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Are they "Santa Ana" winds or "Santana winds" ?
The term used in the USA for the hot dry winds that blow east to west during fire seasons is "Santa Ana". I suppose this names comes from either the
spanish explorer or the name of the CA mountain range.
My Mexican relatives call that same wind phenomen a "Santana"- meaning a hot devil wind. That makes much more sense to me. Most all early
Californians were mexicans and that origin seems more likely than naming the hot dry wind after a Spanish explorer or a mountain range (that may have
been named afterwards).
Any nomads have the historically correct answer?
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Which Wind ?
When I was a youngster in '50s-'60s Los Angeles, "Santana" was the term I heard most frequently from the newscasters, especially George Putnam and
(noted below) George Fischbeck.
From Wikipedia:
"Dr. George Fischbeck was a widely viewed newscaster in Southern California in the 1970s and 1980s who incorrectly called the winds the "Santana
winds", noting that they were not confined to Orange County (where Santa Ana is located), but occurred throughout Southern California. He delighted in
the symbolism of the devil's breath playing havoc with Southern California.
One account places the origin of the term Santa Ana winds with an Associated Press correspondent stationed in Santa Ana who mistakenly began using
Santa Ana winds instead of Santana winds in a 1901 dispatch".
Not the first time a Spanish Word got lost in Translation.
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This explaination is the same that I heard fifty years ago, living at the beach.
Maybe the word will go right under "Gringo" for words that have a forgotten origen.
http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~fovell/ASother/mm5/SantaAna/winds...
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whatever you call it, the north winds HOWLED yesterday at 29 palms. the desert visibility was 1/4 mile or less....
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I love Santana, the song black magic woman kicks a**.
Live Indubiously!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
whatever you call it, the north winds HOWLED yesterday at 29 palms. the desert visibility was 1/4 mile or less.... |
They're blowing like hell here today. Just came back from town and there are spots on HWY 1 that is almost zero visibility from the dust coming
across the road. Not warm like a normal Santa Ana either.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Any nomads have the historically correct answer? |
the winds were named after high winds coming out of santa ana canyon (santa ana narrows), the name stuck and got applied elsewhere. "santana" is not
satan; "satana" is satan. santa ana canyon (or narrows) is the 91 fwy area between corona and yorba linda, and not near city of santa ana
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It was like that in LA yesterday. Seems odd it would take so long to travel such a short distance. And by the way, however you spell it, we all
understand what it refers to. Usually, the higher the pressure syetem, the stronger the winds. I was surprised years ago to encounter such winds along
the Sea of Cortez in BCS in December.
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The wind is blowing like hell here in Ensenada and it's blowing on-shore. The Santana or Santa Ana winds always blow in from the east or southeast.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It was like that in LA yesterday. Seems odd it would take so long to travel such a short distance. |
With storms coming from the north, east or west, we usually see them about a day later. Same with rain.
Ironically, I was putting up rain gutters today. At least, I was before the wind picked up. I don't know why I bother unless it's some kind of
sub-concious ritual inspired by the rain dances of the past.
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Whatever the correct name/history is, an interesting note is that a native Spanish speaker will pronounce "Santa Ana" as "Santana" because of the
first word ending in an "a" and the second word beginning in an "a".
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Good point!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
The Santana or Santa Ana winds always blow in from the east or southeast. |
Maybe that's were the name difference is.
Santana from the east...
and.....
Santa Ana's from the southeast.....
or....
visa versa.
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| Quote: | With storms coming from the north, east or west, we usually see them about a day later. Same with rain.
Ironically, I was putting up rain gutters today. At least, I was before the wind picked up. I don't know why I bother unless it's some kind of
sub-concious ritual inspired by the rain dances of the past. |
I guess the fact that the climate is so similar in Southern California and Northern Baja, it never occurred to me that weather could take so long to
move through.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by castaway$
I love Santana, the song black magic woman kicks a**. |
WARNING: CONTINUING THREAD HIJACK.
Oye Como Va is better, IMHO. Here's a live version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpPb2cVswlI
And here it is being performed by the late, great Tito Puente, who wrote it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj_XxBKG53g
The Mexican band Kinky does a pretty good version of it too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTe29s0hJCo
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Carlos Santana is a Tijuanero- so the humble author of this thread will allow references to him without threat of hijack. 
[Edited on 10-28-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ecomujeres
Whatever the correct name/history is, an interesting note is that a native Spanish speaker will pronounce "Santa Ana" as "Santana" because of the
first word ending in an "a" and the second word beginning in an "a". |
yup, it could be that simple. thanks
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Carlos Santana is a Tijuanero- so the humble author of this thread will allow references to him without threat of hijack.
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Tijuana may claim him but he's from Jalisco. He lived about five years in TJ before immigrating to the States.
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My office for almost 35 years was in Anaheim hills/Yorba Linda area.
The winds were always called Santana winds by the natives.
I always enjoyed the hot dry winds..but now don't miss them..
SDM
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Ecomujeres sounds correct to me...great
Now today your ensenada snotty wind got to us down here. It started to blow pretty hard..25 knots yesterday....didnt let up all night...well...maybe a
bit...continued to honk all morning and now she's CRANKED up to 30 knots over here on the point...roofing crew took the afternoon off.
But this definately isnt a Santaaaana as it's muy frio
oh yeah, the swell is building...machine...so doesnt look good for fishing tomorrow either amigos...uh oh.
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