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toroteman
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fm3/fm2
Nomads,
It's been hard to get reliable information in a small town, so I come to you with questions.
Is it required that an fm3 be changed to an fm2 after 5 years?
I've heard that with an fm2 that there is a limited time that one can be out of Mx. True?
Any advice/ experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Russ
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"Is it required that an fm3 be changed to an fm2 after 5 years? "
Last report I had was that you can continue to renew the FM-3
I'm not sure what the difference is between the 2 & 3. I was never questioned about it.
[Edited on 2-18-2011 by Russ]
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vandenberg
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I think you can keep renewing your FM3.
If you go to an FM2, you have to be in Mexico 80% of the time I believe.
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grace59
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As I understand it...with the newest changes in immigration (with the new FM2 and FM3 cards) you can renew the FM3 as long as you want...with the FM2
you can now be out of the country for a total of 2 years within a 5 year period. BUT who checks? With the new card instead of the booklet how to you
even "stamp" in and out of the country. I don't know how that works????
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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ncampion
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With the new cards and some technology, they will be able to track your coming and going even better. No need to "stamp" the booklet, just swipe the
bar code and create an electronic record of your entry / exit. I would not be surprised to see that in the future, by adding an RFID chip in the card
they could just record you as you fly/drive past a border checkpoint.
There seems to be conflicting information on the amount of time you can be out of the country with an FM2. Anybody have the latest hard info??
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oldlady
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I just renewed my FM2 amd was told it's 180 days over 5 years. Kate is a real good source for all the links to the actual laws. Year to Year, who
knows what changes might be made.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
I think you can keep renewing your FM3.
If you go to an FM2, you have to be in Mexico 80% of the time I believe. |
It's a moot point. No one is counting.
Just to add....I don't believe they even want to know how much time you spend here and there. If running a tight ship meant anything to them, they
would probably start with the thousands of expats living here with no papers at all.
It's kinda like the US....make a lot of noise and do nothing.
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[Edited on 2-18-2011 by DENNIS]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toroteman
Is it required that an fm3 be changed to an fm2 after 5 years?
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Not a requirment. The only practical reason to make the transition would be, it's just another step toward getting it all over with. The time passes
anyway.....why not comply until it's completed?
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by toroteman
Is it required that an fm3 be changed to an fm2 after 5 years?
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Not a requirment. The only practical reason to make the transition would be, it's just another step toward getting it all over with. The time passes
anyway.....why not comply until it's completed? |
Glad we're inmigrados and not having to do that required crap every year. Not to mention the cost.
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grace59
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| Quote: | | Glad we're inmigrados and not having to do that required crap every year. Not to mention the cost. |
How do you become "inmigrado"?
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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gnukid
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At this point always go for the FM-2, it provides benefits such as lowers resale taxes, provides path to inmigrado after only two years, and the time
limit is a recommendation for 'residency' its not a requirement for the visa. An FM-3 is quite different, it says non-immigrado, meaning you do not
want to assimilate, you do not want the benefits and it can continue forever, it seems.
The primary difference up front is the fm-2 is about 10% more expensive, follow the advice and get an fm-2.
Remember that the INM only deal with visas, they do not deal with transitioning out of the office to the office of exterior affairs so there is no one
in the INM who will able to advise you properly, they really do not know nor does it affect them, since they are Mexican and do not pay for visas,
except that if they advised you properly they would be out of a job since presumably after about 3 years, 2 years as fm2 1 year application, you would
be done and no long pay.
Do you want to pay 10% more for 3 years or 10% less for 20+ years?
You won't get a straight answer anywhere else, likely.
good luck
[Edited on 2-18-2011 by gnukid]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grace59
How do you become "inmigrado"? |
It's the third and final step towards Immigration Independence. No more yearly nonsense or expense.
After the 5+5 years [or whatever this has morphed into] of FM3/FM2, the final payment goes toward Inmigrado status. It doesn't give you dual
citizenship or anything like that. You can't buy land without going through the bank and you can't vote. not much changes except the yearly
requirments are over.
That is reason enough for me to continue on with the process until it's over. One more year.
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
The primary difference up front is the fm-2 is about 10% more expensive, follow the advice and get an fm-2.
[Edited on 2-18-2011 by gnukid] |
FM3 is currently 1280, FM2 is well over 2000...mine was 2800 when I changed from FM3 to FM2 in January. plus a one time 699 'registration' fee for
being placed on the 'rolls'
[Edited on 2-18-2011 by rhintransit]
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gnukid
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Just spoke to INM, the FM-3 is not a path to inmigrado, nor to any other status, its more like limited hangout. One must have a FM-2 for 5 years to
achieve inmigrado, according to the inm office.
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My last experience with my FM-3 had INM issuing my FM-3, for the next successive 4 years (4+1) prorrogas or extensions are added. On the start of year
number six you have to start the process all over again, including getting an FM-3 or reverting back to an FMM for 180 days.
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DavidE, you are right, except with reverting back to an FMM you first get an exit permit only valid for 30 days. We didn't want to go in 30 days, so
we're back on a new FM3, the endless Mexican milk-cow.
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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OK, let me throw a monkey wrench into all of this. I was told that if you have a FM2 and are over 65 years of age, it takes only 2 years of FM2 until
you can take the next step.
Anyone have 1st hand experience with this?
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
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Leo
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Nope, never heard that one before.
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Howard
OK, let me throw a monkey wrench into all of this. I was told that if you have a FM2 and are over 65 years of age, it takes only 2 years of FM2 until
you can take the next step.
Anyone have 1st hand experience with this? |
I have no personal experience but there is/was a provision for this. Though when I asked today the agent feigned ignorance, again, because inm agents
do not approve of or are aware of transition out of visa to inmigrado status. I'll look it up but you can too if you are interested, actually anything
is possible-really, if you just put all your capital up front toward citizenship it would be faster, cheaper and more efficient.
Look up forma dnn-3
Considering that these policies change as fast as they make tortillas I would forgo the INM as a source of info or BN and just fill out the form dnn-3
and go to the office of exterior relations and submit it, or have a specialist do it for you, they keep changing the laws every year and can not deny
a form submitted correctly-or can they.
it's complicated you probably need to pay a taxi driver or something to deliver the form...
http://www.sre.gob.mx/tramites/legales/dnn3.doc
http://www.sre.gob.mx/index.php
[Edited on 2-19-2011 by gnukid]
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bajalou
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Having Inmigrado status for the last 5 years has been very nice. No costs, no forms to fill out. Great!
No Bad Days
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