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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Considering the number of deaths from coal fired power plants and coal mining... and the only nuclear deaths were from a Soviet plant that was being
mis-operated by communist party officers, and there was no containment building over it... Nuclear power is far safer. It powers many of our navy
ships and subs, as well.
Find a better source of energy, and that would be great... until then, nuclear and coal and oil must supplement the energy we get from hydro-electric
plants at dams and the tiny drip of power from solar and wind we get. I am a fan of tide and wave energy... Mexico could be a great exporter of power
if a tide generated facility were built in the upper Gulf of Califorina with one of the world's biggest tides... near the delta.
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DK:
coal, oil, wind, solar, tide "fuels" generally have low toxicity, and are easy to handle, and don't present particularly high hazards in event of
catastrophic release.
fisionable materials are very hard to handle, and present have very high toxiciity/hazards. ya, nuclear fuel can be inexpensive relative to fossil
fuels, but hazards and effects of catastrophic release are way worse with with nuclear fuels.
don't you live in north county?
i hope you use sense and flee when the "big one" hits so cal -- wouldn't be prudent to hang around san o and put your faith in it surviving the "big
one."
[Edited on 3-16-2011 by mtgoat666]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Considering the number of deaths from coal fired power plants and coal mining... and the only nuclear deaths were from a Soviet plant that was being
mis-operated by communist party officers, and there was no containment building over it... Nuclear power is far safer. It powers many of our navy
ships and subs, as well.
Find a better source of energy, and that would be great... until then, nuclear and coal and oil must supplement the energy we get from hydro-electric
plants at dams and the tiny drip of power from solar and wind we get. I am a fan of tide and wave energy... Mexico could be a great exporter of power
if a tide generated facility were built in the upper Gulf of Califorina with one of the world's biggest tides... near the delta.
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I being 57 years old, have never heard of The Gulf of California.
The Gulf of California is also known as the Sea of Cortez. Geeze....I thought you gone nutz there for a minute David....I learn something new here
every week!
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Iflyfish;
Well documented? Like the documentation for Anthropogenic Global Warming? We'll see how this all plays out. |
If one is looking for "documentation"...
Did a search at the National Academy of Science using Anthropogenic, found 10,208 peer reviewed "scientific reports" on the topic...
http://tinyurl.com/4sthd98
Have at it... as there is documented support.. available .. if one wishes to look and read... what is available..... on this topic..
To dismiss, a body of scientific evidence based on _________ is a bit troubling ...
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
the only nuclear deaths were from a Soviet plant |
this statement is wrong. heck, just this week a couple people died in Japan from hydrogen gas explosions associated with a fuel melt down,... and I
suspect a few people will die shortly from radiation burns.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Considering the number of deaths from coal fired power plants and coal mining... and the only nuclear deaths were from a Soviet plant that was being
mis-operated by communist party officers, and there was no containment building over it... Nuclear power is far safer. It powers many of our navy
ships and subs, as well.
Find a better source of energy, and that would be great... until then, nuclear and coal and oil must supplement the energy we get from hydro-electric
plants at dams and the tiny drip of power from solar and wind we get. I am a fan of tide and wave energy... Mexico could be a great exporter of power
if a tide generated facility were built in the upper Gulf of Califorina with one of the world's biggest tides... near the delta.
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DK:
coal, oil, wind, solar, tide "fuels" generally have low toxicity, and are easy to
handle, and don't present particularly high hazards in event of catastrophic release.
[Edited on 3-16-2011 by mtgoat666] |
Oil is highly toxic. What are you talking about 
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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It is funny how these decisions are made on "safety" to the human population..
Had a bit of experience in that area .... setting tolerance for DAI for pesticides..
One in a million was deemed acceptable.. and still is used...
My only problem... in some cases I found myself "looking" and obtaining "statements" from people with cancer and were dying.. and alleged that
pesticides were the causative agent to their medical condition.. and too many cases their deaths..
I became a bit more conservative on my calls.. as I would always put myself as the one in the million, which we so casually tossed around in a room
with a bunch of folks that were never going to be "really" exposed.. to the levels.. that most farm workers, growers and the population receive... via
soil, air and water...
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All reports are very accurate and time tested.
Look what the reports said about low tar cigarettes 35 years ago. I smoked "Trues" because of the low risk of chemical damage the reports claimed.
Well....the reports were rigged so I found out 30 years later.
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In a trial by jury, if the prosecution fabricates/falsifies evidence the case is tossed out. Some of the so-called scientists, not all, but some, hid
evidence that went against AGW claims. They flatout cooked the books. Remember the infamous "hockey stick" graph, the medieval warming period, etc.
Many of the stations where the data is gathered are now surrounded by cement and steel in urban settings which are always warmer than rural areas with
trees and other vegetation.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Oil is highly toxic. What are you talking about |
relative to high doses of high energy gamma rays?
i suppose it all depends on your perspective (or lack of perspective, as the case may be).
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mcfez... think about the time frame..
You are spot on about the fraudulent "data" supplied by manufactures..
And is another reason the EPA was created.. Standardized registration of products, and part of that process was submission of all data which supported
registration of products.. and a "review" by both the Fed and State on all products.
Being from the Valley, you should remember a few Ag Chemicals that lost registration for "fraudulent" registration .. (data submitted did not justify
registration) and many that were found just to hazardous to apply ... 2,4-D in the spring... with grapes and bud break..
The number of "hazardous" materials which have been removed and/or exposure reduced through based line blood work and many other regulations designed
to protect Human Health and the Environment.. is quite large and has taken almost 35-40 years to squeeze them out of the "pipe".. but, not the
"environment"...
Yes, some industrial players... lost ... but, from where I look.. they deserved it.. to submit fraudulent data to support a chemicals registration for
use by humans and to be applied to food crops which had significant human and/or environmental impact is not excusable..
Does the name Shell Chemical Company.. Lathrop ring a bell.. along with the DBPC we all drink in our water... as there now exists a tolerance for
it... cuz, it can't be removed... EVER...
By the way, did you ask for DBCP to be in you're drinking water...
And BP will do exactly what Shell did... sell the assets.. but, not the liability to another "actor" in the chemical game.. and that Chemical game is
run by who... check out the big players.. ya, want to talk about old wealth and power.. how about Germany and Switzerland and the Chemical Companies
... how about BASF, DOW (formerly Union Carbide of Bophal India fame) Bayer, et al..
Greed is greed... and when coupled without regard to human health and the environment... I lose a little concern for those who "acted with full
knowledge" in what was going on... to the detriment of our Country and people..
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Oil is highly toxic. What are you talking about |
relative to high doses of high energy gamma rays?
i suppose it all depends on your perspective (or lack of perspective, as the case may be). |
DK: coal, oil, wind, solar, tide "fuels" generally have low toxicity, and are easy to handle, and don't present particularly
high hazards in event of catastrophic release. fisionable materials are very hard to handle, and present have very high toxiciity/hazards.
Dude, dude, dude! You have got to be thy most blundering Igor of the BN.
Oil isnt a toxicity problem, eh? Go stand near this fire and tell us how you feel a few weeks later Maybe do some scuba in the gulf. While down there...grab some dead lobster for dinner......since that spill wasnt a
problem
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mcpez:
all things considered, i would prefer to be 2,000 from a burning refinery, and 2,000,000 feet from a breached reactor during meltdown, and
i would eat a teaspoon of fuel oil before i would eat a teaspoon of uranium fuel pellets.
you and DK may think diferently
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
mcpez:
all things considered, i would prefer to be 2,000 from a burning refinery, and 2,000,000 feet from a breached reactor during meltdown, and
i would eat a teaspoon of fuel oil before i would eat a teaspoon of uranium fuel pellets.
you and DK may think diferently |
......"i would prefer to be 2,000 from a burning refinery".
Miles? 
Oh oh oh.....now it's only a teaspoon of oil. Anything greater is a major risk.
......." Flip flop drop....sound of you tripping on your own words
Where you come up with some of these crazy remarks of yours? From crisX ?
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Facts are the liberals worst nightmare.
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DK, hate to repeat myself:
http://tinyurl.com/6rrny6
Facts are not the enemy it is those who create lies that are our enemy.
Lets all do a Cumbia for Corporate concern for the health and safety of their employees and the general public! Let's do away with the EPA, FDA, and
OSHA while we are at it, they all interfere with Business interests and we all know that they are what is important. Great Job there Brownie!! There
is no negative result in the Gulf from the failproof blow out valves that BP reported. Cumbia!!
Have a good one.
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Compare the number of deaths from the 444 nuclear power plants in the world to deaths at all other power plants... Nuclear remains the one of the
safest forms of energy production, does it not?
You could even add the reactor in the Soviet Union, housed in a factory building (not a containment building like all the others are in) that blew up
because the communist party officials were messing with it, doing things that there weren't supposed to, had a small amount of casualties considering
everything about it and where it was.
Now, it is probably a given that this will end the advancement of safe nuclear power... So, what do you suggest to get us to the next phase of power
creation (fusion or dilithium crystals)? Let us extract the oil we have in the U.S. so we are not dependant on the hostile nations of the world to
hold us over while science develops something that really works.
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Actually David I am with Obama on the notion that we should develop safe nuclear power plants in safe locations. I am glad to hear that you agree with
him also.
President Carter warned us of dependance upon foreign oil, put a solar panel on the White House. Reagan, once the spokesperson for GE, who built the
plant currently spewing in Japan tore down the solar panel and increased our reliance on fossil fuels.
Europe, particularly Northern Europe is way ahead of us in the development of alternative energy sources. We decided to "drill baby drill"
As a consequence we may never catch up to Europe in the manufacture of renewable energy technology. Words have meaning and decisions have
consequences. The US auto industry battled both increased fuel efficiency standards and safety requirements. This at a time when Japan ate our lunch
in building more efficient, safer cars. Thank the goddess that Obama saved the Auto Industry, GM is now in the red, or we would have lost another
option for us to compete in producing less polluting automobiles.
My post to you had to do with lies, you stating that truth is the Liberal nightmare. I posted a link to this site regarding your favorite source of
"truth" and "fair and balanced" reporting. http://tinyurl.com/6rrny6
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So, potassium iodide, in stock at your local farmacia? or........
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Kelp jeremias, think kelp. Probably won't need it but good to have as precaution. There has been a huge run on KI so you probably won't find it.
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