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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
I was sent to secondary for kitty litter the last trip north. Now that is rediculous, but I did not try and go around.
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What was the problem with Kitty Litter?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Do you also support people going over the fence into the US?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Loretana
Phil
Technically, you can't take beef, pork, or cheese, for that matter. You can take poultry.
If you fly, I have a solution. u2u me.
If you drive, hide it and go around the guys at the Fitosanitaria checkpoint at Guerrero Negro. Take the airport road and come out around the backside
of town. It's your food, after all. They love to eat US foodstuffs. 
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Wow... is that REALLY what you think???
Ralph, the road around the airport is an open, public right-of-way... It does NOT cross an international border, either.
There are other roads that cross into Baja Sur as well... It is not anyone's fault that the local government doesn't set up check points there, as
well. No laws are broken by driving into Baja Sur on any OPEN road.
There is nothing similar about that to crossing into another country illegally, and intentionally... nothing. |
dk:
laws are laws. who are you to determine which laws are OK to break and obey?
i think that laws preventing migration of pests between farming regions are more important than laws that prevent people from migrating. pests cause
much economic damage. migration of people causes population growth which causes increase in GNP.
undocumented immigrants contribute much to the economy and tax base. undocumented immigrants are used and abused by the middle class like dk. dk,
you eat cheap food because of cheap labor
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Why not compare this issue with the California agriculture border inspection stations? PC computers, used clothing, tires and chemicals are also on
the forbidden list for Mexico. The PC computer ban is vigorously enforced for Baja but not at mainland Mexico federal border inspection stations. By
the way a PC is a full-size desktop computer not a laptop.
But arguing this point is foolish unless of course the point itself is argument and not the subject material. That being the case, the discussion
hinges on whether or not an individual follows the letter of the law --- personal values, morals, ethics, etc. Strike a nerve? Then the issue is about
values, morals and ethics, not meat..
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mtgoat666
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ag inspections to prevent pest migration is different than customs inspections to enforce trade restrictions.
i think many nomads believe that customs and ag restrictions do not apply to them 
or they believe that obeyamce of those laws is optional
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MrBillM
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Obeying the Law
Yes, the argument is ridiculous, stupid or whatever other negative adjective might apply.
The REASON that "different" laws have "different" penalties is that they're NOT considered equal in ANY society. They are not going to use the Death
Penalty to punish Traffic Scofflaws and they're not going to issue misdemeanor citations to Rapists. Well, not yet, anyway.
What Laws SHOULD you obey ? That's up to YOU and YOUR Moral code balanced with YOUR willingness to ACCEPT the lawful consequences of said
violations.
BTW, I read a synopsis of Arizona's arguments in court yesterday and Nowhere did I see the "rts" version being argued. Obviously, "someone" has a
comprehension problem.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
I was sent to secondary for kitty litter the last trip north. Now that is rediculous, but I did not try and go around.
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What was the problem with Kitty Litter? |
somehow related to dog and cat food which are also prohibited. Guess I continue to be stupid because I just said take it and didn't fight it. Kinda
like an argument with BM. Just not worth it.
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MitchMan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
...the discussion hinges on whether or not an individual follows the letter of the law --- personal values, morals, ethics, etc. Strike a nerve? Then
the issue is about values, morals and ethics, not meat.. |
DavidE is right on point. Allow me to add that laws are imperfect, but should be followed if they have a practical purpose and are necessary and are
fair and moral and just and reasonable when it helps society, overall.
I am not so sure about obeying a law that does not meet the aforementioned criterion. Personally, my adherence to a law is based on my judgement when
it comes to the abovementioned criterion together with whether or not my not following the law actually damages some truly innocent person(s).
You know, sometimes laws exist that sometimes provide and preserve an unfair advantage to certain parties over others.
BTW, in an unrelated point, in La Paz at the major chain grocery stores, the quality of beef and pork really sucks, but the quality of the fresh fish
and the fresh whole chickens is great. Where can a person get good quality beef steaks in La Paz, anyway?
[Edited on 7-23-2010 by MitchMan]
[Edited on 7-23-2010 by MitchMan]
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BajaBlanca
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agricultural workers are not illegal, BTW.
there are special visas that those workers get year after year (used to be called a SAW - seasonal agricultural worker visa). It seems to be a
common misconception that they work illegally. Because we do not have a sufficient number of qualified day laborers, the INS came up with a special
visa eons ago.
I was an ESL or English as a Second Language teacher, and I used to teach some of them.
that being said, we never realized that we couldnt take meat, it has been checked at the border and no one has ever turned us back .....can't figure
that one out ...
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rts551
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Blanca
because of the mad cow scare years ago beef was not allowed into Mexico. Periodically that is still enforced at GN
Ralph
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
somehow related to dog and cat food which are also prohibited. Guess I continue to be stupid because I just said take it and didn't fight it. Kinda
like an argument with BM. Just not worth it. |
Are you talking about northbound? Sounds like yes.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Now if you want really crappy beef, follow me next week as I head to the highlands of Guatemala. The best beef if cooked in a pressure cooker for a
few hours and then smothered in ketchup in order to force it down.
Live in Mexico and vacation in Guat. Go figure.
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monoloco
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Just pull over in Jesus Maria and put all the meat and cheese in a suitcase, when you get to Vizcaino take it out and put it back in the cooler.
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David K
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That sounds more sinister than taking a road without the checkpoint.
Seriously, we are talking about USDA beef from a grocery store... no pests, no diseases. There is NO reason to confiscate it in the name of public
safety. Just an example of an over-bearing government robbing us of basic freedoms... like to eat healthy meat!  
Now, on a personal note to the flame throwers here... We have NEVER taken beef into Baja Sur... We prefer to eat local food at local eateries as part
of our Baja experience... and it helps the local economy!
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
. Just an example of an over-bearing government robbing us of basic freedoms... like to eat healthy meat!
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Now that is really funny----it is Mexico and they don't give a rip about your so called self-defined rights.
You don't like it, stay out. Believe it or not, Mexico and other countries do not make THEIR laws to meet your needs or in accordance to what you
think are "basic freedoms".
But, it was good for a real laugh.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
. Just an example of an over-bearing government robbing us of basic freedoms... like to eat healthy meat!
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Now that is really funny----it is Mexico and they don't give a rip about your so called self-defined rights.
You don't like it, stay out. Believe it or not, Mexico and other countries do not make THEIR laws to meet your needs or in accordance to what you
think are "basic freedoms".
But, it was good for a real laugh. |
Once again... just like the media you listen to, you select a portion of the whole story to fit your needs... HERE is the part of my post you quote
only a portion of, that was designed for YOU, the devil goat, and a couple others:
>>>"Now, on a personal note to the flame throwers here... We have NEVER taken beef into Baja Sur... We prefer to eat local food at local
eateries as part of our Baja experience... and it helps the local economy! "<<<
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Skipjack Joe
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"Basic freedom to eat fresh healthy meat"
Didn't you know? It's in the Bill of Rights!
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noproblemo2
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As we live here full time and go North only a couple times a year we primarily do eat local meats etc........ have never gotten sick from it and
always tastes fresher too.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
"Basic freedom to eat fresh healthy meat"
Didn't you know? It's in the Bill of Rights!
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It's an inalienable right. [what does that word mean, anyway?]
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noproblemo2
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Hmmmm, in alien able ????
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
. Just an example of an over-bearing government robbing us of basic freedoms... like to eat healthy meat!
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Now that is really funny----it is Mexico and they don't give a rip about your so called self-defined rights.
You don't like it, stay out. Believe it or not, Mexico and other countries do not make THEIR laws to meet your needs or in accordance to what you
think are "basic freedoms".
But, it was good for a real laugh. |
Once again... just like the media you listen to, you select a portion of the whole story to fit your needs... HERE is the part of my post you quote
only a portion of, that was designed for YOU, the devil goat, and a couple others:
>>>"Now, on a personal note to the flame throwers here... We have NEVER taken beef into Baja Sur... We prefer to eat local food at local
eateries as part of our Baja experience... and it helps the local economy! "<<< |
What you do and what you believe are in two different realms of reality----duh
But seems like that "basic right" of yours to eat healthful (not healthy) beef is because of Big Government Regulation!----good to see that you
finally see where government involvement with regulating the forces of capitalism is important.
If fact, the single person most responsible for you being assured that you are eating healthful beef was a socialist, Upton Sinclair. 
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