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MitchMan
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Fandango,
Good point, one would expect that if the DMV didn't get notified by a US auto insurance carrier (in the event you do not have US coverage) and thereby
invalidates your registration (in spite of your being in possession of ostensibly current registration tags), that the DMV would notify you of their
invalidating your registration.
The fact that the DMV doesn't/didn't notify you doesn't, in and of itself, mean that you have a valid registration. Their notifying you of their
cancelation of your registration is not a requirement for them. They can cancel your registration even if they don't notify you.
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pacside
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fandango
i registered my baja truck at AAA this morning.
i presented the renewal form, copy of mex insurance, statement of facts.
paid and left with registration and new tag. |
Ditto for me this morning. Took all of 2 minutes.
I was considering paying for and providing CA liability insurance but I thought I would try with the mx insurance first. The AAA lady said mx
insurance will suffice as they will notify DMV that I provided "proof of insurance"...I assume she meant they do not specify it is MX insurance just
that I provided proof. My concern was that if I didn't have CA liab insurance then my registration would be invalidated as a previous poster
mentioned.
My DMV renewal notice said I was required to provide smog certificate and liability insurance. AAA accepted the statement of facts stating vehicle was
out of CA (thus no smog required) and mx insurance as liability ins. So at this point not sure why folks go the South Dakota route if they are able to
just pay the CA fees. Are South Dakota renewal fees less expensive? I paid $147usd for CA dmv reg renewal. Also, a bare bones CA liability insurance
quote from Wawanesa was $147 per year but as stated previously I did not purchase it as it seems at this point it wasn't needed. By the way is $147 a
fair price for minimum CA liability insurance in case I do need to buy this in the future?
Oh one more thing, I cancelled my CA insurance on this vehicle that is in Baja several months ago and still received my renewal notice but it did
request I provide proof of liability insurance. So using deductive reasoning I assume they received the electronic communication from my CA insurance
company of the cancellation but did not invalidate my registration but did require proof of liab ins for new tags.
Hope this info helps.
pacside
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bajalou
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SD it would probably be 30-40 bucks and no worries about canceling because of no Insurance or smog cert.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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fandango
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glad it went well pacside. and really glad you didn't buy the calif liability.
my truck is a 1981 and the calif registration fee was 92.00, which i thought was a tad high. my mex liability is 108.00. i would also like to know
what the s. dakota registration fee is. is that fee based on the year of the vehicle?
what year is your mex car?
on edit: i see bajalou answered regarding the fee. thats a substantial savings.
bajalou: how do they set the fee? by value, year?
[Edited on 5-26-2010 by fandango]
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pacside
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fandango
glad it went well pacside. and really glad you didn't buy the calif liability.
my truck is a 1981 and the calif registration fee was 92.00, which i thought was a tad high. my mex liability is 108.00. i would also like to know
what the s. dakota registration fee is. is that fee based on the year of the vehicle?
what year is your mex car?
on edit: i see bajalou answered regarding the fee. thats a substantial savings.
bajalou: how do they set the fee? by value, year?
[Edited on 5-26-2010 by fandango] |
Thanks fandango and thanks for explaining your experience...it really did help me in this process.
My car in baja is a 1994 Ford F150. My mx insurance price is about the same...maybe a bit more than yours..i can't remember and don't have it in front
of me.
For about $100 more a year I'm ok having CA current tags (as opposed to SD tags) as it matches my CA drivers license...although not sure that really
matters.
pacside
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bajalou
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They have a schedule by year and model - expect that translates to estimated value. My 93 Bronco is $40.50 a year. My 86 Bronco II is about $30 I
think (don't have the renewal right here).
On a side note - I was stopped for speeding a couple days ago (42 in a 35) and the officer didn't even comment on my AZ drivers license and SD
registration using a Calif address. After we talked about the fact I knew the speed limits and tried to adhere, he just told me to keep it down and
have a good day. Oh - this happened in NM.
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In dealing with CA DMV and AAA it is fine but be prepared that they may not give you tags. Better to be secure in registering in another state at a
thrid of the cost that CA charges without the smog check requirement. Since CA refuses to work with us and our baja lifestyles then I feel I should
not give them a penny and waste my time trying to figure out to maybe not pay them. Just register it of state.
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El Camote
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FWIW, I believe S.D. does go by vehicle weight, to some degree, to set their fees. I looked into registering a moho there and it was close to or
higher than CA
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pacside
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| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
In dealing with CA DMV and AAA it is fine but be prepared that they may not give you tags. Better to be secure in registering in another state at a
thrid of the cost that CA charges without the smog check requirement. Since CA refuses to work with us and our baja lifestyles then I feel I should
not give them a penny and waste my time trying to figure out to maybe not pay them. Just register it of state. |
Good point slimshady. This was my first encounter with AAA and renewing a baja vehicle. Had I encountered what you did I was prepared to go the SD
route.
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pacside
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CA Vehicle Reg Renewal Update
Thought I'd give you all an update on this years experience.
Baja based Ford F-150 '94 beater required registration renewal. This is what I did last year and was successful; went to local AAA office, completed
affidavit of it being out of state and checking box it was in MX thus exempting it from smog requirement, paid renewal fee, showed proof of mx auto
insurance and out the door with tags and updated registration.
Fast forward to this year; went into same AAA office. Lady says 'this is a company vehicle, AAA can no longer renew company vehicles. She said she
could change from company to personal but would need to see my title. For some dumb reason my title is in the glove compartment of the vehicle in
Baja. She said I'd have to go to the DMV to do all this without title.
Doing errands and saw another AAA office on my way to the DMV. Thought I'll try again...explained my situation to the counter guy (friendlier, spoke
Spanish and very clued in), he said he could change the title to my personal name (I had all my paperwork proving truck was mine with company info
etc) for a small fee, had me complete the affidavit of truck being out of state BUT said don't check box that it is in MX. Paid my renewal fee and
left with new tags and renewed registration. A week later I received an updated title in my name. As I was leaving the AAA office I said here is my MX
auto insurance as you need to provide this to the DMV. Counter guy said no not necessary when changing title...I pressed him knowing DMV needed proof
of insurance. I knew this would be a problem.
Received a notice from DMV a couple weeks ago (renewed in June) titled "NOTICE OF INTENT TO SUSPEND" due to no record of insurance  .
In bold it says "Unless acceptable evidence of liability insurance is provided by the date shown above, the Department will suspend registration
pursuant to California Vehicle Code Section 4000.38.
It then lists various acceptable evidence of liability insurance with #5 saying "A copy of a Mexico resident insurance policy (only valid for coverage
of residents of Mexico with the registered owner address being in Mexico).
Well I have liability coverage through Bajabound which I think is only tourist coverage so I don't think this would qualify.
Any suggestions on companies that offer inexpensive liability only coverage in CA? Or should I try to submit my MX insurance and see if that works?
Don't think I should as the AAA counter guy seemed to feel that I don't need to (and shouldn't) check that it is in MX to avoid the smog certificate
only that it is NOT in CA.
I think it may be time for that other option (one of the Dakota states...can't remember which one but I know there is a ton of info on this forum to
go that route).
Thanks for any suggestions on liability only policies. This is due by Sep 19th to the DMV.
pacside
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J.P.
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I went through the drill. Ca.Regsteration with a Ensenada physical adress. the said I would recive no comunications with Ca. Much to my suprise last
week hanging on my gate with the Telnor bill was the Ca.renewal notice. mailed Aug.3 arrived Ensenada Aug.17 on my gate Aug.30 best part no smog
req.
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BajaDanD
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I live in Prescott Az. here you dont need smog cert. and you can register your vehicle for 5 years
Used to live in Calif. DMV was always a hassel.
Here I just bought 2 vehicles last month registered them both with no smog and no proof of Ins. Took about 20 minutes at the MVD
They are talking about starting to require Smog sometime in the near future but I hope not.
AZ is a little closer then SD
[Edited on 9-8-2011 by BajaDanD]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pacside
Bob and Susan,
I feel your pain. I realize you speak from personal experience. Thanks for the helpful info and warnings.
The CA DMV has a "Statement of Facts" form. Some have been successful in renewing their CA registration annually by completing the form stating truck
is in mx, showing CA DMV proof of mx insurance and also stating truck will not be back in california. I will try this and let everyone know how it
goes.
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I leave a CA registered truck in Mulege - for renewal I go to the local Auto Club and fill out a statement of fact and am issued the registration tag
with no smog check. I bring my Mexican insurance papers and my FM-3 - I have never had anyone even look at them though. I have been led to believe
that using the statement of fact depends on how far from the US border the truck is kept. I do maintain CA insurance on the truck and have driven the
truck north several times over the years it has been in Mulege. Hope this helps, Jim
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CP
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Last year going through this the CA DMV said I needed to change my residence address to MX to get out of the CA Insurance and Smog requirement. It
worked fine. Mailing address remained in CA.
Prior to that last year, they accepted the statement of fact for two years.
This was all via US mail.
PS: I quoted the section/paragraph # from the DMV reg book (I found PDFed online) on the Statement of Fact that said the MX residence address says no
Ca ins and smog required. That made it less of a clerk-knowledge chance of issue.
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