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elbeau
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Facts are the liberals worst nightmare. |
I used to be a conservative until they changed the definition...but I do agree that nuke power is the safest form of power that we have. Wow, in this
thread, I have this strange sense of comraderie with mcfez...wierd.
My grandmother was a downwinder with multiple forms of cancer that are very statistically related to our nuke tests. It's not like I don't know what
can happen from radiation...but mcfez and DK are right, you can't just look at the horrors of radiation poisoning and ignore the deaths from other
forms of power and still think you're being objective about it.
BTW, how many people died from the clean, renewable energy dam that burst during the quake?
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Bajahowodd
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The major news sources, including cable, long ago abrogated the mission to provide unbiased and factual information to the public. The continual
merging and corporate acquisition process has produced a hybrid industry that is dedicated to maximizing profit from advertisers.
Pity is that so many of the alternative sources on the internet are often not subject to fact checking, and become opinion driven, let alone subject
to disseminating misinformation.
Many of you who either live in Baja, or who travel there often are probably familiar with CNN-International. Not quite the same as the US CNN.
Consider also BBC. And although I know it will cause some blow back, Al Jazeera English is another amazingly unbiased source that covers way more than
police chases on the LA freeways and pimping for the reality shows on the entertainment network that owns the news source.
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wessongroup
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Skipjack... and excellent point on "history"... time does make a difference...
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Al Jazeera English is another amazingly unbiased source |
Except when they are amazingly biased. For example, like when they're not broadcasting in English. 
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Speaking of Nuclear Fallout, saw it has been detected in Sacramento or at least it was reported as being detected .... 
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Hey.....we are packed and ready. What's your address wessongroup? I'll take room next to the frig
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
DK
Do we get a clear picture of Mexico in the American Press. No, if one were to accept the image of Mexico now seen in American Media then none of us
would ever venture south.
http://tinyurl.com/6rrny6 |
If you would look at the Mexican Press you would think the US Press is sugar coating it. Daily pictures of severed heads, shot up little children
just a few days ago in Acapulco, on and on and on. The real story can be very illusive. No side has a corner on unbiased reporting. When you
continue to bash Fox and only Fox you look like a fool.
Ken
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Iflyfish
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tipledigitken
I appreciate your comment and desire for a balanced perspective, which we all well need.
I have only bashed FOX because it is the most watched source of information for those who watch "news" in America. I know full well that MSNBC has
it's own Liberal Bias, that the Wall Street Journal is now also owned by Rupert Murdock, the Australian conservative who owns FOX. The bias of FOX is
also well documented as you can see by the citations in my prior posts. I chose FOX because the talking points I was hearing seemed to have their
source in that network. http://tinyurl.com/6rrny6
Because FOX has the highest viewership it has the most infuence on public opinion. FOX ginned up the Iraq/Afghanistan War that has cost us THOUSANDS
of our best men and women, FOR NOTHING. FOX cost us the chance to have Universal Coverage, which leaves us with the most expensive health care system
in the world, leaving us to have lower life expectancy than many European countries that have chosen to see medical care as a right and not as a
source of PROFIT. FOX has ginned up the death of the American Labor Movement, the only countervailing force against Corporate greed. I could go on but
these are the headlines for me.
I use multiple sources of information that shape my perspective on American politics. Those sources include Google, which anyone can use. It provides
links to other sources of information on each article posted. I also read, subscribing to magazines that provide in depth analysis of current events
and issues. Those publications include Harpers. I love Harpers Index, a great source of data: http://www.harpers.org/archive/2011/01/page/0013
I appreciate the depth of analysis one finds in the Atlantic Monthly:
Here is an example of an article for Atlantic Monthly related to the new media as a source of news:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/04/learning...
I find that Rolling Stones magazine has some amazing journalism including exclusive interviews: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-runaway-genera...
I watch NPR and CNN as well as Al Jazeera, BBC and CBC in addition to MSNBC and FOX.
I use Google News as my primary source of information on a daily basis. Google News has links to other sources for each article it posts, sometimes
hundreds of articles and citations are posted under on article. Here is a link that lists some of their sources for articles: http://www.google.com/Top/News/
For fact checking I like Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/
and Media Matters: http://mediamatters.org/
Iflyfishwithmynomadbuddies
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wessongroup
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It all helps...
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Cypress
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Iflyfish, Fox news is the root of most of the USA/worlds problems.  Who'd of
thunk it? Thanks for the enlightenment.
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wessongroup
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Anyone recall Rancho Seco .... gee, something about water and loss of power
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vandenberg
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Agree with Rich about Google news being a great source of information. Each article has several sources mentioned, so you can pick the one that most
suits your fancy.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
tipledigitken
I appreciate your comment and desire for a balanced perspective, which we all well need.
I have only bashed FOX because it is the most watched source of information for those who watch "news" in America. I know full well that MSNBC has
it's own Liberal Bias, that the Wall Street Journal is now also owned by Rupert Murdock, the Australian conservative who owns FOX. The bias of FOX is
also well documented as you can see by the citations in my prior posts. I chose FOX because the talking points I was hearing seemed to have their
source in that network. http://tinyurl.com/6rrny6
Because FOX has the highest viewership it has the most infuence on public opinion. FOX ginned up the Iraq/Afghanistan War that has cost us THOUSANDS
of our best men and women, FOR NOTHING. FOX cost us the chance to have Universal Coverage, which leaves us with the most expensive health care system
in the world, leaving us to have lower life expectancy than many European countries that have chosen to see medical care as a right and not as a
source of PROFIT. FOX has ginned up the death of the American Labor Movement, the only countervailing force against Corporate greed. I could go on but
these are the headlines for me.
I use multiple sources of information that shape my perspective on American politics. Those sources include Google, which anyone can use. It provides
links to other sources of information on each article posted. I also read, subscribing to magazines that provide in depth analysis of current events
and issues. Those publications include Harpers. I love Harpers Index, a great source of data: http://www.harpers.org/archive/2011/01/page/0013
I appreciate the depth of analysis one finds in the Atlantic Monthly:
Here is an example of an article for Atlantic Monthly related to the new media as a source of news:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/04/learning...
I find that Rolling Stones magazine has some amazing journalism including exclusive interviews: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-runaway-genera...
I watch NPR and CNN as well as Al Jazeera, BBC and CBC in addition to MSNBC and FOX.
I use Google News as my primary source of information on a daily basis. Google News has links to other sources for each article it posts, sometimes
hundreds of articles and citations are posted under on article. Here is a link that lists some of their sources for articles: http://www.google.com/Top/News/
For fact checking I like Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/
and Media Matters: http://mediamatters.org/
Iflyfishwithmynomadbuddies |
Add to these sources...The Nation. They really dig, in depth, to find the truth. The truth may run counter to the Faux News- Murdock ideology, but
they thoroughly explain and support their positions.
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wessongroup
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Think the "nuclear" issue may have over shadowed the other event to some degree
found these before for and after shots on the Tsunami from the NY Times .. would think the number of deaths have been way, way under estimated, based
on these photo's...
http://tinyurl.com/4pexsqb
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Iflyfish
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Stunning images wessongroup.
I toured the South Coast of the US two years after Katrina and learned that it is IMPOSSIBLE to comprehend the extent of a catastrophe like this from
images. These events are of a magnitude that is hard to get one's head around.
This is the sort of event that no doubt took out the city of Atlantis, which they may have found under the sea off southern Spain near Gibraltar.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42072469/ns/technology_and_scien...
Thanks for posting these astounding images.
Iflyfishconminomadamigos
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Cypress
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Stunning images wessongroup.
I toured the South Coast of the US two years after Katrina and learned that it is IMPOSSIBLE to comprehend the extent of a catastrophe like this from
images. These events are of a magnitude that is hard to get one's head around.
This is the sort of event that no doubt took out the city of Atlantis, which they may have found under the sea off southern Spain near Gibraltar.
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Very true! My family lives down on the MS Gulf Coast, have waterfront property. Mother nature can deal some misery. TV images can't convey the true
horror of a major natural disaster.
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Radioactive Wildschwein On The Loose In Germany
My wife, which is a German citizen ...was telling me of a story earlier today. About radioactive boars on the loose. I thought she'd lost her mind
with this story. Looking it up on the net....and there it is!
A story to think about when they say a little wee bit of radioactive fall out aint too harmful.....as I keep in hearing on the news.
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We often present what we call cute critter stories on this program. This isn't one of them. Rather, this is about radioactive wild pigs in Germany.
These wild boars eat mushrooms contaminated by the radioactive fallout from the Chernobyl nuclear disaster of a quarter century ago.
More....
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1290087...
[Edited on 3-20-2011 by mcfez]
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acadist
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Sooooo, if I got this right, put table salt in my beer?
| Quote: | Originally posted by djh
about radioactive iodine impacting your thyroid (health). . . . don't drink milk! That is what experts have said in the past and again now.
Currently, the radioactive iodine dispersal is so diluted that it will likely not affect you in any way . . . unless you're drinking milk . . . from
cows that have been grazing on downwind grasslands and accumulating and "condensing" it to a point that it might affect your health.
Besides, potassium iodine only protects your thyroid from radioactive iodine uptake....
And it has already been mentioned that the most serious radioactive "elements" that might be dispersed by a full meltdown (Cesium, for example) are
not prevented in ANY way by potassium iodine - or most any other preventative action (other that leaving the area of contamination completely). All
lessons learned at Chernobyl.
Meanwhile the iodine tablet frenzy is in full tilt boogie.....
Simple Nomad Solution ? ? ? Drink beer instead of milk....
Anyone with me on this ?
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Dave
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