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Gypsy Jan
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It's Easier to Train Dogs Than People
Many years ago we were chatting with a lady who lived in Pescador. She made a remark, quite casually, that in the last week all the dogs in her campo
died. And then she said that several homes there were robbed in the next few days.
Needless to say, this seriously freaked us out. We have trained our dogs to refuse food from anyone but ourselves, using mild electric shock. This
may not be to your taste. (Oops, bad pun warning!)
Here is a discussion on the subject about training your dog to drop food on verbal command:
http://www.dogster.com/forums/Behavior_and_Training/thread/6...
[Edited on 3-11-2010 by Gypsy Jan]
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\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
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Debra
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Nan, ,Beat any animal, you will make an aggresive animal.........that is just plain idiotic! cruel and wicked! He should be arrested! Postmen, meter
readers or UPS delivery people are people that come baning on your door, never invited in, so if you have a dog worth his salt he will protect, in my
HMOP if you have any sense you will intorduce those people that come to your house on a regular schedule to your pet and give them a treat (not people
foodl Milk Bone or whatever so that the dog knows that this person is welcome and not a danger to the family)
Mean people suck!
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Nan&
In another previous career, I was a gas meter reader.
Well trained in dog behavior, and appropriate defense. At dog school, there was an example given of a co-worker giving treats to the dogs on his
route as a friendly gesture. One gas client responded by beating his dog for accepting food from a stranger. Yikes, but true. |
The way people poison their neighbors nuisance dogs down here with anti-freeze injected in meat- I'm not surprised. Beating is way too severe and
never acceptable. I have bitten the ears of and growled at my dogs though (something they understand as pack animals).
We don't allow our dogs to eat anything they find on the beach or fed from others either. We don't make a big scene- we just say "yuck" or "drop" and
that works. Our dogs get great food, pig ears and treats- the "beach buffet" just doesn't work for their digestive systems and makes "picking up"
after them more than a simple plastic bag thing.
We do save our people-food scraps for the street dogs though and always have a bowl of fresh water at the front door for them. Our dogs get really
upset when we give other dogs the good-smelling stuff... but that's why they are the dogs and we are the guardians.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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You might have it backwards
Are you sure than the subject title shouldn't read, "The environment is harmful to dogs?”
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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Nan&D
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Most dogs would respond favorably to being given a treat. But, it was against company policy, for many of the reasons that we are reading about here.
In my earlier example, the owner wanted a dog that would be aggressive to strangers, and was training as he saw fit.
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Nan&D
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Example of non-aggressive behavior.
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Let them eat cake!
Or something like that. Tocino too!
If we ever see the gate I can't help but thinking that we'll be met by someone in a who farted hat asking what the hell was wrong with you!
Lionel
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BajaBruno
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Thanks, DianaT---tomorrow there are chocolate treats for my wife's damn beagle.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Many years ago we were chatting with a lady who lived in Pescador. She made a remark, quite casually, that in the last week all the dogs in her campo
died. And then she said that several homes there were robbed in the next few days.
Needless to say, this seriously freaked us out. We have trained our dogs to refuse food from anyone but ourselves, using mild electric shock. This
may not be to your taste. (Oops, bad pun warning!)
Here is a discussion on the subject about training your dog to drop food on verbal command:
http://www.dogster.com/forums/Behavior_and_Training/thread/6...
[Edited on 3-11-2010 by Gypsy Jan] |
A small battery powered fence charger is the best way to train your dog
not to eat anything that is not from their bowl. I learned this method years ago from the Kohler Method dog training manual. Leave tasty morsels
around for them wired to the charger, they learn very quickly that anything not in their bowl is likely to be unpleasant.
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wessongroup
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after effects
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
As I type this ..Cedrik the Beach has come to offer her apologies.
Furthermore, she has promised to lower her carbon footprint. As soon as she finds out what the hell it is.
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And I thought the carbon foot print, was that pile they left... 
And Pompano, your absouletly correct about the ..... I'm sorry for the mess I left.. they do at times get the "quick step" from some of that eating of
spicy food... but, like me.. they come back for more... and seem no worse for the wear... and your pups picture is great as is all your others...
thanks for sharing all.... makes my day 
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Many years ago we were chatting with a lady who lived in Pescador. She made a remark, quite casually, that in the last week all the dogs in her campo
died. And then she said that several homes there were robbed in the next few days.
Needless to say, this seriously freaked us out. We have trained our dogs to refuse food from anyone but ourselves, using mild electric shock. This
may not be to your taste. (Oops, bad pun warning!)
Here is a discussion on the subject about training your dog to drop food on verbal command:
http://www.dogster.com/forums/Behavior_and_Training/thread/6...
[Edited on 3-11-2010 by Gypsy Jan] |
A small battery powered fence charger is the best way to train your dog
not to eat anything that is not from their bowl. I learned this method years ago from the Kohler Method dog training manual. Leave tasty morsels
around for them wired to the charger, they learn very quickly that anything not in their bowl is likely to be unpleasant. |
We use this four dog electronic system from Dogtra- intended for hunting dogs. Waterproof, rechargeable and you can use a light or a heavy "touch".
When the dogs see the collars- they know a long beach walk is coming and wait in line to get them put on. They don't associate them with the
correction shocks at all, and we rarely go higher than a "3" on a scale of 1 to 8. Might not work on smart dogs though- we have labs.
http://www.dogtra.com/
[Edited on 3-11-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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wessongroup
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Dogs dying
44 lb dog could experience distress after eating 8.5 oz of dark chocolate or
1.1 Pounds of milk chocolate which might cause bradycardia, or tachyarrhythmia
Bakers chocolate .02 oz/lb will cause “symptoms”
Overall chocolate candies contain 1.4-2.1 g/kg
Dark chocolate or baker’s chocolate >14 g/kg
The concern over a dog “dying” from eating chocolate is much over stated
Just about everything is Toxic at some level; it’s all about the dosage to weight ratio and the ability to detoxify a particular chemical substance by
an animals and/or plants metabolism
Used to share my Halloween candy with my dogs as a kid… they never, ever died.. but then I didn't give them as much as I got…
[Edited on 3-11-2010 by wessongroup]
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El Camote
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www.wifetra.com?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
We use this four dog electronic system from Dogtra- intended for hunting dogs. Waterproof, rechargeable and you can use a light or a heavy "touch".
When the dogs see the collars- they know a long beach walk is coming and wait in line to get them put on. They don't associate them with the
correction shocks at all, and we rarely go higher than a "3" on a scale of 1 to 8. Might not work on smart dogs though- we have labs.
http://www.dogtra.com/
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Put some shiny bangles and gems on the collar, rename it a necklace and it may just deter those compulsive runs to Nordstroms. Just brainstormin'.
Knowledge is good. - Emil Faber
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I was with my wife in a sporting goods store and we noticed that they had dog collars with a GPS locator on them, I suggested that it would be a good
way for me to find her when we go shopping. She was less than amused.
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Pompano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by El Camote
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
We use this four dog electronic system from Dogtra- intended for hunting dogs. Waterproof, rechargeable and you can use a light or a heavy
"touch"..... Might not work on smart dogs though- we have labs.
http://www.dogtra.com/
[Edited on 3-11-2010 by Woooosh] |
Put some shiny bangles and gems on the collar, rename it a necklace and it may just deter those compulsive runs to Nordstroms. Just brainstormin'.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
I was with my wife in a sporting goods store and we noticed that they had dog collars with a GPS locator on them, I suggested that it would be a good
way for me to find her when we go shopping. She was less than amused. |
BE VERY CAREFUL HERE, BOYS...YOU ARE IN DANGEROUS WATERS. TRUST ME ON THIS.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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El Camote
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If Vinnie was a married man, I have full confidence he would take pity on my soul.
You're right, pomp, I should be careful. I don't want to ruin my chances for the neuticles I was promised.
Besides, SWMBO is in Montana for the week and there isn't internet connection that far north yet....is there? 
Knowledge is good. - Emil Faber
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
I was with my wife in a sporting goods store and we noticed that they had dog collars with a GPS locator on them, I suggested that it would be a good
way for me to find her when we go shopping. She was less than amused. |
I set the houselhold up for a "Family locator" service from Nextel. Tells me within 20 feet where she is on a map without her even knowing- so long as
the phone is on. Nobody here would tell on me- right? 
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Woooosh
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I have to say- Nomads have some beautiful dogs.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Roger,
Go share this to Raven Research West (Gary) on the camping beach parked under the mangrove trees. He's always talking about the impact dog's have on
the beach. He's always out there patrolling the dogs and letting the owners know where they sh-t on the beach.
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Gypsy Jan
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Woosh
I had the same thought myself. Nomads have beautiful dogs.
GJ
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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