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BJSoccer16
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CBP Detaining people to search cars
Has anyone had a run in with immigration officers where they were sent to secondary and detains (handcuffed and processed like a criminal) even though
they had nothing illegal while the officers searched their car because the dog signaled? Please share your stories as this to me is a violation of a
citizen's rights. The car was returned with seats detached and turn signal broken as well.
[Edited on 3-10-2010 by BJSoccer16]
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MrBillM
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No Surprise
On the Nat Geo "Border Wars" series, there was one episode where the Dog hit on a car and they did exactly that. Took the car apart for hours, found
nothing and sent the guy on his way after holding him in a cell.
Most interesting was the comment by the supervisor when he said "We'll get him next time".
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BJSoccer16
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The worst part of living in Mexico is the Border Patrol ---- a body shop fixed what they left messed up for 50 pesos; and a mechanic fixed the turn
signal for 150 pesos; would have cost more than that in dollars on the other side. I've lost the respect I used to hold for our law enforcement. The
people that are supposedly keeping us safe rob people of their dignity and civil liberty and creating a fear of law enforcement in innocent people.
We had the car detailed and I got through today with no problems; guess the dogs got excited when they smelled our new puppy (that's my assumption
since the officers had no idea what might have set off the false alarm).....the best part is they know that not every car the dogs smell has
contraband --in fact more often than not the cars the dogs (signal) have nothing yet the still treat people (American citizens included) like trash.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
On the Nat Geo "Border Wars" series, there was one episode where the Dog hit on a car and they did exactly that. Took the car apart for hours, found
nothing and sent the guy on his way after holding him in a cell.
Most interesting was the comment by the supervisor when he said "We'll get him next time". |
fascists. but par for the course in the US where uninformed citizenery alow their law enforcement to practice thuggery without consequences.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
I see the whole CBP/DHS thing all the time. They "follow" now, they don't do pursuits...although they follow at very high speeds and then they don't
get it when the the smugglers eat poop at high speed and spread bodies all over the road.
It is really amazing the array of equipment these guys have at their disposal right down to Mexican plated cars. I love it when their investigators
try to shut the CHP out of the scenes and the CHP/SO's throw the hammer down and their investigators roll their eyes over the whole mess.
This story could go on forever.
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No, that is really funny.. jurisdiction its always a hoot.. gets really bad if there are cameras running.. and you know there is always a few that
want their voices and pictures on the 5 o'clock news.. never can tell.. might get a career change 
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Talk with a few civil rights lawyers and see what they have to say. The handcuffing does seem a bit much for an "investigatory stop." I agree BP can
be too heavy handed. When I was sent to secondary for my agriculture check, the guy with the dog was all around my car - twice. Why don't they have
the dog check all the cars in the first place while they're waiting at the red light?
These are diferent times than in the past, however, with the war on terror, homeland security and all that. You can file a claim for the damage.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Why don't they have the dog check all the cars in the first place while they're waiting at the red light?
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I think they like to keep their dogs out of the exhaust as much as possible. Too many adverse effects. The freakin' dog is probably in a union that
demands this.
I wonder how much those dogs get paid? 
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I have been detained, handcuffed, fingerprinted, and photographed when crossing the U.S. border. They weren't nice about it at all and it took a
couple of hours because the guys on duty were so stupid they couldn't figure out how to use all their hi-tech toys. When they finally figured out that
I wasn't who they thought I was they didn't even offer an apology, they didn't log the incident in their computer system so I was subjected to the
same treatment the very next time I crossed. It was pretty unnerving when the lady at the booth told me to turn off my truck and I heard a blaring
alarm and 10 guys came running out with guns drawn and surrounded my vehicle. The funniest part is while I was being detained one of the guys asked me
what I thought about the cops in Mexico, I told him that in 25 years I had never had been treated as poorly by the Mexican police as I was being
treated by his group.
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mono... that is absoultly BS, to cuff someone and not be placed under arrest, and if placed under arrest I would expect to be informed of my rights
and why I was being placed under arrest..
I'm sure there is video of this, and under the Freedom of Information Act, one can make written request for same.
Unless it has changed, it's been quite a while for me.. on this issue..
But, it seems more than an excessive response to someone just crossing the border... I mean really, are they expecting a shoot out over ........ what?
Seems over all threat could easily be determined by "patting down" the individual, and with that much staff, where you going to go... not anywhere in
your vehicle.. don't really understand the why..
Anyone that works BP... a little help on the thinking..
Seems like running the plates, Passport and the drivers license would bring up "some" information.. maybe I'm missing something..
After thought.. maybe it was something you posted
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Was stopped and searched at a roadblock north of Yuma. They unlaoded my truck and used a dog to check it all out. I had to repack and reload all of
the contents. Not fun.
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I saw a guy at the check point on the toll road going into Ensenada about a week back getting this treatment.. the wife was driving so I could really
watch as they were going through this guys stuff..
It had been pulled out of his car.. everything.. clothes, seats everything.. when we were creeping through the line of traffic.. I saw one officer,
open a "quart of oil" for your car, and then upend it onto the ground.. guess it could have hand something inside.. but, with the twist cap unbroken,
seemed a pretty rotten trick to play on this guy.. I don't have knowledge about the guy, maybe be the officers did..
Just seemed a bit.. of a cheap shot..
Its a no fun job, but ..... really, it is part of the job.. to treat folks decent..
I can only hope they take pity on this old guy, would be a real b-tch for me to try and do all that stuff.. or even with the wife..
I hope no one else get this treatment....
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
mono... that is absoultly BS, to cuff someone and not be placed under arrest, and if placed under arrest I would expect to be informed of my rights
and why I was being placed under arrest..
I'm sure there is video of this, and under the Freedom of Information Act, one can make written request for same.
Unless it has changed, it's been quite a while for me.. on this issue..
But, it seems more than an excessive response to someone just crossing the border... I mean really, are they expecting a shoot out over ........ what?
Seems over all threat could easily be determined by "patting down" the individual, and with that much staff, where you going to go... not anywhere in
your vehicle.. don't really understand the why..
Anyone that works BP... a little help on the thinking..
Seems like running the plates, Passport and the drivers license would bring up "some" information.. maybe I'm missing something..
After thought.. maybe it was something you posted
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Yeah Wiley, maybe it's from all that subversive stuff I post in Off
Topic. Let this be a lesson to all of you. The funny thing is, I don't think
they even searched my rig. If they did they didn't find the 5 bottles of Cazadores I had stashed
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It's called "investigative detention" and during this time you can be handcuffed. It is perfectly legal. The CBP does not need probable cause, just
reasonable suspicion.
When you are in the lanes to enter into the US and cross the yellow line on the pavement you play by their rules..........
Just be polite, and answer the questions without any smart aleck remarks. There is a secret to crossing the border (not boarder) and apparently some
people have not learned what that secret is.
monoloco.......just FYI....just because you are detained, have cuffs placed on you or are arrested, they don't have to read you your rights..........
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It's just so heartwarming to see how this is all working so well. Osama has not made it across the Mexican border. Oh. But, he's got to be laughing
his culo off at how much he has changed our way of life.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
monoloco.......just FYI....just because you are detained, have cuffs placed on you or are arrested, they don't have to read you your rights..........
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I am well familiar with my rights so I didn't particularly care if they read them to me or not. I think
that criminals getting off because nobody read them their rights is a crock, if someone doesn't know their rights then they weren't paying attention
in school and deserve what ever they get for being stupid. I'm pretty sure most criminals know their rights better than the general population.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
monoloco.......just FYI....just because you are detained, have cuffs placed on you or are arrested, they don't have to read you your rights..........
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I am well familiar with my rights so I didn't particularly care if they read them to me or not. I think
that criminals getting off because nobody read them their rights is a crock, if someone doesn't know their rights then they weren't paying attention
in school and deserve what ever they get for being stupid. I'm pretty sure most criminals know their rights better than the general population.
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You are soooooooo right!!!!!!
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I have been detained, handcuffed, fingerprinted, and photographed when crossing the U.S. border.
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yeah, me too! just not by CBP!!!
i would be peeed, but my granpappy told me stories just like the OP's (he was a cop!) when i was a kid. i guess it wouldn't surprise me to have this
treatment.
after all, these are the thugs keeping the terrorists shaking in their robes. just think whatta place we'd live in if they greeted everyone with a
coke and a smile!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BJSoccer16
Has anyone had a run in with immigration officers where they were sent to secondary and detains (handcuffed and processed like a criminal) even though
they had nothing illegal while the officers searched their car because the dog signaled? Please share your stories as this to me is a violation of a
citizen's rights. The car was returned with seats detached and turn signal broken as well.
[Edited on 3-10-2010 by BJSoccer16] |
I got sent to secondary a week or so ago. Not sure why (orange colored post-it, every color means something different I guess) and two different
mini-traffic cones on the hood. I pulled in the inspection area and waited, and waited. I had my car registration, drivers' license and auto
insurance card out. My passport was with the post-it under my wiper blades. I made a phone call and told the wife calmly that I was at Secondary and
forgot to take the new bag of dog food out of the car before leaving the house. There was a sign clearly posted that said something like "all
conversations are being recorded". About ten minutes later the guy came over to me, took the paper and passport and asked me to get out and open my
hood. I had the back seats down- but he said he could see everything just fine. He was actually very nice and said "you're fine and you'll be on your
way in a minute- I'll be right back with your stamped exit pass". He came right back wished me a nice day and I pulled out and left.
But while I was there in Secondary I saw the guy crossing in the lane next to me that the dogs had "hit on". While in the crossing lane the dog walked
around his car and then sat calmly next to his rear bumper with his nose up against it. They brought another dog over and he did the same thing.
They escorted him over to secondary and he parked just past me- but out of my sight. Next thing I saw was the dog handlers rewarding their dogs with
a towel chew-toy thing and praising them. Then the driver came by in handcuffs. Finally a female agent came by with wrapped packages in her hands
(assumed they were the drugs from the bumper). When I exited secondary the car was being dismantled basically.
So maybe if they find one person with drugs, or suspect drugs from a dog response- they take the cars in the next lanes too in case they are a team.
Or maybe you were tee'd off and had a conversation in your car at secondary they "overheard" that made them want to look at you some more- or just
mess with you a bit. Or maybe the car had passed back and forth to Mexico in a pattern they didn't like.
I took it all in as educational- wasn't in a hurry and wasn't really upset (except I wished I had brought a paper from the vendor to read while
waiting- instead of using the time to clean out my glove box). I don't think you will ever know the answer as to why you were treated badly. It
could be a combination of a dozen things that had little to do with you. Them damaging your car isn't good- but I saw one inspector who must have
been 350 pounds- and him getting into your car could have broken off the steering wheel- not just a turn signal lever.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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I have seen this happen at the border inspection in Las Cruces, New Mexico. The car 4 cars ahead of us was stopped, the driver and passenger removed
in handcuffs and brought into the inspection building, and then the car dismantled while the rest of us waited to get through. They weren't gently
about it either. Ripped the crap out of that thing! They did find what they were looking for; several wrapped bundles that they tore out from under
the floor in the trunk. I was amazed. How did they know? I didn't notice any dogs until AFTER the occupants of the car were removed. I also wondered
what they would do if they DIDN'T find anything...hmmm...probably say, whoops, sorry. And this was the USBP. Can definitely say that I was nervous
that they would stop us, seeing as we were driving a giant U-Haul, with a car inside, and towing another vehicle. But they didn't.
We've only gone through secondary once coming in and once going out. Both times the BP (on both sides) were very nice. The Mexican guys were even
pretty funny. They only stopped us because we didn't stop at the stop sign leaving immigration and gave my husband quite a hard time about "not
understanding English" as the stop sign clearly said STOP!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It's just so heartwarming to see how this is all working so well. Osama has not made it across the Mexican border. Oh. But, he's got to be laughing
his culo off at how much he has changed our way of life. |
I'm sure he's laughing from his bed on the dirt floor deep inside of a cold cave in Pakistan, where cannot even communicate directly with his family
because the CIA would send a missile up his burro and soon as the turned on a cell phone.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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