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cjesme
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I would never live all closed in either, but I do want some kind of personal protection when out and about by myself. Pepper spray sounds the best. I
am not afraid of Mexico or its people. There are good and bad every where. Just a little protection either in CA or Baja is a good idea!
Carlita and Esteban
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MsTerieus
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Dear All: Thanks very much for all the creative suggestions!
Old Lady: I appreciated your advice, particularly. You make a good point about most invaders not being pros. (Still, I would not want to count on
my being capable of beating him up; I'm a wimp.)
Lee: Thanks for expressing my views, exactly: Regardless of the amount of adrenaline running in her veins, I would not bet on an average-sized woman
being able to get the advantage over an average sized man, even with a machete or bat. The invader's adrenaline could be pumped up too.
Bajaguy -- About the green laser: does it only do damage when aimed at the eyes? Or is the idea just to freak out the invader???
MsT
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Cypress
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About the flare modification? What happened to that post? Maybe it was on another topic? Curious?
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The Delivery
The Delivery
My uncle Judd moved to Mexico many moons ago. He was always a little quirky so the family was not surprised. He bought a lot in south central Baja
California in a little town right on the beach. Had a house built there, hauled down a boat and a trailer full of stuff and hunkered down to fish and
vegetate. I meant to go down there, visit with him, see the place, maybe go fishing but I’ve been busy up here in the states and just never got around
to it until now.
My dad had some guns that belonged to uncle Judd and when I inherited all my dad’s hunting and fishing stuff I really wasn’t sure which was which.
Then Judd sent me some Emails with serial numbers and I was able to match up three of them. He said he wanted me to drive down, bring the guns, do
some fishing. I asked him if I would get in trouble if the Mexicans found the guns in my car and he assured me that the letter he was going to send
me, giving specific permission, would be enough to satisfy them. It looked official enough but I don’t read Spanish so I really don’t know what the
hell it said.
Looks like ole Judd really knows his way around down there because I had no trouble getting in – I hid the guns and ammo in a safe place in the truck,
got the green light and was on my way. The kids with the automatic weapons spooked me a little at the military stops but, again, Judd had clued me in
and there was no trouble on the road. So two days and nights and I found my way to Judd’s place. It was just after dusk. He sent me several maps and I
had his cell number; I called him a bunch of times on the trip but there was no answer.
It would have been hard for me not to recognize the house because Judd had sent me some pix in Email messages so I knew I had the right house. Bunch
of lights came on when I parked near the huge metal gate. There was a high wall around the whole property and more lights shined off the party colored
bits of broken bottles cemented all along the top.
Then I heard “Butch, is that you? Go back to the truck and honk three times, then turn the truck lights off, walk back to the gate stand in the circle
of light.”
So I did and after a minute or two he came out and let me in. We opened the big gate and I swung the truck into his big garage. The house was big, two
stories with big steel doors and bars on all the windows. As I followed him into the living area, as we passed down a hall, through a small atrium
with a fountain he stopped and put some weapons back into little hiding places.
“Judd, I’ve been calling you off and on for two days. No answer.”
“Sorry Butch, I ran out of minutes and I’ve been so busy here I just didn’t have time to go get more time on the cell phone.”
“What’s with all the lights and security, the hidden guns, have you been robbed, burglarized?”
“Nope, just better to be safe than sorry. I’ve got stuff all over. Near the rear door and the garage door I’ve got some weapons handy, some mace, wasp
spray. I got most of the stuff down here but the ammo is really hard to come by.”
“I didn’t know the cartels were active this far down. Most of the news about the kidnappings and killings says they are along the border and in some
places on the mainland.”
“Well Butch, we don’t have much protection down here. The police are a joke and bad guys can just roam up and down the peninsula without being
noticed, then strike any rich gringo they see who hasn’t protected himself properly.”
“But what about when you’re out and about? You don’t stay in the house all the time. You must go out to fish, visit friends, go shopping, buy things
for the house, stuff to maintain the place, the cars, and the boat.”
“Yeah but when I do leave, I have some weapons in the vehicles, some mace, some pepper spray and the house is really buttoned up tight.”
“Uncle Judd, all that sounds like a lot of trouble, a real pain in the butt. And who writes you a nice official letter if you get caught with those
guns? Can’t they lock you up for that, deport you, maybe take the house?”
He got us both a beer from the fridge and we sat down on his big leather couch in the great room. “It’s a little risky but I’m used to it and it’s
worth it to me just to be living down here in paradise.”
We didn’t go fishing. In fact, after coffee the next morning I told my uncle I had to get back, had some work I left unfinished. By the time he
unlocked and deactivated and unsecured the place enough for me to get my truck back outside the big steel gate I was more than ready to head back up
the highway.
Some paradise. He can have it. Anybody lives like that on purpose is just one taquito shy of a Mexican combo. Maybe when Judd decided this was the
place to retire, he didn’t look at other options.
[Edited on 7-18-2010 by Osprey]
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MsTerieus
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Good story! Thanks,Osprey. 
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dtbushpilot
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Good story Jorge.....dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
It all sounds a bit much? Most suggestions came from my walled in Mexican friends, some of their homes are liked armed camps.
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I agree most the mexicans I know don't mess around when it comes to personal protection. The new home I am getting ready to build will be fortified,
with bared windows and heavy steel doors. .
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 barred windows and heavy steel doors??????
that is sad. if you need bars and walls and steel doors to feel comfortable, you need to relocate. here in san diego we have no walls or gates and
have had but maybe 1 burglary in neighorhood in 5 years. it's safe, no one has bars on windows, no one worries about arming themselves,...
if you are so worried about crime in mexico, you should move back to the states. if you want to live in rural low-crime community, there are many to
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There is a big difference between san diego and the eastcape. The biggest being communication. We have no phones, no cell service, no police presence
for months at a time...no one to turn to for help if/when there's an emergency.
In the last year there have been something like 20 robberies on the eastcape. A security guy got his head cut off, a plane was stolen....etc. Our
home was also robbed, my buddies home twice, once when he went out fishing in the boat for a couple of hours. My truck has been broken into as well.
Last week there were a handfull of robberies in La Ribera.
We live in an area with no police, no phones, nothing or nobody to rely on besides yourself. In the summer it is empty, empty houses, no people
besides a few locals and a random tourist.
The idea of a home invasion out here is scary. You are on your own. If someone wants to come in, You had best be ready to defend yourself...period....
you are it..there is no one else to rely on.
If this happened in Buena Vista, where it is fairly well populated, has lights, phones, cops..etc....all of which we have none of. This is also the
main reason why I love it on the eastcape.
I have no desire to go back to the states, at this point in my life. But things can and do change. If I just went thru what the couple in Buena Vista
went thru the other night. We'd probably hang it up. 
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fishabductor
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I can relate to uncle judd....
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desertcpl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
It all sounds a bit much? Most suggestions came from my walled in Mexican friends, some of their homes are liked armed camps.
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I agree most the mexicans I know don't mess around when it comes to personal protection. The new home I am getting ready to build will be fortified,
with bared windows and heavy steel doors. .
[Edited on 7-18-2010 by fishabductor] |
barred windows and heavy steel doors??????
that is sad. if you need bars and walls and steel doors to feel comfortable, you need to relocate. here in san diego we have no walls or gates and
have had but maybe 1 burglary in neighorhood in 5 years. it's safe, no one has bars on windows, no one worries about arming themselves,...
if you are so worried about crime in mexico, you should move back to the states. if you want to live in rural low-crime community, there are many to
choose from. |
There is a big difference between san diego and the eastcape. The biggest being communication. We have no phones, no cell service, no police presence
for months at a time...no one to turn to for help if/when there's an emergency.
In the last year there have been something like 20 robberies on the eastcape. A security guy got his head cut off, a plane was stolen....etc. Our
home was also robbed, my buddies home twice, once when he went out fishing in the boat for a couple of hours. My truck has been broken into as well.
Last week there were a handfull of robberies in La Ribera.
We live in an area with no police, no phones, nothing or nobody to rely on besides yourself. In the summer it is empty, empty houses, no people
besides a few locals and a random tourist.
The idea of a home invasion out here is scary. You are on your own. If someone wants to come in, You had best be ready to defend yourself...period....
you are it..there is no one else to rely on.
If this happened in Buena Vista, where it is fairly well populated, has lights, phones, cops..etc....all of which we have none of. This is also the
main reason why I love it on the eastcape.
I have no desire to go back to the states, at this point in my life. But things can and do change. If I just went thru what the couple in Buena Vista
went thru the other night. We'd probably hang it up. |
well thats a bit to much for me, I love Baja but I would not put my wife thru that, I would love to have a place in Baja but it would have to be some
place that we both could feel safe
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I didn't hear about any robberies in La Ribera. Can you tell me more? Thanks fishnapper.
You must have known all about living out in the puckerbrush before you built/bought your home there. You wanted to be left alone. This is not what you
bargained for but you were a pioneer knowing there were some dangers. Pal, you had other options too. Hang in there podna.
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
I didn't hear about any robberies in La Ribera. Can you tell me more? Thanks fishnapper.
You must have known all about living out in the puckerbrush before you built/bought your home there. You wanted to be left alone. This is not what you
bargained for but you were a pioneer knowing there were some dangers. Pal, you had other options too. Hang in there podna. |
The eastcape is where my wife grew up, where my parents retired. We have a couple pieces of property but we have not built on them. The eastcape is
where I have lived the majority of the last 8 years and it is where I work, and live at this point in my life. However, the eastcape/baja is probably
not were we'll spend the rest of our lives given our infant son and his education.
When I first came out here 8 years ago, there were no issues, no robberies...etc. All this has started in the last 2-3 years.
About the robberies in LR, my brother in law told me about them. We have a lot of family in La Ribera. I think they were mexicans who got robbed, but
I am not certain. Not only us Gringos are being targeted.
I love baja, and the fishing makes me turn a blind eye to a lot of things.
[Edited on 7-19-2010 by fishabductor]
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
Bajaguy -- About the green laser: does it only do damage when aimed at the eyes? Or is the idea just to freak out the invader???
MsT |
Yes
Yes
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lesd
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green lasers , bug spray, pepper spray legality
I own a strong green laser pointer. I just don't see how this would be effective as a defense weapon at all. If you wanted to try to cause eye damage
with it, you would have to train it on the bad guys eye for more that a flash. Not easy if he is running at you. Even harder if they are far away.
Just try holding the spot on a stop sign at 50 ft , you won't get it in a circle smaller that a few inches across. It will be dancing around in a
crazy pattern. Now try it when you think you are being attacked ( less calm ).
Other mentions of bats, big knives, bug spray, etc have me scratching my head as well. From what I hear, many MX holdups include a firearm. They are
easy to get on the black market. Your out of luck there, for the most part.
I am picking up a LARGE pepper spray for my camper trip next week. By large, I mean almost a lb of fluid, and it looks like a small fire extinguisher,
about 9 inches tall. Fifty bucks.
I figure it is better than nothing.
One Question: What are the official rules concerning pepper spray in MX ? I will put a fir extinguisher sticker on it anyway, but I want to be aware.
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805gregg
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Just get a good Beeman air rifle, it will be lethal if fired at the torso. and it's legal.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Just get a good Beeman air rifle, it will be lethal if fired at the torso. and it's legal. |
 I have one of those------good suggestion, Gregg. Are you sure it is
legal in Mexico, tho??
Barry
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lesd
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One shot ?
Anybody know of an air gun that fires more, and delivers some energy in the round as well ? It' gotta do more than sting.... there is that Russian BB
gun thing, maybe make up for thing by firing a barrage of bb's 
| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Just get a good Beeman air rifle, it will be lethal if fired at the torso. and it's legal. |
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pacificobob
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bring an air rifle to a gunfight...now thats rich. i would recomend that all the frigtened folks go live somewhere where they feel is safe.
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I guess I was fortunate to grow up in small mountain communities in the Wester United States, because we learned to pretty much take responsibility
for out own safety and the well being of the family. I took that same attitude with me when I moved to Mexico and instead of thinking that the police
were there to protect me and provide me safe haven, I knew that I would have to accept some of the responsibility for my own safety. It was obvious
early on that places where you had a large influx of people would not even be on the radar screen as far as possible places to locate my house, so I
quickly wrote off places like Ensenada, San Quintin, Cabo San Lucas, or others and instead settled in on smaller villages. I worked very hard to
learn the language and tried to become a part of the community where I lived. I know that when something bad goes down that things are so small and
everyone is so involved that it is very easy to get the information about who might be doing what to whom (although not always accurate) but it gives
me a good idea about who to avoid and who to watch. The locals have been surviving this situation for a long time and they seem to know who might be
on crack cocaine or who might have loose fingers. I also learned early on to make sure that things are always put away and the doors locked and
closed in the garage and storage areas. I do not answer the door at night unless I know who is there and I take other precautions, but one of the
things that I don't do is feel a false sense of security by packing a firearm. I had a friend who did do that and got caught and ended up spending
close to $20,000, once a week trips to La Paz for probation for over a year, and untold dollars in motel and food costs while going through the court
process. So for me, that is not an acceptable solution. I think all anti gun laws are stupid and totally ineffective, but I do not let that feeling
cloud the situation, and since I choose to live in Mexico I have to live within the system and make do with what is at my disposal.
Each person has to make a decision about what they choose to do and this is a very important issue to be discussing and hopefully people will think
about it and come up with workable solutions to their own unique situations.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
Just get a good Beeman air rifle, it will be lethal if fired at the torso. and it's legal. |
Those Beemans are wimps compared to this baby...1600 FPS:
http://tinyurl.com/2fudqn5
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by pacificobob
bring an air rifle to a gunfight...now thats rich. [/quote
Bring this airgun to a gunfight and you'll do all right.
9mm, 6 shot repeater, lever action. They also make a 45cal and a 50 cal but they are single shot. These are legal. we spoke to the company a few days
a go and they will ship the CSL or anywhere else in Mexico. This is a mexican company.
http://www.co2airgunsmexico.com.mx/product_info.php?cPath=14...
Look at pyramid airguns for In the USA |
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