet somehow, all the
species that live in the coastal area somehow managed to survive.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
A hurricane can wash away a low area, form a new lagoon inlet, etc.... But, that happens because of the hurricane causes the ocean to move upon the
land... Once the hurricane is over, the world sea level returns to normal... right? Erosion by waves against cliffs is again a normal happening and
not caused by a rising ocean sea level.
The sea level is a benchmark, world wide... Homes along bays build 50 years ago are still there, ie. the sea level is the same during our lifetime.
Would offer that one must first accept the premiss, "we don't know if it is true or false"
Again would offer as a source of information, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences PNAS.
And then do a search on "climate change", the last search came back with over 59,000 research articles on the subject.
To be put "up" the research must meet peer review... you may find it hard slogging. It is not a quick read.
I do agree with the previous posts which cleary states the true drive behind it all, $$$$
Off topic, but the other thread which I check everyday is "Russ's" his pictures are great
and I really like his weather station, spawn of our high tech society.
Yeah, I know some of the best stuff is a result of "people"... let's just hold it down if we can...
Ocean gyros! Real interesting stuff. Check 'em out! They've got harmonics.
They're predictable. The Oceans are like the atmosphere, and "slabs" of water move through the Oceans like clouds in the sky.
Originally posted by JESSE
Does anyone know where can i find info about projected Climate Changes (next 10-30yrs) for the Baja Peninsula?
Gracias.
back to the OP... which Q was never answered...
News article on recent study I found interesting:
Climate Change Could Deepen Poverty In Developing Countries, Study Finds
ScienceDaily (Aug. 21, 2009) — Urban workers could suffer most from climate change as the cost of food drives them into poverty, according to a new
study that quantifies the effects of climate on the world's poor populations. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090820082101.ht...
Some data on sea level monitoring indicates that sea level rise has occurred at a mean rate of 1.8 mm per year for the past century, and more recently
at rates estimated near 2.8 ± 0.4 to 3.1 ± 0.7 mm per year (1993-2003).
NOAA has compiled data on observed sea level changes, and you can see it online at http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.shtml
I am sure the flat earth society will look at the NOAA data and see afew locations affected by tectonic uplift of land and poo-poo the data.
And this summer anomalously high sea level was observed along US Atlantic coast. Interesting article published this week is on line at NOAA:
NOAA Report Explains Sea Level Anomaly this Summer along the U.S. Atlantic Coast
Persistent winds and a weakened current in the Mid-Atlantic contributed to higher than normal sea levels along the Eastern Seaboard in June and
July, according to a new NOAA technical report.
After observing water levels six inches to two feet higher than originally predicted, NOAA scientists began analyzing data from select tide
stations and buoys from Maine to Florida and found that a weakening of the Florida Current Transport - an oceanic current that feeds into the Gulf
Stream - in addition to steady and persistent Northeast winds, contributed to this anomaly.
"The ocean is dynamic and it's not uncommon to have anomalies," said Mike Szabados, director of NOAA's Center for Operational Oceanographic
Products and Services. "What made this event unique was its breadth, intensity and duration."
The highest atypical sea levels occurred closer to where the anomaly formed in the Mid-Atlantic, where cities like Baltimore, Md., at times
experienced extreme high tides as much as two feet higher than normal. Data from NOAA's National Water Level Observation Network tide stations,
Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory, and National Data Buoy Center, are published in the report.
Impacts of the event were amplified by the occurrence of a perigean-spring tide, the natural timing of the season and month when the moon is
closest to the Earth and its gravitational pull heightens the elevation of the water. The combined effects of this tide with the sea level anomaly
produced minor flooding on the coast.
"The report is a good first assessment," said NOAA Oceanographer William Sweet, Ph.D. "However, NOAA, with our academic partners, should continue
to investigate the broader causes behind the event. Further analysis is needed to fully understand what is driving the patterns we observed." http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/press/AnomalyReport.shtml
Originally posted by JESSE
Does anyone know where can i find info about projected Climate Changes (next 10-30yrs) for the Baja Peninsula?
Gracias.
More:
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A unique 19th Century duststorm record, extending over 30 years, exists for Yuma, AZ, which lies near the edge of the Sonoran desert region of North
America. Increased duststorms can be a result of decreased precipitation if other conditions, such as ample wind speeds, sediment availability, and
lack of vegetation, are conducive. Each duststorm account (usually denoted "sandstorm") is documented with available meteorological data to determine
an estimated wind speed, direction, and cause of disturbance in addition to precipitation data. Monthly and seasonal differences in events vary due to
the variability of precipitation, which occurs during late fall to early winter or late summer to early fall.
Of interest, two persistent drought periods exist for the mid-19th Century that impacted the North American desert region, 1856-1865 and 1870-1877.
Precipitation frequency for these years was consistently below the average, and duststorm events reflect this pattern. These prolonged drought events
can be compared with the recent persistent drought record of 1998-2005.
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The ongoing drought over western North America has been concentrated in Mexico and appears to be unprecedented in the instrumental climate record for
Mexico. Drought Area Indices (DAI) computed on gridded reconstructions of the summer Palmer drought severity index (PDSI) for Mexico indicates that
the area of Mexico afflicted by drought during the current event exceeds all previous Mexican droughts since AD 1500, including the 16th century
"megadrought" which interacted with conquest, famine, and epidemic disease to result in the greatest demographic catastrophe in New World history.
The dramatic warming of surface air temperature over Mexico may be an important component of the recent aridity trend. The intense warming is
dominated by a rise in maximum daily temperature, which may be a partial consequence of land cover change in Mexico. The extensive land conversion for
human use and settlement is believed to have reduced evaporative cooling and sharply increased the sensible to latent heat flux, favoring higher daily
temperature maxima and overwhelming the potential cooling effect of increased surface albedo.
The higher temperatures and deficit rainfall during winter, spring, and early summer have translated into a summer PDSI drought over Mexico unmatched
for centuries.
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