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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Don't forget about digging clams and driving on the beach
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Used to be able to do both of those things up at Pismo Beach. Has that changed? |
No change. 5 miles of beach open for vehicle use
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Life is too short to sweat the small stuff, don't you think? |
In your case, that quip is all too unreliable, but we can hope.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
I'VE Always found it STRANGE when I hear people comparing Gringos traveling to Baja sans Paperwork with Mexicans entering the U.S. Illegally.
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You would.
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Sweetwater
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The irony for us is that the Visa was issued the next day by the race.........we thought we were OK and covered with our participation but without the
paperwork, we were shelling out the pesos at Bancomex.......
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
I was never asked for the Visitor Visa till we went through Guerrero Negro....then it was a $25 fee plus a $50 fine........we were pre-running the
Baja 1000 and had been across the border for about 72 hours.....my advice is "just get one.........." |
It's not just the hours, it's the distance - any time south of San Felipe is supposed to have one. and I agree with Dennis, If you don't like
undocumented Mexicans in the USA, don't be a undocumented US Citizen in Mexico.
But we all know getting around Mexican law is the favorite pastime of Americans. |
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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mcfez
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tourist fee
Tourist fee...just where does these fees (taxes) go to?
Back in the early 2000'sSan Felipe was hurt so bad that the 3 day grace period for not having to pay and get a tourist card is extended to 7 days.
I just wonder how a car load of Families members can afford Baja' tourist fees? Hey...some folks save their money for several years to have a vacation
in Baja. I rather see that bogus tourist fee goes to the merchants and street vendors.
Another thing here. I have NEVER seen a sign coming into Mexico (driving) that states a tourist card is required. No signs in San Felipe all the way
down to BoLA .Most first timers (and many of their other future visits) don't have a clue about the tourist card requirement.
I have been stopped by police at their check points in downtown Mexicali and beyond (502 checks?), and the Military points....no one ever asking to
see my tourist card much less any of my legals docs from Mexico.
Get car insurance? Absolutely.
FM's? Absolutely.
Tourist cards? No big deal. They don't have a clue that you have been in Baja (San Felipe limits) for more than 7 days
Like DavidK said...speed limits? We all do the speed limits? Shell fish collection? Debating with the police (try that here in the USA!). I dont
drink, do drugs, fight or whatever else some folks here thinks that a Viking does....I do obey most laws...just as you, the reader here!
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by mcfez]
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Terry28
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It would be nice to hear from someone that had a legal problem, accident, arrest etc. that did not have a permit and see what the consequences were.
I agree with those that stated. Follow the rules and avoid the potential for problems. When in Rome........
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Immigration regulations are a FEDERAL LAW and nobody from INM has ever published anything that says the 72 hour limit was extended to 7 days... or
that the border zone has moved south of Maneadero to San Quintin or Guerrero Negro (that I have seen)! |
Ya know........it occurs to me, so I don't understand why it wouldn't occur to you, that these pesky Mexicans might perhaps be writing their
regulations in a language of which you have not a clue, Spanish.
It's Mexico, not the DMV, and they arn't at all concerned with publishing in fifty different languages.
But I suppose that's unreasonable...especially to a tourist who thinks that eating a couple of chickensht fish tacos gives him the right to interpret
the rules as they suit his trip.
So far here, you have condoned speeding and choosing the status of being illegal, an arrogant Mojado, in a country which hosts your visit with nothing
more than the simple request that you obey their laws, but you find this request inconvenient.
I cannot believe your attitude, "I love Baja but have no respect for the law there." You should be so proud of yourself, Mr. Ambassador.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Terry28
It would be nice to hear from someone that had a legal problem, accident, arrest etc. that did not have a permit and see what the consequences were.
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I've seen it happen. An elderly US couple here had their new car confiscated for almost no reason. They allowed their handyman to drive it to a
garage and on the road, the police, who knew the young man and that he wasn't licensed to drive a CA. plated car, pulled him over and impounded the
car.
The police flat told them that they would not get their car back so they had to get a lawyer, one from DF who had the huevos to fight the Ensenada
system, and he finally got the car back for the owners.
In the process, the owners had to get straight with immigration before the process could continue, which they did. They were racing the clock.
Point is, if you arn't legal, you have no grounds for defense.
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sancho
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As mentioned. to be a legal tourist ANYWHERE
in Mex over 72 hrs., you need an fmm tourist card.
There have been posts not neding an fmm for 7 days.
I have NEVER read any Official Print out from Mex
Immigration stating that, quite the opposite,
the Regs Issued in May with the fmm state the 72 hr rule.
I've been told by Mex IMM at the border you can be in
Mex for 7 days without an fmm. I don't go along with that.
However many visitors to San felipe don't bother with them
regardless of their stay. I too get a kick out of
travellers who report not being asked fot an fmm
while in Mex, of course you won't be asked,
if asked you probably are in a situation you don't
want to be in. At least, get an fmm for anyone who is driving,
the Old Calexico crossing would be a real hassle parking a trailer, if Mex Customs will let you park near their inspection
area that would do, but I wouldn't count on it. There is
virtually no parking, I have to park some 6 blks into Mexicalli
and walk back to Mex IMM
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I reiterate that when at the immigration office twice inthe last 3 weeks, they told me that the law had changed and that all visitors were required to
register ie get a tourist visa upon crossing the border.
I understand that Discover Baja can issue the visas in San Diego ??? which makes it very convenient. and even if you have to go to a bank to pay - no
one is going to argue that point if you have the paperwork in hand - from discover baja or the Mexican consulate or after crossing the border (where
you can pay 24/7 and 7 days a week.
Whether you are going to get caught is not the real issue here, none of us should condone breaking the law intentionally ..... and it is surely NOT
our business what they spend the money on either, right ? Don't have to look very far to see moeny being misspent in the good ole US of A 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
I've been told by Mex IMM at the border you can be in
Mex for 7 days without an fmm. I don't go along with that.
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That is precisely what an INM official told me around eight years back. He had no reason to lie...he was in the process of deporting me anyway.
I really don't care if it's right or wrong. It doesn't affect me whatsoever.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I reiterate that when at the immigration office twice inthe last 3 weeks, they told me that the law had changed and that all visitors were required to
register ie get a tourist visa upon crossing the border.
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That can't be right, Blanca. Daytrippers to TJ arn't going to go through that process to walk across the border for a day's shopping.
Mexico hasn't completely turned it's back on the need for tourism and a move like this would have devastating results on an important area of income.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Wow, here we go again... I am just being honest with my experiences here and you have to get personal... Can't you address the question and not bring
me into it?
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You've got to be kidding. You and your lousy, arrogant attitude are the issue.
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Not picking sides here.......
But David...don't you drive on the beach at Shell beach all the time? Been many pictures of you and hell a lot of other BN doing this.
So we all break laws, my point simple. It's what laws we choose to break.
I read too many times about the free zone for 7 days in San Felipe. I'll research that and see what comes up with a friend of mine in SF.
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by mcfez]
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everyone knows, mr ambassador, that there are no secrets here......
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mcfez
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So we ALL were wrong!
No tourist cards required for.....
Visas for foreigners (INM)
Effective March 1, 2010 U.S. citizens traveling to Mexico as tourists must present a valid passport or passport card to the immigration authority at
the point of entry to Mexico.
U.S. citizens living in the border area with Mexico may cross the border without these documents. Nevertheless, they should present them if they are
traveling 20 miles or more, beyond the border into Mexico, in the designated checkpoints.
U.S. citizens entering Mexico by sea may enter without such documents if they are visiting port towns for a short visit. They should present a valid
passport or passport card if they travel beyond these port towns.
http://embamex.sre.gob.mx/usa/index.php/consular-services
http://mexico.usembassy.gov/eng/eacs_sheet.html
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those first three sentances define what is the ambiguity of Mexico. you must present a passport. but if you live near the border you don't have to. do
they ever proof read this crap? or are they just like the US Congress/Senate?
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One can get a different interpretation
from different Mex Officials at the 3 Baja Border
entry points, regarding tourist card regs. I would have to be told that every
Gringo tourist crossing into Mex needs an fmm
from several IMM Officials before I believed that,although there are always things
that don't make sense. if I was crossing at Calexico
I might consider parking the trailer on the US side
walking over and back to get an fmm, would take a
little time, coming back thru the pedestrian line,
but it may save a headache
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
those first three sentances define what is the ambiguity of Mexico. you must present a passport. but if you live near the border you don't have to. do
they ever proof read this crap? or are they just like the US Congress/Senate? |
Since when does any Govt issues make sense?!
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So it's a little vague. But the intent remains as it always has been. It's assumed that anyone that's planning a trip beyond the border region will
need a visa. Since there have been several reports on here that FMM forms are no longer issued at Guerrero Negro, the idea is get the darn things at
the border. Folks chilling in the border region don't need them.
Here's a different aspect. Last time we got our FMM forms at SY, the bank would not accept our payment. We went back to the IMM guy and told him. He
said it was OK. We could pay at any bank along the way. I went in to a Chase Bank in California when we got back. They refused to transact
business. 
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