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The news up north
All I hear from anyone up here is how bad things are in Baja! My brother tells me how he was shaken down for a few bucks by the local cops (OVER 30
YEARS AGO). I have even run one of those out of eye sight stop signs and paid a few bucks. Every few days in our local paper there are stories about
the crime in Mexico. When they get to how they are cutting off people's heads or frying people in acid it gets to seem pretty brutal. But,
generally, these types of things happen to narco guys and bum cops.
Over the years the Mexico I knew changed. You can see it with all the huge houses and the condo towers that are all over the place. We're not in
Newport beach Toto!! The people that are in love with this new changed Mexico never really loved the place for what it was/is in the first place in
my opinion. They should have never come down.
I really love going to Baja and am happy that others are afraid to come down. It is getting back to be more of the place I love and cherish again.
Certainly, I will be careful to the extent possible to avoid a bad situation. I do think that even where I live NOB you have to avoid certain
situations.
My feeling is go to Baja, enjoy yourself and don't listen to the nay sayers that have either never gone or were there more than 30 years ago. I just
LOVE Mexico and will continue to go and have a great time enjoying the place.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
So Today's Frontera is a month off on their crime reporting... that adds confidence.  |
It doesn't look as though they're just getting around to printing the story. It looks more like it took them this long to figure it out.
Here a google translation:
On the evening of Wednesday, 19 May 2008 the Central Radio Rosarito Beach received a report of a quadruple murder occurred on a country road in the
area of Morro Canyon.
Moved to the place of state police officers and staff of the Department of Expert Services of the Attorney General of the State (PGJE).
After an eventful trip up a winding and uneven dirt road made it to the point that indicated the report where they found the bodies of two men in the
back seat of a Cadillac sedan, green, four-door with California plates 5RSY361.
These were identified as Francisco Javier Zavala García, alias El Pancho and Juan José Olivares Cervantes, also known as The Lumpy.
The car was crashed into a group of branches and trees arranged along the dirt road and had been shot in the front, hood and windshield, plus the two
doors and rear windows.
Lying on the ground, the researchers traced the other two bodies, the first was that of a man who was about 40 meters from the vehicle, 20 meters,
approximately, was that of a woman.
She was identified as Craig Ginna Libey, a U.S. citizen, while the body is located a few yards behind turned out to be that of Antonio Virgen
Castañeda, alias El Kilo, who shortly thereafter in the course of the investigation would know who was the girlfriend foreign youth.
The four bodies apparently had several injuries caused by firearms and by presenting a state of decomposition, forensic experts found that her death
had occurred at least four days earlier.
Because night had fallen agents temporarily suspend the investigation determined; again the next day well-armed and better organized then as it is a
rural area did not know with what could be found, they were days when related violence organized crime had left a long trail of death, including
several elements of the various police forces.
In the morning the agents returned to the scene for evidence of what happened in this place and clues that might indicate the direction it should take
the investigation to find the murderers.
The next day, Thursday May 20, 2008, agents of expert researchers and returned accompanied by the Mexican Army and conducted a reinspection of the
site.
Now with the light of day they were able to place caps
.380 casings near the points at which the day before the bodies were found lying between men and women who had allegedly attempted to escape.
After carefully reviewing the Cadillac vehicle which allegedly carrying at least three men and women killed, the ministry reported that police
apparently were not armed, while the expert staff also determined that there were indications that some of them had triggered a firearm.
With this information the agents returned to the premises of the Attorney in Rosarito Beach where they realized that the information obtained so far
was not sufficient to determine the possible course of events in which these four persons had been killed, making it who agreed to perform the next
day a new reinspection, this time larger, the site where the bodies were found.
Formulate hypothesis
For the third consecutive day on Friday, investigators went to the May 21 scene where about 100 meters from the crime scene, on the bumpy dirt road
six shell casings were found, four of them were .223 caliber, commonly weapons used in the AR-15, the other two were a .380 caliber weapon.
In the same way found in the bushes in a ski mask, presumably used by the attackers and two empty magazines .380.
The points at the agents were able to locate the percussive shots allowed them to get an idea of what happened the day the crime was committed, some
were found on the local road and the other a few meters ahead but at the side of the path.
In determining the trajectory of the impacts received by the vehicle found about 100 meters behind in carrying the now deceased, the police logaron
determine a first hypothesis.
The vehicle carrying the deceased had reached the point where according to evidence gathered so far could assume that at least two people were
attacked: In front on the road was located the AR-15 carrier whose bullets hit the hood and windshield, side, another gunman had opened fire with 380
against the two men riding in the back.
The agents conclude that the attack, but surprisingly, had time to Kilo, Cadillac driver, backing up and trying to escape from the site of aggression
making a stretch of road back to the point where the car was located.
On the traces of blood found on the wheel and other parts of the place occupied by the driver it was determined that he was wounded when the vehicle
hit the bushes.
Apparently this was not a bar to the Kilo down the car, like the Liby who accompanied him in the place of co-pilot, and tried to escape the bullets
penetrating through the bushes.
However, it was evident that they had managed to evade his attackers as the bodies of two were found near the vehicle.
They had long tail
That same night through the Police Liaison Office would be achieved by establishing with the U.S. authorities found the vehicle was registered by a
citizen of that country named Daniel Evans Laporte.
It was known also by these means that the four people killed had criminal records related to drugs and robbery with violence in the United States
where they had been deported after serving their sentences.
Days later, on June 2 that year, a man identified as John Harrison Eppick appeared before the PGJE to bring a report Laporte Evans location and the
loss of a Cadillac vehicle he was driving at the time of his disappearance.
With this information the researchers begin to weave an intricate story that relates seemingly unrelated facts, but ultimately ended up making a huge
scope puzzle that none of them imagined
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Bajahowodd
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The original post of this thread involved tourism. Namely, a camping trip to Baja. As the thread developed, it became clear that some ex-pats take a
differing view from the typical US tourist. Fact is that US residents visiting Mexico total over 22 million per year. By virtue of their numbers, it
is their experience that drive US media in reporting stories about crime SOB. And, there has been a long standing belief, or attitude by so many US
tourist that their behavior won't be held to the same standards as when they are NOB; just inviting themselves to be crime victims. So, while crime
rates may be higher involving ex-pats, the reporting of such crimes in Mexico is less than current and accurate. Leaving such crimes aside for the
moment, given that there are so many individual trips to Mexico by US tourists annually, IMHO, while a modicum of common sense is advised, people are
missing a wonderful opportunity to encounter the pleasures of this wonderful country, if they are dissuaded by the US press reports.
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chnlisle
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Moral of the story: Don't hang out in Rosarito with someone whose nickname is "Kilo" |
Moral of this story: Don't have dinner in the wrong place at the wrong time. Perhaps the geniuses here who keep telling us all we need to do is be
wary of our surroundings would explain to us in some detail how poor Bobby Salcedo should have been more cautious while having dinner with his family
is a family restaurant. What were the warning signs that he missed?
| Quote: | El Monte school board member killed in Mexico was in 'wrong place at the wrong time,' ex-police chief says
El Monte residents paid tribute today to a 33-year-old school board member who was abducted and killed in Mexico, with one city leader saying he
believes Agustin Roberto “Bobby” Salcedo was an innocent victim of the country's drug war.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/school-board-m... |
Hey, El Monte is right next to East L.A. If Bobby had dinner at Tamayo's instead, he would still be alive.
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BajaBlanca
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I must say .... I feel we are very lucky ...we feel so safe here - keys left ignition, only lock doors at night ..... but ..... you only want to camp
on the beach, which is remote, if there is at least another camper there. We did have a horrid incident with 2 men who were camping on the beach, and
scuttlebutt has it that drugs were involved. The other couple who were down the way, never heard a thing ... There are other places to camp which are
visited by the guards or "vigilantes" all night long which might be safe and really, are even more beautiful places.
So, in the 4 years we have been here - one violent crime - that has to be a pretty good statistic, no ????
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I must say .... I feel we are very lucky ...we feel so safe here - keys left ignition, only lock doors at night ..... but ..... you only want to camp
on the beach, which is remote, if there is at least another camper there. We did have a horrid incident with 2 men who were camping on the beach, and
scuttlebutt has it that drugs were involved. The other couple who were down the way, never heard a thing ... There are other places to camp which are
visited by the guards or "vigilantes" all night long which might be safe and really, are even more beautiful places.
So, in the 4 years we have been here - one violent crime - that has to be a pretty good statistic, no ???? |
Please elaborate on the violent crime? what happened?
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edm1
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Me Too ! It's a town of a completely different color.
But then, I haven't been to San Bernardino in about Five years.
Made it as far as Redlands a couple of years back. |
Bashing Baja I think is like bashing San Berdo. I lived in San Berdo for more than 30 years, without any incident on my person, family or property,
and I lived in a secluded place within the city limits.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I have a problem with the link. Thanks anyway. |
OK....I was just roamin' around elsewhere and I found it. Thanks.
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Woooosh
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yeah, what bajahowodd said.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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The Gull
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Crime involving US Tourists on Vacation
I'll tell you of crime involving US tourists. In any major Baja town, go to the pool area of a major hotel on the weekend and see the obese and
tatooed low lifes from the US who visit Baja forcing themselves in all nature of beachwear that could be worn by someone 1/2 their size. Now we are
talking crime.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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