1.-the mex locals don't want it
2.-the gringo locals don't want it
3.-"It will bring much needed jobs" is bull****
4.-"so small, wont impact the environment" heard that dozens of times before
5.-"profepa or x mexican agency says its ok" then its not ok
Like i said, it won't happen, its an election year and nobody is going to risk losing.
I wish as much fuss was made at what happened at Puerto Escondido (south of Loreto)! That place was just messed up, and not even a nugget of gold was
involved with who ever okayed that flub up!
There is something that is almost primeval about gold. Today, any new gold mining endeavor is happening simply because of the current price of the
mineral. Tar sand extraction of petroleum has been previously mentioned. when crude was hitting $140 per barrel, almost any method of extracting crude
was up for grabs. Sadly, gold is really only being considered as some form of hedge against the current economic downturn and currency fluctuations.
If the world economy was viewed as being robust, this would not be happening. The intrinsic value of gold, taking into account every imaginable
industrial and cosmetic use, is far, far below its current market price. And even farther. Professional speculators, who actually attach their own
profit to the equation, are primarily responsible for today's situation. Does anyone remember when gold was $35 per ounce? Since then, did gold end
war, cure cancer, feed the starving? It's all a financial game. And the little folks whose homes and businesses may well be affected by indiscriminate
mining practices shall become the losers.
Really funny, just struck me that really good "chronic" I hear and/or read is going for $600 and oz.. I really don't know, I can't afford those kinds
of prices.. thinking about those days in college in the 60's $10 lids..
But, it is really amazing that "gold" would only be $400 hundred more an oz.. and considering the amount of work which must be accomplished to produce
on ounce of gold.. and compared to the weed, which can just grows out there in "mother nature" not hurting anything.. bees use it, birds use it, and
you can make other products from it and from what is being published in many of the Medical Journals today.. seems that there is really sound medical
evidence that there are applications to be found for the human body.. not even to mention that THC is already found in the brain as a precursor to
many function to keep our bodies within a certain "endocrine balance" from a physiological and/or biochemical standpoint ..
Too bad, the plant doesn't kick off a little gold dust.. now what kind of problems would that create....
Always like Wanda Sykes line about "selling everything and putting it all in weed, as weed never goes down in price" lol:
I've never seen a scar so big that nature didn't start to reclaim immediately afterwards.
Quote:
Originally posted by audiobaja
... There are hundreds of places where you could tuck a mine and never even find it unless you had a map, GPS and maybe a helicopter. ...
Butte, Montana. Toxic water. Kills waterfowl. And it's not getting any better. The downstream watershed has many, many visible toxic patches of land.
Thunderstorms washing over the land cause die-offs of trout and other fish. Millions and millions have been spent, and continue to be spent, cleaning
up, with no end in sight. Courtesy of Montana taxpayers. But not for this pit; here, they can't even begin to figure what to do.
Bet I can find this without a GPS. This is no quaint 1849 tunnel in the ground.
audio is blowing circuits. claims to been in the sierras, but doesn't know anything about the Placer mining scars from 1849. still there and will
not go away for eons. need to put him in the same tunnel as DK
A lot of folks really don't understand the scope of the problems which develop... there is evidence that large scale movement is occurring of many
materials all the way to the Pacific Ocean from various operations which have been left due to a number of reasons.
As is Baja, the United States was at one time.. few people, but with many natural resources to "develop"
It's sad to see the legacy which has been left to clean up, if possible. In to many cases, blend and bury, or just bury in drums with areas lined and
placed in locations which are deemed to be "safe" for this type of remediation.
Occasionally a new technology pops up which can "help" but once again you are faced with a "scale" of cleanup that overwhelms the technology... and
the budget of City, State and Federal Governments to conduct the clean up efforts, especially after 10-15 years in the courts with all the Lawyers
getting paid first .... it's a no go... someone said let's hang them... not a half bad idea.. I've got some rope...
Originally posted by rts551
audio is blowing circuits. claims to been in the sierras, but doesn't know anything about the Placer mining scars from 1849. still there and will
not go away for eons. need to put him in the same tunnel as DK
Ralph... one of these days you might understand me and the purpose of some of my posts... You missed it in this thread amigo!
Thinking and knowledge should be for all the people, not just the elites in government!
1.-the mex locals don't want it
2.-the gringo locals don't want it
3.-"It will bring much needed jobs" is bull****
4.-"so small, wont impact the environment" heard that dozens of times before
5.-"profepa or x mexican agency says its ok" then its not ok
Like i said, it won't happen, its an election year and nobody is going to risk losing.
Man of few words but bull's eye!
I am coming out of the closet...I was born in Canada. I saw with my own eyes what those large mining and metal processing industries have done. Family
members worked asbestos, uranium, gold. People just died back then. Accepted price tag for the stuff.
Until there were a few "Eco-hippies" who dared to talk and make a fuss. We still have massive sites that have to be contained for perpetuity. Friend
of mine is a diver who's job is to get samples the water, his dry suit valves actually melt from the sulfuric acid!
When I was a kid Alcan had an aluminum factory near my home town, no trees grew near it for miles. It is now closed and in containment at massive cost
to the tax payers forever.
People got sick, people died, people fussed, laws were changed, the companies have now moved on to do what they have to do in other countries.(must
keep the shareholders happy)
I am not against profits, to the contrary, that's the grease that keeps everything working but sustainability is not an option.
What ever happened to ethical business practices?
Open pit mining is not a sustainable activity anywhere on earth.
Thanks C-Urchin... this topic has no boundaries and needs all involved in the discussion... as that is the only way to break new ground (no pun
intended)
A complete and thorough look at the: who, what, where, when, how and why along with input from previous recipients of the individual projects short
and long term impacts, be they in Mexico, Canada, or Timbuktu...
It's all tied to gather.. The larger the scale the more immediate and severe the impact.. and some places will never come back.. "Cedars of Lebanon"
the "Redwood Forests in Northern California in certain areas" and others..
A vegetation community requires many components to achieve its final "climax" stage.. when some and/or many of those components are permanently
removed.. it's not going to come back..
And dare we talk about where all the oil from the "tar sand" goes? and for what purpose? think we know where most of that goes, along with precious
stones..
Very difficult issues to deal with.. the trade offs are based on our "world" as we like it today.. not sure what is going to happen tomorrow, looking
pretty scary to his old guy
Just my two cents... along with Larry's
"It's these darned piercers that are driving the demand up. This proposed mine is their fault."
Further, they fear critical sea turtle and whale habitats could be jeopardized from the construction of a desalination plant designed to pipe in
water for mining operations from a coastal site at Las Playitas.
So let me get this straight, they're going to build a desal plant, which will produce its own kind of pollution, on the beach just north of the
magical pueblo artist colony rich gringo enclave and pump the water up into the mountains to use in the nasty chemical process that extracts gold from
the ore?
Then this contaminated water will be discharged where, into the aquifer or into the ocean via another pipe?
The article also said that the project will create 300 - 400 jobs for 10 years. Big Deal.
These Canadians come up with the wildest plans. Too much Canadian Club perhaps.
Originally posted by rts551
audio is blowing circuits. claims to been in the sierras, but doesn't know anything about the Placer mining scars from 1849. still there and will
not go away for eons. need to put him in the same tunnel as DK
Got the GPS coordinates?
Personally, it's none of my business, this is between the company and the Mexican government. I just lived in an area where massive wild fires
ensued and burned down entire forests because well meaning eco-hippies refused to let the forest be maintained or roads built or any kind of
controlled clearing happen despite all the warnings. There's no longer any forest to protect. Millions of acres gone, homes burned down, habitats
destroyed. So you'll have to forgive me if I don't trust the rhetoric that comes from them for this. Most eco people are clueless city folk who
don't know anything about nature except what they read in a book or heard from Al Gore. No offense! I just prefer to hear both sides and
actually think about it rather than be reactionary. Because if people had done that, there'd still be a lot of forests that don't exist any more.
[Edited on 1-26-2010 by audiobaja]
A century of fire suppression has increased the severity of wild fires.
Fire is a natural part of a forest environment and when suppressed forest fuels build up causing more severe fires. When I hear someone talk about
road building and managed forests it usually means logging, in the NW where I live there are very few actual forests left, what we have remaining are
mostly second growth monoculture tree farms that are more susceptible to disease, insects and fire. A forest that is left alone will do very well. I
don't think anyone would call me a treehugger because I operate a sawmill, I have just seen first hand the damage that industrial logging has
inflicted on forest land.
PS - just got done installing more bricks from a red clay strip mining operation in Cd Constitucion. I wonder about how many people died, what kids
will get what disease, what kind of horrors the people endure daily, but then I look at those bricks and say "DAMN! They look GOOD!!!"
"(Ottawa, Toronto, Vancouver) On November 27, 2009, Mariano Abarca Roblero, a prominent Mexican anti-mining activist, was shot to death in front
of his home in the community of Chicomuselo, Chiapas.
Mr. Abarca was a leader of the Mexican Network of People Affected by Mining (REMA, from the Spanish) and one of the most important figures to publicly
denounce the negative social and environmental impacts of Canadian mining company Blackfire Exploration Ltd.’s open-pit barite mine in Chiapas. Just
days before his murder Mariano Abarca filed charges against two Blackfire employees for threatening to shoot him if he didn’t stop organizing local
farmers protesting the loss of their land and livelihood to the mine. Three men linked to Blackfire have been arrested for his murder.
And as to this: "Because if people had done that [remove forest debris], there'd still be a lot of forests that don't exist any more."
1. the fire may have been caused by stupid humans. The lake Tahoe Angora fire was caused by stupid humans. the San Diego County cuyamaca fire was
caused by stupid humans. the San Diego Cedar fire was caused by stupid humans. etc etc etc The defense of these fires, in each case, was human
error - too little too late, although the resources were available. the stupid human factor again.
2. no matter what the forest debris policy is, humans won't be able to get into some areas to "manage" them, so they will continue regardless.
3. as all the "forest managers" will tell you, fires are natural occurrences and serve their own balance and counteraction to other natural
phenomenon
4. intentional human destruction of natural places with clean water and clean air is not the same thing as a naturally occurring fire which can't be
controlled
5. if it weren't for "eco hippies" trying to protect open space and natural places it would be a very sorry world indeed. Go to the hundreds of
online sites of environmental organizations and see their accomplishments.
Are you going to step up and try to stop this mine, or defend the Canadian miners and let it happen? You have some personal responsibility here.
Your choice. If you do nothing, you're giving the Canadians your permission to destroy this natural place for all eternity.
"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen.
The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back
if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Theodore Roosevelt
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