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Keri
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Another stupid question on passports
My brother wants to come visit. He doesn't have a passport. anyone have any current experiences trying to get back with out their passport. He does
have birthcert.,k
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BajaBlanca
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I found this online:
Do I need a passport to travel to Mexico and Canada?
The answer is yes if traveling by air: you need a passport to return to the United States from Mexico and Canada by air as of 2007. The answer might
be no if crossing borders by land or sea, because other documents specifically intended for land and sea crossings (like a PASS card) may be used.
Yeah, complicated, but the gist is that you can no longer do it with a regular driver's license and birth certificate.
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Bob and Susan
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no
our neighbors 2 weeks ago
went right thru with out a passport
just ID
its up the the border employee
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David K
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Passport makes it easier for the officials to verify your status... but, they cannot keep you from returning to YOUR own country. We have been asked
for some time now to get a passport or the cheaper passport card to go to Mexico (by land)... But, the worst that can happen is being sent to
secondary so they can verify your status. Bring a photo ID and birth certificate, at least... as that was the requirement before the passport
requirement.
[Edited on 8-12-2010 by David K]
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MrBillM
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You Can ALWAYS get back
Without a Passport.
By the time you speak with the official, you've already entered the U.S.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Passport makes it easier for the officials to verify your status... but, they cannot keep you from returning to YOUR own country. We have been asked
for some time now to get a passport or the cheaper passport card to go to Mexico (by land)... But, the worst that can happen is being sent to
secondary so they can verify your status. Bring a photo ID and birth certificate, at least... as that was the requirement before the passport
requirement.
[Edited on 8-12-2010 by David K] |
ditto. An educational delay in the secondary inspection area is about as bad as it will get if you are a US citizen. Plenty of action to watch while
you are waiting in your car too. I've had agents tell me Passports are intended for entry to a foreign country- not your own.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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BajaWarrior
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Keri, my daughter forgot her passport away at college and didn't tell me about it until we were heading back home after this past Memorial Day.
Drivers license and the original Birth Certificate I had in the truck got her across the border without a question.
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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elgatoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Keri
My brother wants to come visit. He doesn't have a passport. anyone have any current experiences trying to get back with out their passport. He does
have birthcert.,k |
K - there are no stupid questions. 
Best to you and Miguel.
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Mexicorn
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Has anyone bought the new passport card? Do you use it alot?
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meme
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My brother was here to visit in June without his applied for passport card. He only needed his drivers license & birth certificate to show when
going back. They have since both gotten the cards & been here again in July.
We both have the cards in addition to the books & they work just great for having them in your wallet where you cannot carry the books.This way we
can keep the books locked up for safe keeping.
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My Wife crossed the SY border into the states yesterday and took her Canadian passport with her instead of the US one (she has dual citizenship) she
got detained for half an hour and was lectured ad nauseum that she MUST carry her passport with her!
This is obvious BS so what does one do call them on it and clearly state your rights, or do you just say yes sir and kiss butt to get through?
Its really annoying how a few border agents abuse thier powers just cause they can P-nche MIGRA!
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BajaBlanca
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way way way back when, didn't we just need a driver's license ? I really don't remember ever taking my birth certificate years ago ... but maybe my
memory does not serve me well ....
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
way way way back when, didn't we just need a driver's license ? I really don't remember ever taking my birth certificate years ago ... but maybe my
memory does not serve me well .... |
Yep. Those were the days. Never thought twice about an extemporaneous trip for the afternoon or evening. Think about it. Who among us carries their
birth cert around with them all the time? The Birth cert requirement was step #1 as they moved toward the passport requirement.
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bajalera
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A couple of years ago the guy tossing baggage around at the Santa Barbara airport refused to take my suitcase for a flight to La Paz via Phoenix, and
told me I couldn't board because I had no passport. I did have a receipt with an official stamp indicating I had applied and paid for a passport a
week earlier, but he said this didn't mean anything.
After walking around a bit and muttering a few bad words, I returned and told him I was going to Phoenix. He couldn't very well refuse to let me
travel within the U.S., and at Phoenix nobody gave a hoot whether I had a passport for the connecting flight to La Paz.
Unimportant little people enjoying a power trip seem to be one of the random hazards of travel.
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Debra
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David is right, they can't refuse you entry into YOUR country. I took my grand-son down with his school picture ID and birth cert. no problemo upon
return...........the worse that can happen is a delay (if they want to push the point) at secondary.
FYI: Proof of citizenship is all we needed in the "old days" IE: voter registration card, bith cert., DL (photo ID)...... _"legally", it's still
all you need. They just don't want you to know that. 
Getting on a plane is totally diffrent, they will deny boarding without a passport............outbound, coming back........again, they can't deny you
entry.
And Keri, Crazy Cat is right..........."no dumb questions" it's only dumb when you don't ask..........that is how we learn. 
Hope your brother has a great time, mine did! And so did my grand-son.
Mean people suck!
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Bob and Susan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Debra
David is right, they can't refuse you entry into YOUR country.
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yes they can.... 
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BajaBlanca
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somehow I think not ???? In the real world, there are so many ways to check your citizenship online these days .... I can't imagine they would not
let an American back into the US ?? Does anyone have a real story about not being allowed back in the country ??
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Debra
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Bob & Susan.........no they can't. A US citizen can NOT be denied entry into their own country, period! Americans do not have American rights
while traveling out of our country, but, we do in our own country (all of our rights, unless we have forfited them by unlawful acts........entry isn't
one of them)
BajaBlanca: I would also like to hear one story about what you speak.
Mean people suck!
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David K
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You are physically already in the U.S. when you drive up to the customs agent... So, they would have to have a deportation order to send you out of
the country and Mexico would have to allow you in.
I wonder if there is a big deal between physically in the U.S. vs. legally in the U.S.? Heck, there are millions in the U.S. who are not legal and we
can't deport them!
Have you guys seen the Tom Hanks movie 'Terminal'?
[Edited on 8-14-2010 by David K]
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BajaBlanca
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Do any of you know a border patrol agent whom we could ask ?
In Brazil, they announce on the international Brazilian TV channel that we can go back to our country with ANY Brazilian document and be allowed in.
If you say you are Brazilian, they will even look up your information without any passpsort or ID .... We did have a problem years ago when they did
NOT accept dual nationality and Brazilians were having kids abroad in countries which did NOT extend nationalities to kids of foreigners...so, we had
these lost in limbo kids. Obviously, the law had to change and did.
In my case, I was born in the U.S. to parents who worked at the Brazilian Embassy and had automatic dual nationality. Whew...so lucky to have the best
of 2 wonderful worlds.
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