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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
"The pink slip is the most valuable part of that vehicle"
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All I meant by that is, don't give it up to anybody.
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Bob and Susan
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give it up...its ONLY a paper and is EASILY replaced ($15)
its like a passport...its only a paper
or a license...its only plastic
the real value...is it real and in place
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MitchMan
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Hi Bob and Susan, I agree with your assessment.
Official paper documents are presumed by law to be highly regarded "evidence". For instance, ownership of real estate is evidenced by a title
document. The title document will hold up in court under most circumstances, unless there is quality proof of its lack of veracity or validity.
That's the way it is with legal documents, they are considered "good" proof, but actual real facts and circumstances that actually show the actual
"truth" are considered superior. That goes for any so called legal documents such as title documents, birth certificates, etc.
The point is, is that what is shown in court to be real and actual is what untimately prevails in a court of law. Legal documents can be good proof,
but if there is other qualifying proof (that holds up under legal examination) that evidences something other than the representations of a document,
then that other qualifying proof will prevail over the document. Again, that goes for any so called legal documents such as title documents, birth
certificates, etc.
That said, in the absence of other proof, the pink slip to my car is a very valuable document and the highest form of proof I have, and I don't agree
with surrendering that document to anyone in Mexico.
My real problem is finding out the proper way to junk this California plated vehicle in Baja so that I am free of liability under any and all
circumstances pursuant to Mexican law. That's the question that I have to get definitevely answered at this point.
[Edited on 2-26-2010 by MitchMan]
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woody with a view
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My real problem is finding out the proper way to junk this California plated vehicle in Baja so that I am free of liability under any and all
circumstances pursuant to Mexican law.
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ghost-ride it off the highest cliff you can find. that outta take care of all your worries.
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postholedigger
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I work in the car business. You need to get the signature of whoever you sell it to, on the release of liability slip attached to the top of the
certificate of title. Fill this form out and send or deliver it to the DMV (plates usually stay with the car. Not necessary to surrender the plates to
the DMV as in the NE states). Failure to do this can result in the finger pointing back to you if the car turns up later on in the legal system.
Filling out the release of liability leaves a paper trail at the DMV that will point any further inquiries about the car to the purchaser, and away
from you.
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MitchMan
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Thanks Postholedigger. Since I have to dispose of the vehicle in Baja, I don't think that I will leave the California license plates with the car.
In fact, DMV told me to bring the plates back to them together with the completed release of liability form. I noted that on that form, there is only
a line for the new owner's name and address, but not a signature line. The new owner's signature is not required.
But, again, the real question that I have is with the legal procedure IN BAJA and with regard to existing Mexican legal requirements. I can't believe
that this is first time that an American will be disposing a California plated car in the Baja. I know that it has happened many times before. I
just want to know the exact legal procedure. Anyone?
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
ghost-ride it off the highest cliff you can find. that outta take care of all your worries. |
Just make sure you get out first.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
ghost-ride it off the highest cliff you can find. that outta take care of all your worries. |
Just make sure you get out first. |
Come to think of it, if you stay put that would really take care of your worries.
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TMW
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Stop by an auto insurance office or the police department or Federal highway patrol office and see what they say. If you speak spanish the Federales
will talk to you in legal terms that they won't in english.
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MitchMan
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Update!
Will at Montana Yonke won't take the car because it is CA plated. He said his Yonke yard gets checked electronically (by some gov't guy with a
"reader" device) every three months for NON Mexican plated cars. He said that CA DMV gave the Mexican gov't the list of all Calif registered vin #s
and that the reader can dedect on CA plated car instantly, and that is illegal for Will to have that in his yard.
Apparently, the only thing that I can do with my car is to make sure that I junk it for parts only. If a Mexican citizen gets my truck and fixes it
and uses it on the road, he and I will be in big trouble, so I've been told.
That's all fine and dandy, except How on earth do I make sure that someone won't fix the car and use it? Apparently, there are no specific legal
steps that I can take in order to free myself of ALL liability if I junk it for parts but someone fixes and uses the car on the road instead.
I guess the lesson here is if you bring a US pated car to Baja, make sure that you keep it in good enough condition to get it back to the states to
junk it.
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bajaguy
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Rent a Cat D-8 from somebody and give it a decent burial
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Debra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Rent a Cat D-8 from somebody and give it a decent burial |
Please don't......Huge no-no, litter problem.
Seems the best thing to releave yourself of this problem is to mail in the bottom portion of you "pink" slip don't know about Ca. but in Wa. when you
sell a car or give it away there is a bottom portion that you mail to the DMV getting you off the hook for liaibilty......I would also worry that
some genius Mexican wil get that baby back on the road and then you would be screwed.
Mean people suck!
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bajaguy
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Debra....wouldn't be litter if it was put in a hole about 6 feet deep then covered up
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
mail in the bottom portion of you "pink" slip don't know about Ca. but in Wa. when you sell a car or give it away there is a bottom portion that you
mail to the DMV getting you off the hook for liaibilty |
Same in Ca.
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