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Bajahowodd
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"Closing speeds of 100 mph or more, a foot or two separation between oncoming vehicles, no shoulders, "
And that's on the mountainous sections!
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LancairDriver
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If this stupidity continues, an 18 wheeler will eventually get tired of it and take care of it. Their safety and living are being compromised.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Edit: Edit Comment and GIF!
The times that I have traveled Mex-1 I have seen bicyclists three times with saddle bags on the back of their bikes with no chase vehicle. I have
always given them a wide distance between us when I pass them and never thought ill of them. This GIF in no way reflects what I think should happen to
them, or the "Chivo De Satanás" but it sure could happen! Be careful out there people! I do not condone hit and run either! Thank you!
[Edited on 1-12-2010 by ELINVESTI8]
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BajaNuts
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I had a scary experience just a couple months ago here in rural eastern WA.
I was driving the big-rig 1-ton work truck with the normal side mirrors.
I come around a bend are here are two cyclists! There are 2' shoulders, plenty of room to ride single file with safety...........but these two
a-holes have to ride side by side!!!!!!!!!!
That put one of the riders in the vehicle lane of the highway when there was plenty of room outside of the fogline for a biker to ride single file!
And to top it all off,.......THERE'S A CAR COMING! So I have no-where to go!
Do you biker's understand "momentum" and things like "fully loaded work truck"???? I'm hitting the horn, braking, swerving, whatever I can
do............
and I got home. and they got home......this time,,,,,,,,,,,,,
and I was REALLY TICKED OFF...that those stupid bikers chose to ride in the vehicle lane when there was ample room outside the fog line!
And I know they were locals because they did not have any "baggage". No saddlebags, trailers, or anything. Just stoopid people out for a toodle on a
dangerous stretch of highway riding side by side.
Don't get me wrong! I'm not gunning for bikers! But I think cyclists are stupid to believe that other motorists will automatically YIELD at the
presence of a bike.
Who do you think will win??? Cyclist or drunk 18-wheeler driver?
The cyclist may have been right as he rode along- in the middle of the lane with a kiddie-tandem behind him-----
but he's still as dead, and the little one is dead also....
I feel like the bikers were lucky that it was I that was behind the wheel and looking out for hazards
like........deer.........kids............BIKERS.........ice...........and not some other hack just trying to collect the paycheck.
There's a poem I heard a long time ago, think back to driver's ed, and although I don't have it quite right, here's how it goes_
This is the story of Mr. Wright
who died defending his Right-of-way,
He may have been WRight, as he sped along,
but he's still as dead as if he were wrong.
Yea, they may have a RIGHT to the highway,
but who in their right mind would trust that all the other drivers would respect that...........and furthermore.........why would you EVER entrust the
lives of you CHILDREN to the (cerebral) understanding that vehicles are to "share the road"..........................................let alone share
the road on MX1?!?!?!???
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fixtrauma
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[Yea, they may have a RIGHT to the highway,
but who in their right mind would trust that all the other drivers would respect that...........and furthermore.........why would you EVER entrust the
lives of you CHILDREN to the (cerebral) understanding that vehicles are to "share the road"..........................................let alone share
the road on MX1?!?!?!???]
Well put BajaNuts
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNuts
I had a scary experience just a couple months ago here in rural eastern WA.
I was driving the big-rig 1-ton work truck with the normal side mirrors.
I come around a bend are here are two cyclists! There are 2' shoulders, plenty of room to ride single file with safety...........but these two
a-holes have to ride side by side!!!!!!!!!!
That put one of the riders in the vehicle lane of the highway when there was plenty of room outside of the fogline for a biker to ride single file!
And to top it all off,.......THERE'S A CAR COMING! So I have no-where to go!
Do you biker's understand "momentum" and things like "fully loaded work truck"???? I'm hitting the horn, braking, swerving, whatever I can
do............
and I got home. and they got home......this time,,,,,,,,,,,,,
and I was REALLY TICKED OFF...that those stupid bikers chose to ride in the vehicle lane when there was ample room outside the fog line!
And I know they were locals because they did not have any "baggage". No saddlebags, trailers, or anything. Just stoopid people out for a toodle on a
dangerous stretch of highway riding side by side.
Don't get me wrong! I'm not gunning for bikers! But I think cyclists are stupid to believe that other motorists will automatically YIELD at the
presence of a bike.
Who do you think will win??? Cyclist or drunk 18-wheeler driver?
The cyclist may have been right as he rode along- in the middle of the lane with a kiddie-tandem behind him-----
but he's still as dead, and the little one is dead also....
I feel like the bikers were lucky that it was I that was behind the wheel and looking out for hazards
like........deer.........kids............BIKERS.........ice...........and not some other hack just trying to collect the paycheck.
There's a poem I heard a long time ago, think back to driver's ed, and although I don't have it quite right, here's how it goes_
This is the story of Mr. Wright
who died defending his Right-of-way,
He may have been WRight, as he sped along,
but he's still as dead as if he were wrong.
Yea, they may have a RIGHT to the highway,
but who in their right mind would trust that all the other drivers would respect that...........and furthermore.........why would you EVER entrust the
lives of you CHILDREN to the (cerebral) understanding that vehicles are to "share the road"..........................................let alone share
the road on MX1?!?!?!???
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I agree with this completely. And I am happy you were able to avoid them. They were lucky...and stupid!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fixtrauma
they may have a RIGHT to the highway,
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Like I have a RIGHT to walk through Watts with a sheet over my head. RIGHTS have their limitations and require discretionary interpretation.
I'll keep the sheet on but, I'll walk through Malibu instead.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Like I have a RIGHT to walk through Watts with a sheet over my head. RIGHTS have their limitations and require discretionary interpretation.
I'll keep the sheet on but, I'll walk through Malibu instead.
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dennis,
i never took you for a racists type. so sad, i used to be amused at your antics, now i need to question your antics
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Like I have a RIGHT to walk through Watts with a sheet over my head. RIGHTS have their limitations and require discretionary interpretation.
I'll keep the sheet on but, I'll walk through Malibu instead.
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dennis,
i never took you for a racists type. so sad, i used to be amused at your antics, now i need to question your antics |
MTGOAT666 YOU NEED THIS AGAIN!
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DENNIS
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It's Sunday morning, Goatbladder. Why don't you try to see the light side of things for a change.
Did you notice
this thing in my post? Do you have any idea what the connotation might be?
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Ron_Perry
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My two cents. I haven't heard from anyone claiming to be an avid cyclist. I have been mt. biking and road riding for over 30 years and have belonged
to several cycling clubs.
First off, riding two abreast when one rider is outside a marked bike lane is a no-no, plain and simple....It's a rule stated with all bike
clubs. Does it happen? Hell yes, with burro, selfcentered riders. I cringe when I see it, and it puts all cyclist in a undesirable light.
A car blocking for cyclist? WTF? Never heard of it, nor seen it in the states. IT HAS TO BE ILLEGAL IN THE US! Only in Mexico, maybe where they
feel they can get away with it. That is BS, and once again, hurts the rest of us who ride within the law.
Towing your kids in a bicycle cart down highway 1 in Baja? Right off the top, I cannot think of anything more dangerous to a couple of kids. I
have done a ton of touring by bike in Europe, Canada, and the US. ...Baja highway 1 has no interest for me, it is too narrow.
But cycling down highway 1 is not against the law. So let me ask all those who feel cyclist should not ride this highway a hypothetical question.
Visualize the most dangerous and blind curve in all of Baja. Stalled on this turn, just out of site, is a soon to be discarded Baja junker, taking up
the lane you are in. A few family member are just getting out of the car. YOU are pulling 20 fiberglass boat. An 18 wheeler is coming from the
opposite direction. CAN YOU STOP IN TIME? Why not? Driving too fast?
In a real life situation, from Ensenada to La Paz, I may pass a couple of cyclist a trip. At worst, I may lose a few minutes waiting for a place
to pass. Or on a straight, uncrowded stretch, I may not skip a beat. I spend more time stopping to take a pee, and smelling the desert.
Please, do not let the small percentage of burroes put a bulleyes on my back when I ride. There is a burro in every sport, hobby, and pursuit.
Boater, hunters, water skiers, offroaders, mt. climbers, ALL others who, one way or another, put others at risk.
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Sharksbaja
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Finally!.....
..... a valid response from an avid hiway cyclist. Thank you for weighing in without repose.
I agree with your complete statement and only wish more would adhere to your parameters.
It could maybe influence aforementioned idiots into a safer environment for the children at least, not to mention the general traffic.
Seriously, I don't think these adventurists do their homework correctly. Is the road and related hazards a part of the planning and itinerary?
I digress! Bullcaca! These "trips" are well thunk out by OCD cyclists. Their only goal is to conquer that goal. Right there with Everest summiters,
they are so goal oriented and have disregard for hazards.
Anyhoo dude, keep safe.
[Edited on 1-11-2010 by Sharksbaja]
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
..... a valid response from an avid hiway cyclist. Thank you for weighing in without repose.
I agree with your complete statement and only wish more would adhere to your parameters.
It could maybe influence aforementioned idiots into a safer environment for the children at least, not to mention the general traffic.
Seriously, I don't think these adventurists do their homework correctly. Is the road and related hazards a part of the planning and itinerary?
I digress! Bullcaca! These "trips" are well thunk out by OCD cyclists. Their only goal is to conquer that goal. Right there with Everest summiters,
they are so goal oriented and have disregard for hazards.
Anyhoo dude, keep safe.
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A very balanced approach... I however still have a hard time equating a "bicycle" with a vehicle
Delivered the Los Angeles Examiner for 6 years when growing up, and the first thing I learned was a car will kill me!!!
And my routes, delivery and collections were based on that simple fact.. watch out for CARS.. they are bigger and faster.. no matter what is legal!!!
I agree with the statement about driving too fast... most everyone is in too big a rush..and at those speeds proper emergency action can not be
taken...
We drive the old road and the toll road a bit.. and find that most are driving way over the posted speed limit on roads not designed for these
speeds.. and watching folks "blow" stop signs is, well just unbelievable .... and just reinforces our mind set to drive super defensively ...
I read the story of that bus that went off the road, due to poor brakes... and that 80% of all accidents in MX are due to poor maintenance of the
vehicle ...
I had not taken into account, that the "vehicles" which are going to fast, will also have mechanical defects: steering, brakes.. and others
Has put another thing into my memory bank while riding in or driving a car in Mexico thanks 
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by fixtrauma
they may have a RIGHT to the highway,
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Like I have a RIGHT to walk through Watts with a sheet over my head. RIGHTS have their limitations and require discretionary interpretation.
I'll keep the sheet on but, I'll walk through Malibu instead.
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Naw, Malibu would be a bad idea. There they might think you were homeless with the sheet around you and you would be arrested. Places like Malibu
don't have homeless people. 
Point well made, Dennis. Besides discretionary interpretation, rights have, or should have consequences. My son is a mountain climber and I argue
with him all the time about how stupid it is for climbers to climb some mountains in the dead of winter and then rescuers have to risk their lives to
save them.
But for riding a bike down Baja---please don't take the kids.
[Edited on 1-11-2010 by DianaT]
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Baja12valve
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ron_Perry
My two cents. I haven't heard from anyone claiming to be an avid cyclist. I have been mt. biking and road riding for over 30 years and have belonged
to several cycling clubs.
First off, riding two abreast when one rider is outside a marked bike lane is a no-no, plain and simple....It's a rule stated with all bike
clubs. Does it happen? Hell yes, with burro, selfcentered riders. I cringe when I see it, and it puts all cyclist in a undesirable light.
A car blocking for cyclist? WTF? Never heard of it, nor seen it in the states. IT HAS TO BE ILLEGAL IN THE US! Only in Mexico, maybe where they
feel they can get away with it. That is BS, and once again, hurts the rest of us who ride within the law.
Towing your kids in a bicycle cart down highway 1 in Baja? Right off the top, I cannot think of anything more dangerous to a couple of kids. I
have done a ton of touring by bike in Europe, Canada, and the US. ...Baja highway 1 has no interest for me, it is too narrow.
But cycling down highway 1 is not against the law. So let me ask all those who feel cyclist should not ride this highway a hypothetical question.
Visualize the most dangerous and blind curve in all of Baja. Stalled on this turn, just out of site, is a soon to be discarded Baja junker, taking up
the lane you are in. A few family member are just getting out of the car. YOU are pulling 20 fiberglass boat. An 18 wheeler is coming from the
opposite direction. CAN YOU STOP IN TIME? Why not? Driving too fast?
In a real life situation, from Ensenada to La Paz, I may pass a couple of cyclist a trip. At worst, I may lose a few minutes waiting for a place
to pass. Or on a straight, uncrowded stretch, I may not skip a beat. I spend more time stopping to take a pee, and smelling the desert.
Please, do not let the small percentage of burroes put a bulleyes on my back when I ride. There is a burro in every sport, hobby, and pursuit.
Boater, hunters, water skiers, offroaders, mt. climbers, ALL others who, one way or another, put others at risk. |
Another avid cyclist with 30 years or riding here, reading this thread for the first time.
Ron_ Perry, you have it 110% right in all aspects, I could have not said it better, thank you. The only item left out is that there are some who
think that bikes should not be on the road no matter what and they take their wrong thinking out on the bicyclist. Bikes are legal on roads, but like
some drivers, they can be jerks.
For all of those who think running over a bicyclist is OK because of their dumbass riding, no matter what the person is doing, is it worth killing,
maiming or injuring another person over that?
I recently met a bicycle tourist who went into Baja. He turned around, shaken to the core. Cars and trucks were part of the problem, but he said the
dogs were the worst. Unfortunately I talked to him after his experience otherwise I would have strongly advised him against it. Mex 1 is one road that
is not for a bicycle.
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Baja12valve
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
Point well made, Dennis. Besides discretionary interpretation, rights have, or should have consequences. My son is a mountain climber and I argue
with him all the time about how stupid it is for climbers to climb some mountains in the dead of winter and then rescuers have to risk their lives to
save them.
As a member of SAR, I have gone into the mountains to rescue others. 80% of the time the people are experienced, they just had bad luck, something
went wrong. 20% of the time we are interfering with natural selection. Sorry about this, but the Boy Scouts are the worst.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja12valve
For all of those who think running over a bicyclist is OK because of their dumbass riding, no matter what the person is doing, is it worth killing,
maiming or injuring another person over that?
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Hyperbole can be a big part of discussions on the board. Nobody has seriously suggested that as a real solution to the problem. It's just fantasy
payback....blowing off steam, so to speak.
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Bajaboy
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Some call it hyperbole, I call it poor taste. There are too many whack jobs out there to go around making such suggestions.
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja12valve
For all of those who think running over a bicyclist is OK because of their dumbass riding, no matter what the person is doing, is it worth killing,
maiming or injuring another person over that?
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Hyperbole can be a big part of discussions on the board. Nobody has seriously suggested that as a real solution to the problem. It's just fantasy
payback....blowing off steam, so to speak. |
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Baja12valve,
Having done Mex 1 a time or two on a motorcycle, I agree that dogs can be a problem.
Agree with your post, to want to run over a bicyclist is extreme. I have cussed at a few though. Mex 1 is no place for bicycles especially with kids
in trailers.
Regarding support/blocker cars behind a group of bicycles not occuring in the United States, wrong. I have seen that many times outside of big
cities. Bicycle races occur on public roads that can't always get shut down. Bicycle teams practice on roads and have support vehicles trailing the
group as well. Those in San Diego are familar with S2 that goes through Borrego to Ocotillo, is it used as a Bicycle course several times each year
and is not shut down.
Ken
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pacside
we happened upon a long line of cars going real slow. We thought it was an accident or a super slow truck. After awhile when it was our turn to pass
we saw what was causing the slowdown. It was two bicyclists riding side by side with a vehicle riding behind them providing protection, in essence
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This is from the first post in the thread. The problem wasn't primarily the cyclists, it was the car blocking traffic.
To me, it remains the core of the issue.
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