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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 11:38 AM


Nobody is answering his question -that's why he's repeating it. I only re-asked his same question. How many bicycle tourists were killed on the stretches of Highway 1? Maybe it isn't so unsafe, but many are so unbrave. The vast majority of bicycles I've seen have been Mexican locals.
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 11:42 AM


I do see folks riding on bicycles riding down the Highway on occasion. It is always easy to figure out which ones are the locals and which ones hail from somewhere else than Mexico.

The locals always pull over / off the road and let the larger / faster moving traffic pass. Really don't understand why that is a concept that enrages some folks...

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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 11:49 AM


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I very much doubt that there is any sanctioned racing at all in Baja of late. It was heavily focused on the Northern Baja Area when it did exist and relied on San Diego based USCF riders to fill out the fields. I don't see how it could have survived the 2 hour waits crossing the border, let alone the subsequent drug war operiod?

The main organizer lived in TJ and operated a bike ship in Imperial Beach; he's almost certainly retired by now.

I participared in two events, one from downdown Ensenada to the Bufadora and back and another doing a ring around TJ then Rosarito out to Presa Rodriguez back past the Airport and ending up in front of the Jai-Lai fronton.

When the guys from Mexicali showed up with elbow pads you knew that you were in for a special flavor of competition, fortunately we dropped them pretty quickly. But nobody got hurt in these two cases and point to point racing of this nature was already an endangered species in California by then too.

The TJ event that year was won by a current Olympic track cycling medalist.

Sponsored recreational rides in the year 2010 are a whole other animal and even in places like Colorado, Ohio, and Iowa I avoid them like the plague. Paying $150 to have my health endangered by other cyclists is not my cup of tea.

I actually empathize with motorists who get stuck behind these wanker fests.


How many bicycle riders were killed on Mex 1, last year?

RV's are not the topic of discussion, rather bicycle riders on Mex 1


the problem appears to be old people with too big vehicles, driving too fast, and annoyed at bikes, because they no longer have reflexes necessary to slow down when they encounter a bike rider on the road. the problem is pig-headed people driving too fast.

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is it alzheimers that has you repeating your question? or is it the rocks in your head?


No goat 1, rather the failure to respond to the question, which is the foundation of the thread.. Risks to all individuals from cyclist riding on Mex 1.. Which would appear to be a public safety issue.... oh, and thanks for my health.. hope your doing well this morning.. wait a moment .. had to get a small pebble from my auditory canal.. that better.. ok where were we.. oh, yes..

I would seem reasonable to determine first if there are any injuryies and/or death(s) which could be attributed to cyclists riding on the Mexican Federal Highway 1.. I think that is what it is called.

So, the question remains: How many bicycle riders were killed on Mex 1, last year?

RV's are not the topic of discussion, rather bicycle riders on Mex 1

Here is the blank for you and/or goat 2 ______________________

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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 11:57 AM


BAJA SUR BICYCLE STUFF IN SPANISH

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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 12:09 PM


Not sure if the every six minutes someone is killed is for the entire Country, or World.. but, at least it is a number :):)



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I very much doubt that there is any sanctioned racing at all in Baja of late. It was heavily focused on the Northern Baja Area when it did exist and relied on San Diego based USCF riders to fill out the fields. I don't see how it could have survived the 2 hour waits crossing the border, let alone the subsequent drug war period?



Of course if I'm wrong about this then it's a certainty that the fields in surviving Northern Baja road races are doubtless much more "mexican" now than they were back then.

Whick brings us back to the central point of whether you selfish RV lardburroes think that are equally entitled to run Mexican riders right off the roads in their own county?

As opposed to American riders that is?

(Say whatever happened to "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" anyway?)

This in a sport that the Mexican Government has supported at a very high level at least since the early 1970s? Supporting a national team, sending them all over the world and organizing events in places where the roads are at least five times as dangerous as Mex One. The centerpiece stage race was the Vuelta de Chiapas right up until the roads were closed by the revolutionaries.

I've rented out properties to H1B Mexican nationals who are 25 years younger than this guy and every last one of them knew who he is.

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/al/raul-al...

He has some sort of highly exclusive "National Hero of Sport" credential in Mexico that I couldn't look up just now and was the only contestant to have ever defeated Miguel Indurain in a Tour de France Time Trial event over the course of six years.

And his big coming out party was the Tour of Baja in 1986 or 1987 for what that's worth.
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 12:24 PM


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the problem appears to be old people with too big vehicles, driving too fast, and annoyed at bikes, because they no longer have reflexes necessary to slow down when they encounter a bike rider on the road. the problem is pig-headed people driving too fast



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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 12:41 PM
Statistical Factoid!


Health benefits of cycling outweigh the risks.

"The gain of 'life years' through improved fitness among regular cyclists, and thus their increased longevity exceeds the loss of 'life years' in cycle fatalities. (British Medical Association, 1992). An analysis based on the life expectancy of each cyclist killed in road accidents using actuarial data, and the increased longevity of those engaging in exercise regimes several times a week compared with those leading relatively sedentary lives, has shown that, even in the current cycle hostile environment, the benefits in terms of life years gained, outweigh life years lost in cycling fatalities by a factor of around 20 to 1." -- Mayer Hillman, Senior Fellow Emeritus, Policy Studies Institute, and British Medical Association researcher.
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 12:49 PM


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I do see folks riding on bicycles riding down the Highway on occasion. It is always easy to figure out which ones are the locals and which ones hail from somewhere else than Mexico.



Oh really?

The CEO of Allis Chalmers Mexico rode Baja north to south with his family and Mil Cumbres before I had first met him. He was hot to ride Durango-Mazatlan after we got together too.

He was a fair skinned "elite" Mexican of French descent and the bikes he rode at the time cost twice as much as mine.

Unless you saw our respective bank accounts you couldn't have told the Mexican from the gringo at five feet.

When he wasn't doing stuff like this as a vacation he was riding daily in places near Tampico and Veracruz that make Mex One look as safe as a pre-school playground, sometimes with his chauffeur behind him. Places where it's no accident that I didn't ever go there when I could have lived on one of his estates for free.

(Boy I bet that would really raise your blood pressure coming up on his gang with the big old Mercedes behind it creeping along and you RV clowns seriously low on beer at the same time? At least you would have seen the Mexican plates I guess?)

Judging from the kind of mega-rich friends he had in Monterrey and the way that he rode up here in my country, I honestly don't think that he got right off any road for anyone down there in his own.

If any of you neanderthal idiots ever gets sideways with someone like this riding legally in his own county; you are in for a major league world of chit. He was on a first name basis with just about half the PRI in Nuevo Leon.

Be very careful about who might be included in the "flashy lycra" crowd that aparrently gets your depends all up in a bunch- you mess with someone like this and it could be three years before you even get up in front of a judge.

I actually heard of one RV ******-bag who did something like this to the mayors' nephew around Hermosillo in 1985 and I suspect that he didn't see the light of day again before 2000?

What part of "you are guests in THEIR country" do you have such a hard time understanding anyway?
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 01:07 PM


OK, I just spent 20 minutes reading all the posts here. Got a few laughs along the way (I like the tasers!) and I suppose I will add my two cents worth. I have a bike in the garage and ride it down to the store or out with my grandson on occasion. I don't own or drive an RV. It strikes me that those defending the bikes rights to take up the highway here seem to be a very angry group for some reason. Maybe you should consider taking some anger management courses if riding a bike isn't getting rid of all that negative energy you seem to be carrying?

Getting out of the way of faster moving traffic on a two lane highway just seems like common sense and good courtesy, whether you are on a bike, burro or walking.

Leave all that pent up stress NOB.
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 01:10 PM


cabo83....your obsessive compulsive rant is getting old, tiresome and redundant. Why don't you go on over to Bloody Decks and tell everybody how to fish. I'm sure you're a well traveled expert on that too.
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 01:13 PM


josie:
the greatest rage was expressed by dennis,... i find it typical of certain types of drivers

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They do that here occasionally on the Bufadora road. The height of arrogant selfishness. It makes you want to develop road rage and grind them into the undercarriage of your car and I would if my insurance covered it.



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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 01:19 PM


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the greatest rage was expressed by dennis,...



Well, thank you goat-scrotum. And all this time, I thought nobody noticed.
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What part of "you are guests in THEIR country" do you have such a hard time understanding anyway?


The point I'm trying to convey here is that in the more populated areas of Mexico cyclists do enjoy full use of the road, much much more so than here in the good old USA. Just about everywhere but on the "cuotas" and if you are on a top team or else just filthy rich and well-connected enough it's not terribly unlikely to see them right there on the cuotas too. That's where the best shoulders are, after all. Many times the Team Sponsor demands it for the visibility.

They shut down the whole southbound side of the four lane going over the hill to Rosarito Beach for us and nobody even had to take out a permit to do it. On a Saturday morning no less.

When the native motorists have this kind of mentality
it actually becomes safer to ride a bike in Monterrey than in Pittsburg or Chicago by a long shot. Even though the roads are so much better up north.

By the way this is also true of Guatemala, Costa Rica and Ecuador and even you slugs would have known at the outset that all of Europe works that way too. (Of course 16 feet of length is a huge RV in the latter case; hey maybe you guys are the problem after all?)

The only place I ever saw in all of Mexico where bicyclists were expressly prohibited was the little cut-off in Jalisco where you turn back south again for Puerto Vallarta, right around Compostella. Which meant that we had to ride about fifteen miles out of our way.

The idea that this could ever happen in a place in Mexico where there is no other road available is absolutely ludicrous.

Seriously, you boobs might as well be demanding that Irishmen give up whiskey just for your own personal convenience?

It's their country and you are downright ignorant about how they do things in the huge part of Mexico that you haven't seen yet and frankly that's really all there is to it.
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 01:37 PM


When they close off roads in populated areas there is usually several other options for traffic to get around it. Not an option for long stretches of Baja Hwy 1.



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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 01:54 PM


caboclass - I am a Mexican citizen and I assure you that 99.9% of Mexicans will tell you that you are dead (no pun intended) wrong on this. You can ramble on and on and on all you want but nothing you say will change that. Your attempt to speak for us is not even close to reality.
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 02:17 PM


Caboclass - all you have to do is state your opposition's opinion, and say you're stating it on the people of Mexico's behalf. Then they'll disagree with what you said but not with what's in your heart.:light:
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caboclass - I am a Mexican citizen and I assure you that 99.9% of Mexicans will tell you that you are dead (no pun intended) wrong on this. You can ramble on and on and on all you want but nothing you say will change that. Your attempt to speak for us is not even close to reality.


Carlos Slim disagrees with you.

http://www.vueltamexico.com.mx/vm/

And have you yourself ever been past the end of your driveway on a bike?

(I didn't think so?)
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 02:31 PM


Most of the roads on this map see more traffic in a single week than Mex One south of San Quentin sees in an entire year.

http://www.vueltamexico.com.mx/vm/etapas.html


And the event itself dates back to 30 years before the Baja Road was built too.

(There was nothing even remotely like this going on in North America that far back, except in Quebec.)



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Nickname(s) "Latin America's Grand Tour"
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Discipline Men's Stage Race
Competition UCI Pro Continental Teams
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...The Mexico national tour has a rich history dating back to the 1940s [1], and this latest incarnation was revived in late 2008 and early 2009 as the condensed evolution of the Vueltas de las Americas, 21 day stage race, defunct from 2003[2]. This national tour is currently ranked 2.2, according to UCI race classifications, and is apart of the UCI America Tour. Title sponsorship is provided via CONADE (Comisión Nacional de Cultura Física y Deporte), as well as the Telmex Foundation [3], a philanthropic entity created by Telmex C.E.O., Carlos Slim. Additional sponsorship has been provided previously by BMW, Mercury, Coca Cola, NovoSportware, and Metalurgica Creativa.

While 2008 primarily featured non-UCI regional Mexican teams, with nine such squads, 2009 saw that number shrink to eight, of which Arenas and Canel's had been UCI the year prior and may not have renewed due to the poor global economy. More importantly 2009 featured, for the first time, two UCI Professional Continental Teams with Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni, and Amica Chips. Also present in each of the first two editions are various North American national squads: 2008 saw the participation of the Guatemalan and Cuban national teams, and in 2009 the Cuban National Team returned along with first time appearances by national squads, USA and Mexico.
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[*] posted on 2-15-2010 at 02:33 PM


Wonder if Carlos Slim would be crazy enough to bike down Mex 1
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