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Phil C
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Bringing meat to Baja
I've looked on the SECTUR website but have been unable to find anything. Can we take pork and beef to Baja for personal consuption. I know we take
baconand pork chops and steaks and whatever, but we've never been questioned about it at the border. Wonder what the real rules are?
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Loretana
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Meat
Phil
Technically, you can't take beef, pork, or cheese, for that matter. You can take poultry.
If you fly, I have a solution. u2u me.
If you drive, hide it and go around the guys at the Fitosanitaria checkpoint at Guerrero Negro. Take the airport road and come out around the backside
of town. It's your food, after all. They love to eat US foodstuffs. 
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rts551
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Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?
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Phil
Technically, you can't take beef, pork, or cheese, for that matter. You can take poultry.
If you fly, I have a solution. u2u me.
If you drive, hide it and go around the guys at the Fitosanitaria checkpoint at Guerrero Negro. Take the airport road and come out around the backside
of town. It's your food, after all. They love to eat US foodstuffs.
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Phil C
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Loretana. Yes I know about the Guerrero Negro deal, my friend was caught there a couple of years ago, he made them burn his meat in front of him,
wouldn't leave it with them. I did't know if this was a BCS thing or Mexico thing. We've never even been asked at the border. Just wondering what the
"real rules" were. BTW if those folks hopping over the fence were hauling some fine Sonoran beef I might entertain them for awhile.
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rts551
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Just pointing out she was proposing an illegal act in a foreign country to include avoiding officials at a checkpoint by sneaking their way around.
Not that much different than sneaking into the US
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Sneaking Beef vs. Illegal Immigration ?
Now, THAT is a Stupid Comparison.
A law is a law is a law is a law ?
Illegal Parking and Murder ?
SURE. Why not ?
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rts551
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Now Bill, I am sure you are aware that your and Arizona's argument is the "law is the law".
on edit. sorry for being stupid.
[Edited on 7-23-2010 by rts551]
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Loretana
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Fence hoppers
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?
Reply......
Personally, I don't give a rip about illegal immigration.
I do know that I live in a rural farming community (when I'm not in Loreto) and that without immigrant workers from Mexico, the plant nurseries,
potato, onion, nut and berry growers who are my neighbors would be without a workforce.
I guess I do support fence hoppers. 
[Edited on 7-23-2010 by Loretana] |
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Phil
Technically, you can't take beef, pork, or cheese, for that matter. You can take poultry.
If you fly, I have a solution. u2u me.
If you drive, hide it and go around the guys at the Fitosanitaria checkpoint at Guerrero Negro. Take the airport road and come out around the backside
of town. It's your food, after all. They love to eat US foodstuffs.
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Wow... is that REALLY what you think???
Ralph, the road around the airport is an open, public right-of-way... It does NOT cross an international border, either.
There are other roads that cross into Baja Sur as well... It is not anyone's fault that the local government doesn't set up check points there, as
well. No laws are broken by driving into Baja Sur on any OPEN road.
There is nothing similar about that to crossing into another country illegally, and intentionally... nothing.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?
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I do, at least most of them.  Have watched and seen many arriving that way
and would NOT turn them in.
So can I keep taking meat in Baja? 
But rts551, I do get your point----for most it is a matter of selective laws---like this one, so support it, don't like that one, so I will do what I
want----
I think we all do it to some extent--
Like driving on the beach----selective law abiding---but some then become sanctamonious about other laws.
Edited to insert the important NOT---would never turn anyone in-!
[Edited on 7-24-2010 by DianaT]
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Phil
Technically, you can't take beef, pork, or cheese, for that matter. You can take poultry.
If you fly, I have a solution. u2u me.
If you drive, hide it and go around the guys at the Fitosanitaria checkpoint at Guerrero Negro. Take the airport road and come out around the backside
of town. It's your food, after all. They love to eat US foodstuffs.
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Wow... is that REALLY what you think???
Ralph, the road around the airport is an open, public right-of-way... It does NOT cross an international border, either.
There are other roads that cross into Baja Sur as well... It is not anyone's fault that the local government doesn't set up check points there, as
well. No laws are broken by driving into Baja Sur on any OPEN road.
There is nothing similar about that to crossing into another country illegally, and intentionally... nothing. |
David
Violating another countries law is similar. Or where do you draw the line? The proposal was to intentionally avoid officials in order to smuggle beef
within the country of Mexico.
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Phil C
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Well, guess I better go back to the SECTUR website and search some more.........
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Phil C
Well, guess I better go back to the SECTUR website and search some more......... |
Did you really expect an answer? 
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I take frozen beef, lamb, pork and milk into BCN twice a year. I take it out of my freezer pack it in dry ice, drive 30 hours. It is not hidden and
have never had it taken from me. I tape the cooler with grey tape so it keeps the air out. They have asked what it was, but never made me open it. I
know that not knowing the law doesn't make it ok to break it, I just really never gave it a thought.
With the exception of one package when I was coming back into the US, because it is not store bought, there is no USDA stamp and I had to turn it
over. I will probably keep trying though, grilled lamb chops, cervesa, a view of cortez?? I'll take my chances...
a law is a law is a law?? eeeeeww, I'll leave that one alone!
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David K
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What is the 'law' for, anyway... Is it a 'law'? It began as a hyper-emotional response to Mad Cow Disease... which isn't even an issue, and U.S. beef
is USDA inspected, etc. Is beef from a butcher in Mexico safer and more inspected... really?
So, you think the beef we buy in our markets is dangerous and we should pick the one and only road that has a 'meat checkpoint' to go into BCS, and
avoid all the other roads?
Again, it is the Mexican officials who decide where to have a checkpoint and when to man it, not our fault if it is closed on Hwy. 1 or we are going
south from Punta San Francisquito to Vizcaino, or the other roads south where there is no checkpoint.
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Mood: time for a cervaza !!!
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I always take down what I need.
steak,pork,chix,whatever.
laws are laws,,,,,but sometimes,,,,"jus doesnt apply"
Anybody,,,,that tries to deprive me of a good steak on the barby
AINT HAPPENIN BABY !!!
Home Remodels/Builds..Recession!
Gone BAJA BUILDIN/FISHIN !
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Didn't take long for this one to go in the crapper.....dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Phil C
I've looked on the SECTUR website but have been unable to find anything. Can we take pork and beef to Baja for personal consuption. I know we take
baconand pork chops and steaks and whatever, but we've never been questioned about it at the border. Wonder what the real rules are?
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I think if you saw all the Mexican shoppers in the meat department at Costco, Chula Vista, and other stores, it would give you a good idea.
Why do I assume the shoppers are from Mexico? Baja plates in the parking lot....lots of them.
Just a thought.
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Loretana
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Checkpoint
Thanks for a logical response to what some of us consider a ridiculous argument, DK.
Oh, and by the way, you know that alleged disinfectant in the little tire trough that you get charged $20 pesos to drive through? The one that
supposedly prevents the swine disease that was affecting mainland Mexico back in the '90's?
I was told by a MOST reliable source that due to funding (or lack of) the Fitosanitaria inspectors usually put household bleach and water in there,
and it is nothing but a pretext at this point to support themselves. Just as the fruits and foodstuffs they confiscate go to their homes to be eaten
by their families. So what. 
Let them do their jobs. I just choose to have some good parmesan cheese, a fresh turkey or two and some decent meat grown on my Oregon property frozen
in my ice chest when I cross the state line into Baja Sur.
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rts551
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If the argument is ridiculous, I go back to please enlighten us on which laws we are to obey and which we should not. If the law is ridiculous that
is different. I was sent to secondary for kitty litter the last trip north. Now that is rediculous, but I did not try and go around.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Thanks for a logical response to what some of us consider a ridiculous argument, DK.
Oh, and by the way, you know that alleged disinfectant in the little tire trough that you get charged $20 pesos to drive through? The one that
supposedly prevents the swine disease that was affecting mainland Mexico back in the '90's?
I was told by a MOST reliable source that due to funding (or lack of) the Fitosanitaria inspectors usually put household bleach and water in there,
and it is nothing but a pretext at this point to support themselves. Just as the fruits and foodstuffs they confiscate go to their homes to be eaten
by their families. So what.
Let them do their jobs. I just choose to have some good parmesan cheese, a fresh turkey or two and some decent meat grown on my Oregon property frozen
in my ice chest when I cross the state line into Baja Sur. |
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