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Von
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Typical Mexico! im sad for my Mexico~ thats why i live here in San Diego and yeah maybe one day ill live down there~ ill have a big deep hidden hole
for that occasion i hope i dont have to fill it in to quickly with bandidos lol~ I agree with Woody for a small fee you can takecare of these matters!
READY SET.....................
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JoeJustJoe
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From the second hand report: All the local people I talked to confirmed this guy is just a BAD GUY and probably the one that has hit everything
lately, including stealing my outboard and another outboard this last Spring, and probably the theft at Playa Coyote this summer, as well as several
others recently. And THE WHOLE TOWN knows, EVERYBODY knows INCLUDING THE LOCAL POLICIA knows 'Koki' (I know his real name, but will withhold it for
reasons of possible libel). Heaven forbid there were any kick-backs to allow the theiving to continue.
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This is a second hand report written by some pantywaist wuss upset that his outboard was stolen last summer and blames the suspect for all crime in
this whole town.
I wouldn't waste my time listening to this wimp who is not even willing to name the so-called motorcycle thief/suspect by name in his little rant.
Even if the incident is true, and that's a big "IF" with some of these bitter expats who hate Mexico and would like to move back home but they over
payed for their house in Mexico and don't want to take that big of a lost.
If the story is true why waste your time ranting about a second hand incident in a Blog meant for other Americans to read?
I'm surprise the OP even brings this blog rant here considering it's source where he got it from....he got it from "a anti-Mexico" blog. A story
about a stolen Motorcycle belongs in a local towns 'crime blotter" paper where it might have some interest, but stories about stolen cars and
motorcycles really have no interests in the large geographical areas of Mexico and the USA. Cars and motorcycles are stolen all the time in the US and
Mexico, and rarely do the car thieves get caught, and when they do get caught they are soon back out on the streets stealing more cars.
Anytime you get your car stolen and recovered there is red tape, and you'll be paying impound fees which is about $500 dollars in many cities.
I suspect nobody will be able to confirm this report like the OP was asking for, and is probably the reason why would should take a story like this
with a grain of salt because you can't get the sources like a newspaper does, and it's really just a rant.
[Edited on 2-7-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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shari
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I guess some good that could come out of reporting "this kind" of story is that victims wont be surprised when they encounter this kind of red tape
and lack of investigating...it's always better if ya know what to expect...er not expect in this case..... and some might even learn something about
how to successfully live in a small mexican village...things ya otta consider...like spoiling the fuzz!
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gnukid
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I have experienced this problem as well, I went to MP more than a dozen times following being robbed, and even found myself before a Federal victims
ombudsmen when the police called, who I put on speakerphone, they asked me to come to Minesterial Station to buy my stuff back, they were subsequently
charged for their efforts but I wasn't about to take the stand against them.
It seems the MP live a sad life of mostly negative encounters and experiences, they mirror and repeat this experience, like many in society, and the
result is a continuation of corruption.
As Shari pointed out their investigation skills are summarized by a drive by and an occasional slamming on the brakes followed by peeling out.
Success?!@#$
Having tried to pursue these issues its clear that there is little help, the top is even less likely to act than the street cop. The way things work
is completely unexplainable or only explained by paying off each and every person, every day I hear about someone who was picked up for a crime, but
it is almost always an innocent person while the guilty goes free, and worse when the guilty seem to get rewarded for doing so and act with more
bravado.
I have tried an alternative solution which is to confront the criminal myself but not aggressively, instead I ask "how do you feel?" "Is everything ok
we're heard what happened." Basically while never accusing, and never being aggressive I listen to them wind tales and excuses and sink themselves
deeper in guilt, they often give in, but without remorse although it does seem to slow them down for a moment.
We have many kids in put in jail over the last weekend for unexplainable reasons. I chock it up to cyclical February poverty, and this year to
uncertainty due to the election, allegiances are cut, we are in for a period of nonsense for some time until the new government gets settled for the
better or the worse. I would caution everyone to be very very wary about being out and about at night and stay in close knit groups until things get a
little better.
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shari
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I was reflecting on when I settled in baja many moons ago and how I sure wish there had been somewhere or someone who told me about all the crazy
stuff that can and will happen and how best to deal with it...I went it alone and learned by mistake most of the time so I can soooo see how this
board can help people understand the culture BEFORE they make mistakes...in theory anyway!
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Marc
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I wonder if an all federal police force would be any better. They're still Mescins.
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luckyone
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what everyone needs who lives in Mexico is a good attorney who knows people and the way the system works. this way, when things happen like this, you
have someone to call who won't let the police get away with chit. The police pull crap like this to people who they think are stupid (in their mind
it's dumb gringos). You need to be willing to take names and go higher and higher up on the chain.
and yes, bajajazz, that's how they do it. I know from personal experience. but I had my attorney deal with getting the stuff translated, notarized,
etc. It's good in a way because once your belongings are officially in custody it protects you from having someone else claim it's theirs. they make
you translate everything.
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Lobsterman
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This whole security culture in baja is a sad time for the country. I started fishing the Sea Of Cortez back in the 60s camping on the beaches and
staying in inexpensive hotel. For over 20 years my dream was to buy a place in Mulege by the water when I retire as a staging point to fish baja (I
retire in 2 weeks). Now that's out. I'm buying a place in Gulf Shores, AL to fish the american equivalent of baja instead with a home base in San
Diego. In Alabama you can carry a consealed weapon in your car. Like my cousin's, their homes have many guns not only for hunting but for protection.
Needless to say home invasion and theft is almost non-existent (if the thieves want to live) in their part of the world. Those rednecks are bad ass
people who protect their own and the cops work on their side.
However, the allure of baja is still calling, so now I'm just going to tow my boat down Hwy 1 and stay in secure areas only. This Oct going to Lopez
Mateos to stay a bajacalifornian's place to fish the laguna and outside, hopefully weather permitting, the Theotis Banks. That's on my "bucket list"
of things to do.
The point of this is, it's a shame the baja security culture is what it is because the 99% of the mexican people are God fearing, caring and giving.
However, not feeling safe and not having a law enforcement system that protects you or your possessions will keep me and I'm sure many other NOB
people out of permanently buying property in this enchanted part of the world.
[Edited on 2-8-2011 by Lobsterman]
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ELINVESTIG8R
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THIS IS ABOUT A JUAREZ HITMAN - THERE ARE THESE TYPES IN LA BAJA TOO
http://variousenthusiasms.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/the-sicar...
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shari
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oh man David....I wish you'd have given a little warning not to read that story before breakfast!
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Sorry Shari!
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mtgoat666
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hillbillies on the bama shore
| Quote: | Originally posted by Lobsterman
I'm buying a place in Gulf Shores, AL to fish the american equivalent of baja |
alabama coast is american equivalent of baja??
you are too funny!
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gnukid
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Just a clarification; its not possible to compare security NOB vs Baja issues. In Baja my experience is people take care of themselves and do not look
to the MP to solve problems. It is possible to get help at times, but in general people try to solve things on their own, and dealing with the MP to
file reports is not easy or productive, but having said that I have done it, and with success, it just takes an amazing amount of effort and cajoling,
perhaps 20-visits to the MP, the reasons are lengthy but obvious, I call it a crime circle.
Compare that to NOB where interactions with police are worse, people who call 911 often end up with far worse consequences, and interactions with
police result in very costly fines. NOB police are under investigation for at least as many improper actions, there are good and bad cops, but plenty
of evidence of planting evidence, evidence tampering and improper actions that are rarely prosecuted. Worse, the police/prison machine is vast and
ever growing, I'll pass intersections with 4 cops of different flavors at each corner and I witness them pulling over lines of vehicles going 36mph in
a 35mph zone, or lines of cars for illegal turns where it is clearly marked legal, but you tell it to the judge. In California at least these issues
are well known. More than 1:100 are in prison and even more have costly interactions with police. That means that NOB more people have negative and
costly interactions with police than in Baja which would be summarized as unfair by the recipients. Only those with deep pockets can play the court
game.
So, in Baja even with the ineffective MP we are far less likely to have a negative interaction with police, and in general we are far more safe from
violence and improper police actions than NOB where it affects a much higher percentage of the population.
And to the poster who suggest you need a good lawyer in Baja, I would disagree, I have never paid mordida, ever. I find when you bolster your position
with aggression or defense, the MP bolster their position with more nonsense, its a self-fulfilling situation, the MP will create as many obstacles as
you are willing to jump. The moment you give no energy toward the problems they create the problems go away because there is no profit. Once they
learn there is no profit interacting with you they leave you alone because they know they would lose time and gain nothing. They run out of gas.
The idea of building friends in the MP is also frought with problems since any interaction with MP is generally less than wonderful and potentially
requires a donation to some cause or support for gas for some inspection.
The best method to deal with any interaction with MP is to ignore, move tangentally and never respond to any intimidation. Always change the subject
to food, family and friends and move on.
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wessongroup
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Thanks David .... it all helps
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djh
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WOW..... 
Incredibly DISTURBING ! 
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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JumpJoey
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In response to gnukid , "NOB... interactions with police are worse" ? Well I disagree strongly. If you are willing to make 20 or so visits to the MP
to resolve an issue , then you have a super human capacity of patience. I have been going down by car to Baja Sur for 15 years now and the shakedowns
by the MP really, REALLY test my patience. I don`t pay mordidas either , but last year , one stand off lasted 15 minutes with me finally relenting and
giving up 100 pesos to the youngest of the MP who basically begged for it for his family. I am no longer comfortable traveling {especially by car} in
a country where the local police are so grossly underpaid and the legal system is almost non-existent. Where you are presumed guilty until proven
otherwise. Just getting in a fender bender there is an opportunity for a shakedown by every level of authority there. I have read that the conviction
rate for murder in Mexico is about 20%.
We may be seeing a tipping point where the lack of trust by tourists in Mexico and the "perceived animosity" by Mexicans towards gringos due to the
illegal immigration situation in the US and the dramatic reduction in income from tourism , could lead to worse times ahead. The initial topic of this
thread about a stolen motorcycle is a good example. How much indifference and incompetence by the authorities in this case are we willing to put up
with? I have little patience for corruption in the US , but I am not worried that if some crime is committed against me here , that I will have to
start paying people off just for some accountability. Basically , how much crap are you willing to put up with just for some fun in the sun? I am not
looking for an argument here , but it seems that many people are in denial about the lack of accountability and due process in Mexico. I would think
that the worst insult one could make against Mexico is that "well things are done differently here , it is a different culture". That sounds to me
like a double standard . A patronizing pat on the back to our poor brown neighbors to the south. Those of you who are OK with the shakedowns by the
local cops and see it as simply a price to pay for paradise , fine , rock on .
One final note "gnukid" after reading your post a second time , I noted that you said "it is not possible to compare security NOB with Baja issues"
but then proceed to do exactly that. "people who call 911 end up with far worse consequences.. plenty of evidence of planting evidence"REALLY? On and
on... One interesting observation by the poor guy who had his motorcycle stolen was the notion that maybe some of the defenders of the status quo
in Baja may be gringos who have spent too much for their casita there and are stuck now and can`t sell a losing investment and are in denial. A
crumbling investment in a crumbling legal system.
Baja California : a great place to visit .
The US :a great place to return to.
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LaloinBaja
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Oh Yeah...When you call for a cop in the states..They're usually helpful if a crime has been committed...Maybe doubling the Baja cops salary instead
of padding the politicos pockets...May help...Dunno..Last time in BCS I caught a guy breaking into my house...He's worse for wear now...No cops...No
Nada...it's"keep it in the family" type of thing
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JumpJoey
In response to gnukid ,
Baja California : a great place to visit .
The US :a great place to return to. |
Dont let gnukid copy and paste readings bother you. He's got lots of words with no real meaning. Just a troll he is......and most here knows this
fact.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
You in the bottle already? Strong work!
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
| Quote: | Originally posted by JumpJoey
In response to gnukid ,
Baja California : a great place to visit .
The US :a great place to return to. |
Dont let gnukid copy and paste readings bother you. He's got lots of words with no real meaning. Just a troll he is......and most here knows this
fact. |
You mean like this kind of stuff?
Got a few minutes to read?
http://www.globalchange.com/drugtest.htm
..............................We will never know how many have died under the knife of an intoxicated surgeon or as a result of a physician's
drug-clouded mind. Doctors don't like admitting errors, even in court long after the event, by which time evidence of substance abuse has vanished.
If you're too drunk or doped to drive, or drive a train, you shouldn't be operating - nor working a crane or cement mixer for that matter. Nor should
you be defending someone in court nor making huge financial decisions on which other people's future will depend.
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I am a hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite
That make you feel superior?
Least I say I am not perfect and dont pretend to be. Nor do troll such as you seem to love.
You are a hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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mulegemichael
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gawd!...how do these posts somehow turn into a peeing match EVERYTIME??...do you people not have a life?...geez...
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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