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norte
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Shoot I thought this thread was related to the Marijuana post.
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Pescador
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The fish shown by Don Alley is a Bull's Eye Puffer fish and is very poisonous if not cleaned correctly. The Mexican like this fish a lot but it has
to be cleaned exactly as reported because if you puncture the liver or other internal organs is very toxic and deadly. I have caught them up to 8 or
9 pounds so there is a lot of meat there but I have always had a Mexican friend clean them and eat the first batch.
If they die and wash up on the beach they are usually contaminated with the poison and dogs as well as other predators die very quickly when
consuming the meat, if tainted.
They are called Botete by the mexicans.
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Must be why the gulls leave them alone
we have a lot of them on the beaches here. Pain for surf fishing since I haven't tried to eat them yet.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
To my knowledge the dangerous "fugu" fish is the one shown in Don Alley's post. I have never heard anyone say that the porcupine fish in gnukid's
post is toxic/dangerous although I can't imagine anyone would eat one. Speaking of dangerous fish, parrotfish commonly carry ciguatera but are often
eaten. Like most grazers their flesh is delicious (think lobster) but it comes with a risk. |
Are there any fish in the Sea of Cortez that carry Ciguatera? I talked to some people in the Bahamas who have had it and it can be very nasty.
But, I haven't heard of anyone in Baja having had it. If so, which fish should you avoid?
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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Stubbed my toe on one of them at night in Enenada Blanca once...hurt like heck for an hour, wasn't pleasant.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grace59
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
To my knowledge the dangerous "fugu" fish is the one shown in Don Alley's post. I have never heard anyone say that the porcupine fish in gnukid's
post is toxic/dangerous although I can't imagine anyone would eat one. Speaking of dangerous fish, parrotfish commonly carry ciguatera but are often
eaten. Like most grazers their flesh is delicious (think lobster) but it comes with a risk. |
Are there any fish in the Sea of Cortez that carry Ciguatera? I talked to some people in the Bahamas who have had it and it can be very nasty.
But, I haven't heard of anyone in Baja having had it. If so, which fish should you avoid? |
grace59
Parrotfish are known to carry ciguatera and there are lots of parrotfish in the Sea of Cortez, but I too have never heard of anyone in Baja
contracting ciguatera.
carpe diem!
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
How could anyone eat something so cute?
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... and they're so fun. They sleep at night and scuba divers can come right up and pet 'em!
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this year, some campers in san roque unfortunately had to bury their dog there as it probaby ate a dead pufferfish on the beach...the healthy dog got
very sick and died the same day so watch your dog carefully....puffers are everywhere.
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Let eliminate I think, I suppose, I belive...
There is a two volume book "Poisonous and venomous Marine Animals of the world" by Dr Bruce Halstead, LCCC 65-60000 published by the US Government
printing office. Volume 1 is 994 Pages, Volume 11 consists of 1070 pages and completing the set volume 111 consists of 1006 8 -1/2 X 11 well
illustrated pages (3070 pages) It has been recognized since it's publication over 40 years ago as the definitive base line work on dangerous marine
life.
It's original publication price was $160.00 hard earned Yankee dollars. Some years ago a beat up well used research set sold for $750.00 on E bay, so
I suspect that most do not have or have never seen or possibly heard of the set.
Yes I have a set -- Inscribed to me by Dr Halstead
Now on to Fugu...
Volume number two devotes pages 680 to 902 (222 pages -but who is counting? ) to the world wide distribution, preparation, consumption toxic effects
and treatment puffers.
On page 732 Dr. Halstead identifies the relative toxicity of the anatomy of the puffer as follows;
Ovary...Most poisonous
Liver ...Most poisonous
Stomach...a close third
Skin...toxic except in the "tarofugu" (?)
Blood...Innocuous
Kidney...Poisonous
Sub cutaneous tissues...Poisonous
Eye Balls...poisonous
Fins ...Toxic in most except the Tarofugu
Parasites --said to be non toxic but should not be consumed.
Hope this clarifies Fugu
<<Pescador -- Appreciate your knowledgeable comment on Fugu.....Really miss the times and wonderful discussion we had for so many wonderful
years with you and your dear departed wife SDM>>
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David A.
I have heard that if some or certain internal organs are eaten, the dog will expire within 90 mins. Paulina can verify this. |
David,
I think between the four of us, the beach between our place and Camp Gecko should be the most puffer free beach in baja.
I've posted the story before, but our bullmastiff Rosie ate one whole, in one big swallow. (she was a pig in disguise) She started acting wierd, threw
it back up and slept for three days.
Our neighbor had a visitor arrive, her Welsh Corgy jumped out of the car, ran to the beach, ate a puffer in the same time it took for everyone to
greet each other. She died within hours.
I am very concerned about our pup as he is the king of collecting dead crabs and bird parts on the sly. It's going to be a tough job keeping an
eyeball on him this holiday.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
How could anyone eat something so cute?
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They really are adorable...but I get annoyed with divers who insist on catching them and making them inflate...not good for the fish...not very
sporting for the diver.
As for questions about ciguatera poisoning...I think the reason it is common in the caribbean and south pacific is that it is caused by an algae that
grows on dying hard corals. Since there aren't any (to speak of) hard corals in the SOC, I'm guessing that's why you don't hear about it in Baja.
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
They really are adorable...but I get annoyed with divers who insist on catching them and making them inflate...not good for the fish...not very
sporting for the diver.
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Divers are in a unique position to educate themselves, other divers and the general public about the underwater world. We know a bit about what's down
there and should strive to protect and respect it. Perhaps our basic diver training certification class should teach a unit on the ethics of diving
and marine conservation.
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
They really are adorable...but I get annoyed with divers who insist on catching them and making them inflate...not good for the fish...not very
sporting for the diver.
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Divers are in a unique position to educate themselves, other divers and the general public about the underwater world. We know a bit about what's down
there and should strive to protect and respect it. Perhaps our basic diver training certification class should teach a unit on the ethics of diving
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You're absolutely right on there!
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My friend swears his son got Ciguatera from reef fish around Mulege in the 1990s. He was sick for a month.
Puffers always follow me when I go snorkeling-I guess as long as I don't eat them I'll be fine.
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I confess that when I started diving (40 years ago) I caught and annoyed a few porcupine fish and caused them to inflate. I did it because I saw
others do it - it was somehow fashionable. People did it, I think, because they could. But after watching the apparent agony they go through when
they deflate (has anybody here ever seen that?) I stopped and have never done it again (note the slim, stylish profile in the one I posted  ). Inflation is a defense mechanism designed to prevent the animal from being eaten.
One can only imagine the stress produced in the whole process. I encourage divers to NEVER harass these interesting animals.
[Edited on 12-16-2009 by Ken Bondy]
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"but I have always had a Mexican friend clean them and eat the first batch.
If they die and wash up on the beach they are usually contaminated with the poison and dogs as well as other predators die very quickly when consuming
the meat, if tainted."
Jim - if who dies??!!..... the Mexican food taster or the fish?
wow...shades of King Arthur's court and times.
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Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
They really are adorable...but I get annoyed with divers who insist on catching them and making them inflate...not good for the fish...not very
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elizabeth, I just want to make it VERY clear that the porcupine fish in the photo I posted was NOT inflated, touched, or molested in any way (other
than a little temporary blinding by the strobes ). They are fairly curious
little fish and will approach a diver very closely if you do not make any threatening moves.
[Edited on 12-16-2009 by Ken Bondy]
carpe diem!
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
They really are adorable...but I get annoyed with divers who insist on catching them and making them inflate...not good for the fish...not very
sporting for the diver.
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elizabeth, I just want to make it VERY clear that the porcupine fish in the photo I posted was NOT inflated, touched, or molested in any way (other
than a little temporary blinding by the strobes ). They are fairly curious
little fish and will approach a diver very closely if you do not make any threatening moves.
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Nor have I harmed any marine life while diving, unless unwittingly. I used to gather trash while I dived but realized that little critters quickly
adopt cans bottles and such for habitation. Now I gather only what is newly deposited and clearly not somebody's new house.
We can bring the same ethics to our underwater life as we do to our topside living. I try to live neutrally buoyant, choose to be overweighted
sometimes but I've found I can compensate with a little trim.
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One solution is a soft muzzle for off-leash times before you can teach them to avoid dead fish.
A buddy of mine used the firecracker in the dead fish trick a number of times to teach his dogs to stay clear.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
| Quote: | Originally posted by elizabeth
They really are adorable...but I get annoyed with divers who insist on catching them and making them inflate...not good for the fish...not very
sporting for the diver.
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elizabeth, I just want to make it VERY clear that the porcupine fish in the photo I posted was NOT inflated, touched, or molested in any way (other
than a little temporary blinding by the strobes ). They are fairly curious
little fish and will approach a diver very closely if you do not make any threatening moves.
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It was obvious that your fish was not molested...and yes, I know they can be very curious...I've seen the same view as your photo through my
mask...I've had them follow me on a dive...and they even, in the shallows on the beach on Coronado, swam around my grandson's ankles while he held
very still! I love seeing them, they have such a sweet comical look!
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