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k-rico
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"We're pretty much all guests here, we should start acting like it."
I'm not, I'm a legal tax paying resident as are many other Nomads. We can't get involved in politics but other matters are fair game, especially when
they affect the communities we live in.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by audiobaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
This is simple:
1.-the mex locals don't want it
2.-the gringo locals don't want it
3.-"It will bring much needed jobs" is bull****
4.-"so small, wont impact the environment" heard that dozens of times before
5.-"profepa or x mexican agency says its ok" then its not ok
Like i said, it won't happen, its an election year and nobody is going to risk losing. |
Hard to say. My sources say it's already a done deal, just waiting for the ink to dry.
1. The Mexicans I know seem to want it or expect it since this is a mining area and always has been.
2. The gringos shouldn't count. We're a bunch of interloping aholes.
3. Of course it will bring jobs. The ore doesn't just hop out of the ground.
4. Can't be nearly as bad as what has happened in the past.
5. They seem to think it's okay, which means it will most likely happen. Term limits mean the politicians don't really care because they lose their
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John,
I don't want to sound rude, but haven't you been here in the area for just over a year? many posters here have ten times or more years under their
belt and KNOW for a fact and from experience, the way things are. You seem to base your opinions on very limited knowledge, choosing to ignore people
who actually have sources in the industry and goverment.
So heres my response to your awnsers:
1.-The Mexican you know, considering your limited time here, are not a reliable example of the feelings of the general population.
2.-Gringos do count, they pay their taxes too.
3.-Wrong again, companies like that have a history here in Baja, and they almost always bring employees from other states. We want jobs for Baja
Californians, not Mexicans from other states, but perhaps, you where not aware of that.
4.- This is a pretty big assumption based on what? do you know any other projects? do you know the way things are done in Mexico? do you know the
history of corruption and destruction of the environment in Mexico?
5.-They SEEM is something pulled out from the air. Who seems? your Mexican friends? may i suggest you base your opinion on what politicians think,
what the newspapers say, what the environmental groups think, what the laws actually say, and finally, what only many many years of living in Mexico
and knowing people all over town express.
By the way, your sources are bogus. 
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David K
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wessongroup
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Enforcement of ...... ??
Audiobaja, no one can say you don't "stick to your guns" 
And your position on the reality of how it "works" is sadly on point..
I had put up just the other day.. a "Press Release" (check the date) and I think your in the position of "shoot the messenger" at this point.. as it
would appear a direction on the development of Baja has already been made.. marching order have already been issued 
Don't think many disagree with the reality of what you are saying, rather many just hate to see it happen, as I except you do also..
Again all views are necessary to achieve a balanced understanding of all risks and rewards associated with a certain "political" decision
[Edited on 1-26-2010 by wessongroup]
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C-Urchin
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gold mines
"Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes, it obstructs your vision." Hsi-Tang
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wilderone
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"I'm staying out of it, politically. I still think it's none of my business, so my opinions are relatively meaningless since I wouldn't act on them
either way."
coward. Tell me, what IS important to you?
The earth is for everyone living on it, and its health vital for everyone's well-being. But if you want to argue on economic terms, tourist revenue
is second (oil first) contributing to Mexico's gross national product. So, yeah, I'd say non-citizens have a voice, on at least two levels.
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wilderone
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"It's inevitable, for better or worse. I'm not sure I see the point in forestalling the inevitable if there is also some benefit."
that's what the naysayers said about the Colonet shipping container port, and the 6,000 residence development of Loreto Bay, and many other Baja
pie-in-the-sky projects. Did it occur to you that hyping a gold mine is about the only way this company will get investors' money? That money pays
the CEO and others - first. And the benefit is largely the Canadians' given that the area will be privatized and then destroyed for use and enjoyment
by the local people.
"If it weren't for eco hippies, we'd have a lot more forest in New Mexico."
talk about reckless, uninformed rhetoric. Your federal government is to blame, and the eco-hippies curtailed some of the destruction by coordinating
efforts and speaking out.
Your posts are filled with doubt and fear and blame. The blame lies partly with people like you who refuse to take a stand and exercise their rights.
If you want to sit back and suck on a cold beer instead - fine. But get out of the way of us who want to do something.
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tripledigitken
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Wilderone,
What is it that you are going to do about the mine in Baja?
Ken
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David K
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Enquiring minds want to know!  
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wessongroup
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Black Elk Speaks, Wasichus in the Hills
| Quote: | Originally posted by C-Urchin
"Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes, it obstructs your vision." Hsi-Tang |
"Later I learned too that Pahuska had found there much of the yellow metal that makes the Wasichus crazy; and that is what made the bad trouble, just
as it did before, when the hundred were rubbed out."
http://www.firstpeople.us/articles/Black-Elk-Speaks/Black-El...
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Marie-Rose
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I give up Just cannot post pics!! Maybe Acuity will give us a few to show the festivities in TS today. A show of opposition to the mine.
Locals organized quite a rally. Apparently going on all evening.
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marie-Rose
I give up Just cannot post pics!! Maybe Acuity will give us a few to show the festivities in TS today. A show of opposition to the mine.
Locals organized quite a rally. Apparently going on all evening. |
Marie Rose... if the photos are on your PC, then you can post... One way is to make a duplicate photo file, and reduce the file size to under 50 kbs.
BUT, you can only photo one per post on Nomad, using the BROWSE button.
OR, save you photos on a photo hosting site, like the FREE http://www.photobucket.com site manu of us here use. Where you upload the photos from your computer to photobucket is where you choose the reduced
size... Pick 15" or Large for the biggest to show WITHOUT stretching the Nomad page wide (as the 17" or 1 meg does).
Then from the IMG url which is below all the photos on photobucket, use your mouse to copy and paste the url here on Nomad seperated by a couple
spaces and or some text describing the photo.
May the FORCE be with you! 
[Edited on 1-27-2010 by David K]
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wilderone
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Ken, I'll enlighten people on Candian atrocities. I'll bring the issue to the forefront. I'll bad-mouth mining far and wide. Personally, I have
other environmental battles that I put money to, write letters, show up and do the work, etc. So many . . . I can't be everywhere all the time and I
only have so much money for these efforts. If I can challenge someone to take a stand and do something, instead of sitting back with a beer, then
that is "taking action" all the same. It's the audiobaja's of the world - the ones who don't give a damn about their world, who, when given the
opportunity to make the world a better place, but don't - who give the green light to an eroding ecosystem. This mine in this place is just wrong.
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tripledigitken
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Wilderone,
I meant specifically in Baja. Not being a National can pose problems for activists. Don't want to read a story about a Nomad sitting in some Mexican
Prison.
Ken
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Acuity
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Photos of rally, Todos Santos
Just for MR 
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Acuity
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and another
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Acuity
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.. and yet another
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tripledigitken
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I don't see many Grey Ponytail Hippies.
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Acuity
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... and for entertainment - also in the parade
Following the parade was a set of speeches and performances - they continue through the night
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monoloco
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Those are treehugging eco-hippies disguised as Mexican school children.
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