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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
You saying one can get a fideicomiso on a tourist visa? |
I did, though I applied for an FM3 before I moved here. My FMT number is actually included in the fideicomiso document.
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Ditto....bought first property in 1999 while here on an FMT, moved down in 2000 on FM3 issued at Mexican Consulate in Portland. Sold that casa in
2005 & no longer have fideicomiso for it, so can't say whether FMT # was documented in the fideicomiso....or not. IF FM3 is firm
legal requirement for land purchase, it's obviously viewed in the same light as STOP signs....merely a "suggestion"!
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OK, Kate and Legs. You both did become legal residents or citizens thereafter. I just wonder the consequences long term, if one buys property or a
home, and continues to enter on the tourist visa? Looking at the proposed new visa program, anyone living full time would be illegal after 6 months.
So, let's say someone crosses the border after the new visa is expired, and then comes back illegally since they cannot renew it in the same year,
they could probably avoid detection, as requests to produce the document are very spotty. But let's say you're living illegally in La Paz, and there
is an emergency that requires you to fly back to the states. wouldn't the airline refuse to board you? Also, I thought I read on this forum that one
cannot open a bank account in Mexico on a FM-T. If that is correct, it makes little sense to me that the same bank that will initiate a trust for real
estate would refuse to open a savings or checking account. Or am I all wet?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
... Also, I thought I read on this forum that one cannot open a bank account in Mexico on a FM-T. If that is correct, it makes little sense to me that
the same bank that will initiate a trust for real estate would refuse to open a savings or checking account. Or am I all wet? |
When we opened a bank account six or seven years ago, we were told that, yes, we needed an FM3 to open an account. We were opening the account because
Immigration said we needed the account to get an FM3.
The bank manager said that faced with this Catch22, the bank chose to be "flexible," and allowed us to open a peso account.
I'm not sure, but I think I got my Fidi a few weeks before my FM3. Hard to say because the date on my original FM3 was based not on when I applied,
but on the date of the previous FMT.
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Bajahowodd
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Geez. It's like showing up at Baja Cactus at dusk without a reservation. Maybe. Maybe not.
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longlegsinlapaz
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I had my fideicojmiso by the time I opened a local bank account back in the stone ages. Actually don't remember what was required back then, but I
can tell you that now for proof of who I am to cash check in bank, they ALWAYS opt to write my passport # on the back of my check
when presented with both FM3 & passport to choose between.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
I had my fideicojmiso by the time I opened a local bank account back in the stone ages. Actually don't remember what was required back then, but I
can tell you that now for proof of who I am to cash check in bank, they ALWAYS opt to write my passport # on the back of my check
when presented with both FM3 & passport to choose between. |
Could that be a commentary on the faith they have in their own system??
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
OK, Kate and Legs. You both did become legal residents or citizens thereafter. I just wonder the consequences long term, if one buys property or a
home, and continues to enter on the tourist visa? Looking at the proposed new visa program, anyone living full time would be illegal after 6 months.
So, let's say someone crosses the border after the new visa is expired, and then comes back illegally since they cannot renew it in the same year,
they could probably avoid detection, as requests to produce the document are very spotty. But let's say you're living illegally in La Paz, and there
is an emergency that requires you to fly back to the states. wouldn't the airline refuse to board you? Also, I thought I read on this forum that one
cannot open a bank account in Mexico on a FM-T. If that is correct, it makes little sense to me that the same bank that will initiate a trust for real
estate would refuse to open a savings or checking account. Or am I all wet? |
Did you by chance used to write for Rod Serling??
From MY vantage point, you're....Uhhhhh....Ummmm....ALL WET! HOdd, you gotta be talking to one of the straight arrowest
people you've never met! How/Why you could believe that I would have personal experience or knowledge of any individual illegality in that long list
of illegal scenarios you spewed out is totally beyond me! My head is spinning from just reading all that....NO WAY would I
ever LIVE MY LIFE in that manner!!! I've heard rumors that if you wikipedia "straight arrow", there's a pic of me there....but I never bothered to
verify that!
I personally am living in La Paz LEGALLY (I can vouch for the fact that Morgaine7 is as well) & unless the IRS sends me an
engraved invitation to join them for a friendly little chat about how I completed the friggin 55+ pages of 3520 & 3520-A forms for my fideicomisos
I sent them for the required time span, then I can't imagine anything my immediate presence would be required for in the USA.
I'll let Morgaine7 speak for herself, but IMO, she could very well come back with "Ditto"....or "What she said!" & I'd back her up on it!
Life is much easier to get through if you follow the rules rather than give yourself a headache by coming up with all the other possibilities! There
probably ARE people out there with actual experience in one or more of those possibilities you dreamed up, but neither Morgaine7 nor myself resemble
them!
And yes....I take stop signs at their face value! So please don't tailgate me!
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It seems to me there would be advantages to this new FMM, if it comes to pass. Since it would be good for 180 days in a 365-day period, one would only
have to buy one FMM per year. Then you could come and go as you wanted and stay in country for up to 180 days. Under the current FMT system with a
maximum 180 duration, one would have to buy at least two FMT's per year to be able to go any time during the year.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Its quite obvious this new visa is a key implementation of control with historical parallels to fascist policies of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and
Napoleon designed to both allow migration and to control it at the same time, both legal and illegal. Before anyone jumps to the conclusion this is a
great new thing, consider what it means to you to have a migration document that tracks everything about you and makes that universal data model
available to share data inter departmental such as social service to dmv to irs et... to foreign governments. Your data could and likely will be
hacked and you will lose a tremendous amount of privacy in addition to losing ownership of your personal data.
Read up on it, look into it and refuse it, there is much to know about this rapid deployment, along with technology like body scans which will be
attached to your brand new visa and this data you will no longer own, it will be used against you in ways so evil you can only imagine.
It doens't take a big effort to look back at what took place as the wonderland of Germany moved rapidly toward fascist control funded by the same
groups that are funding this plan. They are one and the same. Know your history. Understand that you have the right to refuse to give up your personal
privacy.
Be very wary of those here who promote the plan.
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Oy gevault!
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
OK, Kate and Legs. You both did become legal residents or citizens thereafter. I just wonder the consequences long term, if one buys property or a
home, and continues to enter on the tourist visa? Looking at the proposed new visa program, anyone living full time would be illegal after 6 months.
So, let's say someone crosses the border after the new visa is expired, and then comes back illegally since they cannot renew it in the same year,
they could probably avoid detection, as requests to produce the document are very spotty. But let's say you're living illegally in La Paz, and there
is an emergency that requires you to fly back to the states. wouldn't the airline refuse to board you? Also, I thought I read on this forum that one
cannot open a bank account in Mexico on a FM-T. If that is correct, it makes little sense to me that the same bank that will initiate a trust for real
estate would refuse to open a savings or checking account. Or am I all wet? |
Did you by chance used to write for Rod Serling??
From MY vantage point, you're....Uhhhhh....Ummmm....ALL WET! HOdd, you gotta be talking to one of the straight arrowest
people you've never met! How/Why you could believe that I would have personal experience or knowledge of any individual illegality in that long list
of illegal scenarios you spewed out is totally beyond me! My head is spinning from just reading all that....NO WAY would I
ever LIVE MY LIFE in that manner!!! I've heard rumors that if you wikipedia "straight arrow", there's a pic of me there....but I never bothered to
verify that!
I personally am living in La Paz LEGALLY (I can vouch for the fact that Morgaine7 is as well) & unless the IRS sends me an
engraved invitation to join them for a friendly little chat about how I completed the friggin 55+ pages of 3520 & 3520-A forms for my fideicomisos
I sent them for the required time span, then I can't imagine anything my immediate presence would be required for in the USA.
I'll let Morgaine7 speak for herself, but IMO, she could very well come back with "Ditto"....or "What she said!" & I'd back her up on it!
Life is much easier to get through if you follow the rules rather than give yourself a headache by coming up with all the other possibilities! There
probably ARE people out there with actual experience in one or more of those possibilities you dreamed up, but neither Morgaine7 nor myself resemble
them!
And yes....I take stop signs at their face value! So please don't tailgate me!
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Legs,
I truly believe you are very straight arrow and principled. It shines through in your writing.The way I read Howard's comments is that they were not
an indictment of you. They are hypotheticals.
Howard's questions are questions that one could easily ask about the topic because there have been so much posted here on the BajaNomad. The varied
opinions of others, coupled with the imperfect interpretation, implementation and enforcement of the country's laws makes it confusing. What is
required for one individual in one place is often different from the experience of another person in another place. Mexico is always an adventure and
she does indeed teach patience.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
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card will limit to 180 the number of days that a tourist can stay in Mexico in a 365 day period."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Legs,
I truly believe you are very straight arrow and principled. It shines through in your writing.The way I read Howard's comments is that they were not
an indictment of you. They are hypotheticals.
Howard's questions are questions that one could easily ask about the topic because there have been so much posted here on the BajaNomad. The varied
opinions of others, coupled with the imperfect interpretation, implementation and enforcement of the country's laws makes it confusing. What is
required for one individual in one place is often different from the experience of another person in another place. Mexico is always an adventure and
she does indeed teach patience. |
Thank you Toneart!
I knew HowOdd's scenarios were hypothetical....but it struck me as....well, odd ....that he was posing those questions to two people who do adhere to Mexican rules & laws; even in the face of imperfect interpretation,
implementation & enforcement....depending on who you are, where you are & who's telling you the rules at what time of day!
Which kind of reinforces my point. If EVERYONE; on both sides of the counter; were to adhere to the rules, life could be so much easier &
straightforward. Everyone's expectations would be more easily met....what a novel idea! There are more than enough variants in how things are interpreted, implemented, applied & enforced in reality without trying to
dream up a additional myriad of potential wrongdoings.
I'm glad I'm on an FM2, so I don't have to be bothered with coping with the actual implementation of the latest flavor of temporary visa.
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Wow! Had I been slightly more artful in my post and said "one is living in La Paz" as opposed to "you're living in La Paz", perhaps we might have
avoided this kerfuffle. I was posing hypotheticals to the forum; not just to legs and Kate.
I just spotted the post about El Teo being apprehended in La Paz. I hope no one is going to think they're being accused of harboring him!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
OK, Kate and Legs. You both did become legal residents or citizens thereafter. I just wonder the consequences long term, if one buys property or a
home, and continues to enter on the tourist visa? Looking at the proposed new visa program, anyone living full time would be illegal after 6 months.
So, let's say someone crosses the border after the new visa is expired, and then comes back illegally since they cannot renew it in the same year,
they could probably avoid detection, as requests to produce the document are very spotty. But let's say you're living illegally in La Paz, and there
is an emergency that requires you to fly back to the states. wouldn't the airline refuse to board you? Also, I thought I read on this forum that one
cannot open a bank account in Mexico on a FM-T. If that is correct, it makes little sense to me that the same bank that will initiate a trust for real
estate would refuse to open a savings or checking account. Or am I all wet? |
somewhere more than dripping and less than soaked. 
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kerfuffle!
"Kerfuffle"-contributed by Howodd
...Sounds like something Soupy Sales would have tossed into the fricus. (my word-hybrid of fracus and circus, or I don't friggin know where it came
from, but I'll keep it in my frictionary.)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I just spotted the post about El Teo being apprehended in La Paz. I hope no one is going to think they're being accused of harboring him! |
Kate isn't that the guy you introduced
me to as your new BF a few days ago??
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According to the Associated Press story, they captured El Teo at a home he owned in La Paz. I guess these guys don't like to live near their work. As
I recall, not too long ago, another heavy hitter was apprehended while sport-fishing off Cabo. Additionally, I have heard that a major reason that BCS
has virtually escaped the crime wave of the cartels is that the government of BCS is in their back pocket. Whatever the reason, it is nice to know
that life is good in BCS.
[Edited on 1-12-2010 by Bajahowodd]
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just a note to add to the kerfuffle....you ...oooops...I mean....one is now able to open a bank account on a FMT...at least at Bancomer in
Vizcaino.
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Hmmm. Shari- What is your source on that? Seriously, I'm interested.
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