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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
It started to blow pretty hard..25 knots yesterday.... |
Strange...We didn't get it yesterday but, I'll bet we do tomorrow.
This stuff is useless.
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DianaT
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Lived much of my life in the San Gabriel Valley and we all called them the Santa Ana winds, and did not look forward to them. It often did and still
does mean brush fire time.
When the Santa Ana Winds are blowing, and a wild fire begins, well, there is no stopping the fire. So I have no idea of the "correct"name, but they
often mean trouble.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
we all called them the Santa Ana winds
they often mean trouble. |
That's how I came to know them as a kid in Newport. They would come through hot and furious, taking sand from the beaches and piling it in the
streets. It created work like snow removal in the east. If your car was parked in the wrong place, your paint job and windshield were ruined.
Seems the more development that took place to the east, the less severe were the winds.
"Trouble" is the word, Diana. There must be a reason for high wind but, what good is it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
"Trouble" is the word, Diana. There must be a reason for high wind but, what good is it. |
A great way to make electricity.........you should be able to turn out the kilowatts at your place, Dennis
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dean miller
My office for almost 35 years was in Anaheim hills/Yorba Linda area.
The winds were always called Santana winds by the natives.
I always enjoyed the hot dry winds..but now don't miss them..
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Yorba Linda natives?
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Carlos Santana is a Tijuanero- so the humble author of this thread will allow references to him without threat of hijack. 
[Edited on 10-28-2009 by Woooosh] |
Good thing; could've started a war.
I LOVE Carlos S A N T A N A ! 
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Gypsy Jan
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Growing Up in Orange County
They were always called "santana winds", lower case.
Here is a quote from an article on the subject:
"Q. Where did the name for the Santa Ana winds come from?
A. Sources vary. The most common explanation has the wind being named for the Santa Ana Canyon in Southern California's Orange County, which discounts
its rather more regional scope and impact. However, alternative explanations are much more dubious. It is often claimed that "Santa Ana" is a
corrupted version of "Santana" which is purported to mean "devil" in Spanish or an Indian language. Yet, the Spanish word for devil is "diablo" and
its Satan is "Satana", conspicuously missing an extra "n". The Indian language in which "Santana" means devil has not yet been identified. I am not a
linguist, but I suggest it is more likely for a term like "Santana" to have evolved from "Santa Ana" than vice-versa (think "San Francisco" becoming
"Frisco" or "New Orleans" devolving into "N'orleans"). References to Mexican General Santa Anna have also been made. All I'm fairly sure of it's not
likely named after the feast day of Santa Ana in the Catholic calendar as that falls in July, outside of Santa Ana season.
In early 2008, I decided to take a look through the archives of the Los Angeles Times to see how often terms like "Santa Ana" and "santana" appeared
in its pages.
Q. What other nicknames has the Santa Ana earned?
A. Santa Ana winds occupy an important place in Southern California literature. In Raymond Chandler's stories, which were set in Los Angeles, Santa
Anas appear by name and also by nicknames such as "devil wind" and "red wind". The winds also figure in Joan Didion's and Michael Connelly's works.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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Gypsy Jan
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From the Treebeard Stumper Website
"When I was a surfer kid growing up in Santa Monica, I'm sure we called them santana winds, and "Santa Ana" was just the media name on TV. The winds
meant wild offshore winds to hold the waves up for surfing. (See the Surfline Santa Ana page.) That name gave an extra kick to the band Santana who
played "Black Magic Woman", and I always assumed the band name was adopted. I'm wrong! Guitar master Carlos Santana was born with that name. En
Español, I think "santana" is Saint Anne, mother of Mary and grandmother of Jesus. The devil is "satana". (I think this site is right about the name
but wrong about the meaning.) Now I'm confused. Where does the old name come from? Other historical Santanas include the Mexican general who led the
attack on the Alamo, and the Mescalero Apache war chief (photo right). Could there be a connection between these warriors and the winds in the old
californio culture that came before the city of Santa Ana ever existed? "
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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BajaDanD
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I grew up in So. Cal we always called them Santa Ana winds. I dont remember anyone ever calling them Santana winds.
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David K
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With a total of 3 years exception, I lived my entire live in San Diego County. The correct term is 'Santa Ana Winds'... anything else is just a slip
of the tongue... like 'san-ta-na'. It happen when a high pressure is over the Four Corners region (see Pompano' post on the 4 Corners) and a low
pressure is out in the Pacific, off Baja.
Air moves from high pressure to low pressure, and is heated from compression (not becuse it comes from the desert)... It is warmest on the coast.
Today's event was not a true 'Santa Ana'... as the wind was coming from the north and from the ocean, later in the day. It was also COLDER than
normal, not warmer. I work outside and was in Solana Beach today and experienced it first hand!
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Don Alley
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I also grew up in LA, and in the fifties and early sixties I always heard them called Santa Ana winds. The first time I heard "Santana" it was the
band, and I didn't connect the name with any wind. But I do remember after the band became popular people calling the wind the Santana Wind, and I
thought it sounded silly.
So, as far as I can tell, these winds are called the Santa Ana winds by some, after the Santa Ana Canyon, or, by others, the Santana Winds, after a
band and guitarist.
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Paula
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My votes go to ecomujeres and DanO
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David K
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That's funny, Don Jorge...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
With a total of 3 years exception, I lived my entire live in San Diego County. The correct term is 'Santa Ana Winds'... anything else is just a slip
of the tongue... like 'san-ta-na'. It happen when a high pressure is over the Four Corners region (see Pompano' post on the 4 Corners) and a low
pressure is out in the Pacific, off Baja.
Air moves from high pressure to low pressure, and is heated from compression (not becuse it comes from the desert)... It is warmest on the coast.
Today's event was not a true 'Santa Ana'... as the wind was coming from the north and from the ocean, later in the day. It was also COLDER than
normal, not warmer. I work outside and was in Solana Beach today and experienced it first hand! |
actually, santa ana is a katabatic wind, and only truly occurs when air in mojave desert is colder than air on west side of mountains
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan, ... I suggest it is more likely for a term like "Santana" to have evolved from "Santa Ana" than vice-versa
(think "San Francisco" becoming "Frisco" or "New Orleans" devolving into "N'orleans"). |
Not to hijack my own thread but... Frisco wasn't meant to be San Francisco. In the 1800 gold rush days the railroad system ended before the
continental divide in Colorado at a town called Frisco. That was the end of the rail line at the time. Heading west to Frisco was going to the end of
the tracks in Colorado. No one is San Francisco calls their city Frisco. "San Fran" and "The City"- yes... "Frisco" is used only by tourists. Of
course I could just be dead wrong again...
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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I grew up in LA and in the 50s and 60s I never heard anything other than "Santana" winds. Not sure when that started changing to "Santa Ana" winds
but it definitely started as Santana (devil) winds.
carpe diem!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
I grew up in LA and in the 50s and 60s I never heard anything other than "Santana" winds. Not sure when that started changing to "Santa Ana" winds
but it definitely started as Santana (devil) winds. |
Again, where I came from, they were called Santa Anas in the 50s.
I think what we've come to is a stand-off on this issue.
[Edited on 10-29-2009 by DENNIS]
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Born in Pasadena 51 years ago lived in Alhambra for 20 years moved to Huntington Beach for 13 years (end of the Santa Ana river nearby) then to Laguna
for a few and now in San Diego for the last 13. I have always known the hot dry winds as Santa Ana winds. We referred to them as 'devil winds' because
of the way they affected some peoples behavior in a strange way. When they started to blow we would head for the beach because we knew the surf would
be good all day.
As for Santana he has been my favorite artist since the first time I heard him at the tender age of 11 years old thanks to my older brother and
sister. He has been responsible for a lot of great music for three plus decades and has hardly slowed down. My top ten greatest live shows have been
nine of his and a Bruce Springsteen Born in the USA show. Listen to a live recording of Baila Mi Hermana and you get a taste of what it was like live
with the percussion section and horns and Carlos all playing full speed ahead. The last 1:40 of Black Magic Woman/Gypsy Queen is an explosion of
rhythm and percussion. Some of my favorite tunes are his instrumental stuff, Samba Pa Ti, Aqua Marine, Europa to name a few. Who amongst us can not
relate to Evil Ways? That was the anthem for a few of my relationships way back when. Carlos has played with and for more artisits than anyone else I
can think of. He was making 'world music' before there was 'world music'.
Viva Carlos Santana!
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Don't forget this reference by Steely Dan. You musicologists may remember in the song Babylon Sister. "Here come those Santa Ana winds again".
Another line was "So fine so young, tell me I'm the only one".
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elgatoloco--I was born in Pasadena 51 years ago too (Huntington Hosp.), and lived in SoCal for all but the last 3...
I've heard both used but the generally accepted usage is Santa Ana named after the canyon--and the wind does howl down it!
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