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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
but, taken on a whole ... why should the majority be punished for the wants and desires of few of folks trying to use the road with bicycles..
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you are not being "punished." bikes may slow you down occasionally (rarely), and that is something you need to learn to live with. the sum total of
your delays caused by bikes is probably so miniscule as to be not measureable. if you drive the entire length of the penninsula, you will on average
lose more time to slowing for animals than you will to slowing for bikes. when i drive the penninsula i am much more concerned about slow trucks,
irresponsible auto drivers and keeping an eye out for those dang speed bumps. i am surprised that bikes generate such a high volume of complaints
when slow trucks are more common and probably cause you 100-times more lost time.
the compaliners on this board are ridiculous.
some of the my most dangerous encounters on hwy 1 have been with gringos with trailers or pickups loaded full of ORVs and driving like they were in a
sports car. your time would be better spent complaining about irresponsible drivers of cars and trucks as they cause many more accidents per vehicle
mile traveled and they pose a bigger danger to you.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
My doctors say I'm not a well person and meds have a tendency to be inconsistant so, I hope they don't fail at the wrong time. Otherwise, my new hood
ornament might say, "NNIWHCS." |
maybe it is time for you to stop driving. sounds like you are a danger to everybody (cars, trucks, dogs, bikes, cows, pedestrians and coyotes) on the
road
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MtGoat,
Sometimes you make good points and then you lose credibility by being obnoxious. 
Who is going to comprehend your intended message, or does this type of post reflect your real intention. If you are indeed a Liberal, drop the
Ageism schtick. You are prematurely crabbier than most old people, and getting old will hit you sooner and harder.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
but, taken on a whole ... why should the majority be punished for the wants and desires of few of folks trying to use the road with bicycles..
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you are not being "punished." bikes may slow you down occasionally (rarely), and that is something you need to learn to live with. the sum total of
your delays caused by bikes is probably so miniscule as to be not measureable. if you drive the entire length of the penninsula, you will on average
lose more time to slowing for animals than you will to slowing for bikes. when i drive the penninsula i am much more concerned about slow trucks,
irresponsible auto drivers and keeping an eye out for those dang speed bumps. i am surprised that bikes generate such a high volume of complaints
when slow trucks are more common and probably cause you 100-times more lost time.
the compaliners on this board are ridiculous.
some of the my most dangerous encounters on hwy 1 have been with gringos with trailers or pickups loaded full of ORVs and driving like they were in a
sports car. your time would be better spent complaining about irresponsible drivers of cars and trucks as they cause many more accidents per vehicle
mile traveled and they pose a bigger danger to you. |
Stand corrected, the word I should have used was ENDANGERED, my mistake... thanks for catching it... if one "bike" rider causes one death through
their inappropriate use of a thoroughfare designed for motorized vehicles, then it shows a complete disregard for common sense.. AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY
When I was growing up, you WALKED your bicycle across the cross walk and you rode on the sidewalk.. not making left turns from the "left turn lane"
like a car, as you are not one, when you are riding a bicycle.. so get used to it...
And the question still stands.. how many bikes on Mex 1 compared to motorized vehicles per year.
Do we change all for 10 people a year on bikes? or do we tell those 10 people they must alter their plans for their trip?
The old minority argument is getting a bit worn out... what's next "yelling fire in a crowed theater"?
[Edited on 1-11-2010 by wessongroup]
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Bajahowodd
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Hats off to El Chivo Diablo. Not everyone around here can tweak as well as you.
And, Dennis, either take your culo down to Sharkey's or take a pill.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
And, Dennis, either take your culo down to Sharkey's or take a pill.
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Seems you're taking sides. The only thing I have that would be considered long is my memory.
I think you and your Bota Bag will be my new hobby.
Are you ready for this?
I am.
Shame on you for your bad choice of ally. A loser. If I were to sidle up with anybody, it would be a winner with a track record.
Anyway, Howard,........it's on with us. Oh,yeah....your idol too.
You boys sleep well.
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David K
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There were billboard size signs posted along Hwy. 1's newest section in 1974 saying that the highway was built for Economic Development, Not High
Speed Driving. The last of those signs was near Punta Prieta I recall... I will post a photo later.
Anyway, those signs address both concerns: 'Economic Development' means tourists in RVs and cars, trucks and busses... Certainly not ex-hippies on
bicycles. The not for high speed driving part covers MtGoat's shouts to go slow... Well, maybe don't go slow... but hot HIGH SPEED, anyway!
Progress is coming in widening the road between San Quintin and La Paz, but until the Transpeninsular Highway has shoulders for bikes to travel safely
and not interfere with the automobiles the highway was built for... It is NOT safe for bikes. Do what you will, you've been warned!  
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Do Mexican Federal Highways have a minimum speed requirement for "vehicles" traveling upon them?
Just curious...
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desertcpl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
There were billboard size signs posted along Hwy. 1's newest section in 1974 saying that the highway was built for Economic Development, Not High
Speed Driving. The last of those signs was near Punta Prieta I recall... I will post a photo later.
Anyway, those signs address both concerns: 'Economic Development' means tourists in RVs and cars, trucks and busses... Certainly not ex-hippies on
bicycles. The not for high speed driving part covers MtGoat's shouts to go slow... Well, maybe don't go slow... but hot HIGH SPEED, anyway!
Progress is coming in widening the road between San Quintin and La Paz, but until the Transpeninsular Highway has shoulders for bikes to travel safely
and not interfere with the automobiles the highway was built for... It is NOT safe for bikes. Do what you will, you've been warned! |
I will go with this,, I have been up and down many times on MX 1,,, it is not made for bikes , that is insane
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
There were billboard size signs posted along Hwy. 1's newest section in 1974 saying that the highway was built for Economic Development, Not High
Speed Driving. The last of those signs was near Punta Prieta I recall... I will post a photo later.
Anyway, those signs address both concerns: 'Economic Development' means tourists in RVs and cars, trucks and busses... Certainly not ex-hippies on
bicycles. The not for high speed driving part covers MtGoat's shouts to go slow... Well, maybe don't go slow... but hot HIGH SPEED, anyway!
Progress is coming in widening the road between San Quintin and La Paz, but until the Transpeninsular Highway has shoulders for bikes to travel safely
and not interfere with the automobiles the highway was built for... It is NOT safe for bikes. Do what you will, you've been warned! |
Okay, found a photo of one in Paul Fischer's 'Adventure to Land's End' (1975):
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Pompano
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Some info on The Baja Highway. (Mex 1)
Here's some background that all Nomads know only too well, but still may help the neophyte Baja Road traveler.
Many people travel from the USA and Canada to Baja by car, RV, motorcycle or bicycle.
The Transpeninsular Highway is well maintained, but it is very narrow and winding in many places.
The middle section is the most remote and desolate. Driving it alone can be a serious challenge and driving at night is not recommended. Horses and
cows, in addition to other wildlife often cross the road or stray right into the road! This is a serious hazard.
The other major hazard are the driving habits of Mexican nationals, who can be very reckless at times. Trucks in particular are very dangerous and be
alert whenever anyone is passing, or head on collisions may result. This is a fact of the Baja Road..accept it or put yourself at deadly risk.
Severe rollover caused by speeding drunk driver.
Common sense rules. This curve near Santispac has taken 7 lives that I personally know of in the last 35 years. No shoulders...abrupt dropoffs.
Short story: A long time ago, maybe 1986-87 or so, a friend towed a very wide load down the entire length of the Baja Highway..actually all the way
from Nevada.
It was a large 31ft flybridge fishing boat...a 31' Bertram...11 feet 2 inches wide plus the wheel wells on the trailer. Took him 5 days from the
border with many turnouts for safety and a scout-support vehicle. No accidents. It can be done..but with extreme caution.
The largest and widest load I ever witnessed was around 1976 or so when 4 large-large rigs hauled down HUGE generators to La Paz. These rigs were
traveling very slowly and jammed traffic completely...maybe 14 feet wide or so. They covered the entire road and you had to wait for
clearance from their support vehicles..both directions.
That convoy took 2 weeks to make it from Tijuana to La Paz.
All traffic was held up northbound and southbound. You learned the meaning of patience.
Baja By Bicycle:
We as a society are trying to promote biking as a healthy, active alternative to driving. This is good and sensible endeavor.
Therefore, it is a given that we need bike lanes, safer routes and better educated drivers/bikers.
I am stating personal observations and posting photos I have taken of biking events chanced upon in my travels, not presenting a point of view. If
it looks like I am presenting a point of view, that was not the intent. Sides, I am having martinis.
You must make your own decision if considering a bike trip down the Baja peninsula.
Biking the Baja Road today as compared to yesteryear.
There seems to be little bicycling down the Baja peninsula these days. Most of the big races involving thousands of Mexican and a few American
contestants have long since disappeared because of the new high volume of traffic due to Baja 'improvements'. It peaked around the early 90's I would
think. Today you see very few singles or small groups. The word is out...the road is too dangerous now.
The early 70's-80's were full of adventuring bicyclers. I made many, many trips in that time period. Because I realized the limitations of that poorly
contructed and narrow highway, I personally never had any problems with them, and quietly wondered at the stamina to make such a trip.
But...having made frequent trips on that highway and having had my share of close calls from passing, overtaking, on-coming, and stalled vehicles, I
will simply state the dangers inherent on the Baja Road...which to me is from San Quentin to Cabo. The dangers are there for bicyclists and motorists
alike. Here is the highway....you may draw your own conclusions as to how to drive it safely.
The Baja Highway
Width of the pavement: 19 feet
Width of the shoulder: 0 feet
Width of a truck/bus/RV: 8 feet
Added width for mirrors: 1 foot
Width used by two passing trucks/etc: 18 feet
Safety separation used by
two passing trucks/etc: 1 foot
Room left for a bicycler: 0 feet
In 1971-73 The Baja Road was constructed to just accommodate two passing 8-foot vehicles, and no more! Many of the roadsides drop off anywhere from a
few feet to a few hundred feet (in these extreme cases, there will usually be a low guard rail right at the edge of the pavement). Also, the edge of
the pavement will often have chunks broken off or washed away, leaving "edge potholes" which have to be dodged.
Mostly the Road has been repaired, renewed, and re-engineered so many times by now, it is hard to get a figure on it's average width today...2010.
Mostly it is still TOO NARROW..so stay on your toes when pulling your rig, dribing your VW, or pedaling your bike.
There you have it....bien viaje.
IF YOU DO BIKE THE BAJA HIGHWAY:
There is still a slow but steady trickle of travelers riding their bicycles in Baja. On the Transpeninsular Highway this is fairly straightforward.
What to ride: A traditional touring, or hybrid bike is an excellent choice for the Transpeninsular. The middle stretch of the road and the peninsula
present regions that are both very mountainous and desolate. Riding a bike on the numerous other roads would certainly require a mountain bike, and
would be preferable with a support vehicle due to the difficulty in acquiring basic supplies (the main concern being water) and the difficulty
carrying baggage on rough roads.
Trying to travel by bike unsupported off the Transpeninsular is for those who don't distinguish between masochism and adventure. Either on or off the
Transpeninsular, good quality tires, lots of patches, spare tubes, and other puncture resistant measures are important, due to the large numbers of
vicious thorns.
Drivers on the Transpeninsular Highway are often very reckless, however most drivers treat cyclists with more respect (perhaps due to their novelty)
then cyclists get elsewhere in North America. If one chooses to bike in what is normally a very hot climate and incredibly remote region at times, the
whole endeavor should only be undertaken with much prudence and planning.
Like a Boy Scout...be prepared. Biking in Baja is a little different than elsewhere:
NOT BAJA
The Oregon Coast Highway bike lane is super fun for bikes.
Oceanside - Carlsbad bike path is unbeatable
One of the best bike highways in the world...going from west to east on the Highline Highway. US 2 across Montana. Prevailing winds push you
right along.
Biking the Yukon is an unforgettable experience. Note to self: next bike trip to Yukon bring bigger bear gun.
Yes, I like to bike, too.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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elgatoloco
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Pompano - nice post and pics, however, that is NOT Oceanside - it's Mission Beach. We ride that stretch from our house every Wednesday while circling
Mission Bay followed by a pint or two of hand crafted beer at PB Ale House. 
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BajaNuts
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Thanks- 12valve for chiming in. (and the other biker also)
I'm not against bikers...........I'm just against bikers who deliberately put themselves........or their CHILDREN...........in grave danger.
Especially when there was room for safety, in my incident. Thanks for sharing on that topic.
I also realized early on in my cycling days that in a car-v-bike accident..........the bike loses!
Bajahowodd-
one difference I might point out between slow trucks/RV's/etc and cyclists is the protection of a vehicle. Yes, when you round a blind corner and a
vehicle is broke down in the road, there is a good chance for impact. But what are the chances of survival for a person inside a vehicle that is hit
by another vehicle going 60kph vs a person on a bike that is hit at 60kph?
I have friends who took off on an adventure a few months ago and posted blogs as they went. Dad and Mom (in their 40's) and son (10 yrs old) rode
bikes and wilderness camped from north central WA, over to ID and down to Moab. They took great care and planning to research the roads they would be
traveling and for most of the route, they enjoyed a peaceful safe ride. One section of road...and it had decent shoulders (sorry, can't tell you how
wide but if someone really wants to know I can find out how wide they were)..had a lot of logging truck traffic on it and that was the worst, most
unsafe section of road they traversed.
I'm wondering...how safe do the cyclists who travel MX1 feel? I wonder how that family with the children feel at the end of the day? Do they realize
how much danger they are in?
and by "safe" I mean safely traveling on the road, apparent dangers, etc. not any other non-traffic threats. Do they feel safe while riding or are
they oblivious to the dangers?
I guess we'll never know unless they chime in here. just wondering........
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Pompano
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Yup..Mission Beach it was.
| Quote: | Originally posted by elgatoloco
Pompano - nice post and pics, however, that is NOT Oceanside - it's Mission Beach. We ride that stretch from our house every Wednesday while circling
Mission Bay followed by a pint or two of hand crafted beer at PB Ale House.
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Thanks for jogging my poor memory, elgatoloco. I kinda figured I was wrong when I wrote Oceanside, but didn't think it was that important. Southern
California coast towns kind of run together after a while. I recall now that we rented the bikes in Mission Beach. And wrote a photo story about
following the tracks made by the Mission Beach cutie below.
We had a lot of fun and enjoyed biking the beach communities of SoCal. The people watching is top notch!
And I love the oriental salad at the Cass St. Bar and yakking with Baja oldtimers...Hennessys for a cold one, back up to The Chart House, down to The
Green Flash for Oysters Rockerfeller, etc, etc. Fun places to bike around...but really makes you appreciate the wide open countyside Up North!
Keep biking. Just think hard about doing the Baja Road trip.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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elgatoloco
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Pompano - next time you are in town give us a shout! We have extra bikes and our rates are very reasonable.
I road up Hwy 1 last Sunday! PCH that is, La Jolla to Swami's and back. I have no desire to ride Baja 1 any time soon.
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Baja12valve
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To the chick. If you got it, flaunt it. .......... and she did!!
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
There were billboard size signs posted along Hwy. 1's newest section in 1974 saying that the highway was built for Economic Development, Not High
Speed Driving. The last of those signs was near Punta Prieta I recall... I will post a photo later.
Anyway, those signs address both concerns: 'Economic Development' means tourists in RVs and cars, trucks and busses... Certainly not ex-hippies on
bicycles. The not for high speed driving part covers MtGoat's shouts to go slow... Well, maybe don't go slow... but hot HIGH SPEED, anyway!
Progress is coming in widening the road between San Quintin and La Paz, but until the Transpeninsular Highway has shoulders for bikes to travel safely
and not interfere with the automobiles the highway was built for... It is NOT safe for bikes. Do what you will, you've been warned! |
"ex-hippies on bicycles"- Oh oh. So they are the ones causing all the trouble, huh?. 
Why, I oughtta...Where can I find the head of this subversive group? Where do we direct our complaints? Who's in charge? Surely we can contact their
Union Hall. They must be organized, doncha think?
I'll ask my friend, Margo St. James, the founder of C.O.Y.O.T.E. (Call Off Your Tired Old Ethics), the San Francisco Hookers' Union. If she has DK in
her little black book, then we could get something done about this "ex-hippies on bicycles" outrage. She and her roadside tactical engineers will help us get to the bottom of this assfault assault. They are very
accomodating.  Never again will the "ex-hippies on bicycles" be able to
attain "hot HIGH SPEED"!.
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wessongroup
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You are too much Toneart
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k-rico
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Latter Day Hippies
Do these fine folks look like they could peddle their butts to Cabo? The only thing they're peddling is their perfected hydroponic indica. Besides,
they wouldn't go far from their medical marijuana store front. NORML has succeeded after 40 years of effort. They'll stay home and enjoy the victory.
And wearing skimpy spandex costumes with aerodynamic plastic hats? Forget it.
[Edited on 1-13-2010 by k-rico]
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wessongroup
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Better yet
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Do these fine folks look like they could peddle their butts to Cabo? The only thing they're peddling is their perfected hydroponic indica. Besides,
they wouldn't go far from their medical marijuana store front. NORML has succeeded after 40 years of effort. They'll stay home and enjoy the victory.
And wearing skimpy spandex costumes with aerodynamic plastic hats? Forget it.
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This Old Hippie Dude Needs One "Just Because!
 
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