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Barbarosa
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
For every 1,000 homes, Baja California has 306 registered home crimes, Baja California Sur has 211, and Quintana Roo has 176.
Source: El Robo a Hogares, ICESI. |
(Gee, I wonder if a bunch of them sit unoccupied a lot.)
Like I said: If you prefer to live in fear, go for it! (What a stupid choice.) But if you just like to preach it, that's just rude.
Barbarosa
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longlegsinlapaz
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jenny.navarrette, I've noticed a definite theme to the majority, if not all, of your posts....it's Mexico bashing, cynicism &
negativity. I can't recall having read a single positive post about Mexico or the people that you've made, but I'll admit it's simply not worth my
time to go back & read your 34 other posts to search for anything positive you might have expressed.
Did anyone who posted here say that BCS is crime-free? Of course there's crime here....as with anywhere in the world. As I originally stated, if
people pay attention to their surroundings, don't drive the highway at night, don't take foolish risks, keep their eye on their possessions, the risk
of random criminal activity against them is minimal....in the overall scheme of things.
I'll pose the same question to you that I posed norte....have you personally been in BCS in the past 10-15 years, or are all your visits via the
media?
Oh, for the sake of accuracy, one other biggie you overlooked was the fact that El Teo was apprehended in a (his?) home in the Fidepaz neighborhood of
La Paz....without a shot being fired, if I recall correctly.
Safety & how it's perceived, is pretty much the sum of each individual's personal experiences & perspective. Granted, there is such a thing
as being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but in my 12 years here, I've personally yet to find that place!
norte, can you please explain what those "registered home crimes" have to do with a tourist on vacation in Baja? How many of those
were domestic violence crimes against a spouse? How would those "registered home crime" stats be applicable to a tourist on a dive vacation? Baja is
NOT the modern-day version of Sodom & Gomorrah! Please keep things in perspective!
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norte
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barbarosa
| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
For every 1,000 homes, Baja California has 306 registered home crimes, Baja California Sur has 211, and Quintana Roo has 176.
Source: El Robo a Hogares, ICESI. |
(Gee, I wonder if a bunch of them sit unoccupied a lot.)
Like I said: If you prefer to live in fear, go for it! (What a stupid choice.) But if you just like to preach it, that's just rude.
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No more rude than you posting that Mexico is safe. Wake up. People are robbed, they are shot, they go missing.... To try to convince people
otherwise is foolish.
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bajabass
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Then hide in your house and spread fear on the internet????? Great choice!!! Where do you live, and what are the crime rates there????
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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Barbarosa
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barbarosa
Like I said: If you prefer to live in fear, go for it! (What a stupid choice.) But if you just like to preach it, that's just rude.
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No more rude than you posting that Mexico is safe. Wake up. People are robbed, they are shot, they go missing.... To try to convince people
otherwise is foolish. |
Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
(I'd say you don't even know what "rude" is!)
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Barbarosa
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| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
I'm waiting for someone to lecture her on the risks of diving. |
Don't do it in a sack.
You're welcome.
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elizabeth
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barbarosa
| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
I'm waiting for someone to lecture her on the risks of diving. |
Don't do it in a sack.
You're welcome. |
There is a major risk to diving in April...you might get cold if you don't wear 7mm!
Oh, yeah, and here's a serious bus warning...bad movies.
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jenny.navarrette
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| Quote: | Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz
Safety & how it's perceived, is pretty much the sum of each individual's personal experiences & perspective. |
No. Safety is a measurable statistic derived from dividing the number of crimes by the population, which produces a crime rate per capita. How it is
PERCEIVED, may vary from individual to individual. However, perceptions are not reality.
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ScubaVicki
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Thanks Nomads
| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
I guess I don't understand why every time somebody here asks a personal safety question in a specific context, a couple of people with anti-Mexico
agendas who don't live here respond with crime reports that are irrelevant to the proposed activity. ScubaVicki didn't ask about child kidnappings,
home invasions, robberies of campers, bus-jackings in Matamoros, or "collaboration with organized crime". She wants to take a bus or plane from Point
A to Point B and go diving. Now I'm waiting for someone to lecture her on the risks of diving.  |
Thank you for getting to the point morgaine7. I feel like all the negative replies were from people wanting to keep the beauty of the Baja a secret
from progress and tourists and I truly understand that. I saw Cabo explode and wish it was still small (that's why I want to go to Loreto) but if you
are anti-Mexico why would you even bother to be a Baja Nomad?
elizabeth Thanks for the dive shop info and positive attitude!
And I wore 9 mil wetsuit in Cabo in 56 degree water and was fine. Anybody else out there dive in Loreto? 
Planes are quite expensive it seems ($800), as is car rental and driving. While the bus sounds like a long ride, what better way to see more of Baja
Sur. The Aguila Bus site seems to be not working. And google maps doesn't give driving directions that seem accurate so I am wondering if the ride is
a coastal ride or interior ride.
Oh, and I have common sense and am always aware of my surroundings and while I am a good shot, I don't plan on packing while in Mexico. 
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Howard
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Vicki
Check your U-2U
[Edited on 4-24-2011 by Howard]
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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Cypress
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Mexicans aren't gonna kill the "golden goose" AKA tourists. Who would?The majority of gringos that come to grief south of the border? Not certain, but
suspect they're involved in some fashion with the ongoing drug/human trafficking business.
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mulegejim
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Once you get to La Paz there is only one highway going north and that is Mex-1 - some coastal but most up the center. You may also check on the ABC
bus line site. Jim
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Cypress
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Get a rental car in Cabo and enjoy the ride. It's any easy drive from Cabo to La Paz. If you're gonna return the same day? Why be in a hurry? Visit
Tados Santos. Take some pictures. Give us a report.
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windgrrl
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Hi,
We drove the length of the peninsula and also traveled around in the area between Cabo and La Paz. We stayed on the East Cape for 3.5 months this
winter. We had a great time. We did not have any scary experiences.
Yes, like anywhere in the world, there is some ongoing crime here, mostly petty crime There are also other incidents as noted previously in this post.
There have been bad people living locally that have arrested. Just like anywhere, people get hurt doing risky things (Baja 300 accident injuries) and
stupid things (wrong time+wrong place+wrong people+ drugs/alcohol). So, research and take travel safety precautions as you would in any unfamiliar
place. I would say that the East Cape area is no more dangerous than my small hometown...probably less dangerous. The problem with a statistical
comparison is that crime statistics collections vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Thus, we only have anecdotes to fall back on. Compared with
the happenings in my area this weekend...the East Cape is pretty quiet.
There are lots of good tips and references for single female travelers, starting with on-line information. I met many singles females living full-time
and part-time in the East Cape. They have circles of good friends. For the most part, people look out for each other. We have been guided by helpful
people at the airport. You can also book a taxi in advance to take you from the airport to your destination.
Some people simply will not feel psychologically safe traveling to some places in light of how they interpret the information they have at hand. So do
your research, be prepared, and stay safe. And there is no guarantee for safety anywhere, that's part of what makes an adventure exciting.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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norte
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Hmmmm this 65 yearold single lady worried about security turns out to be a "packing" good shot, who has seen cabo explode. The troll wins!
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ScubaVicki
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Travel to and from Loreto and Cabo
morgaine7 My mistake on air fares. I was reading pesos and thinking dollars. Flying looks to be the way to travel, just have to rearrange plans to
fit flight schedules. Thanks for pointing that out. A big help. 
Now somebody tell me about dive sites. I promise to wear 9mil. and want to take lots of underwater photos.
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windgrrl
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Now somebody tell me about dive sites. I promise to wear 9mil. and want to take lots of underwater photos. |
...now you're talking dangerous! Just Google "Cabo Pulmo" + diving and enjoy!
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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Phil S
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If she's a normally packin' lady, but not down "there", I'll betcha she knows how to use her 'feet' if need be 
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BajaBlanca
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good luck scubavicki and welcome welcome to Baja Nomads. when you are done with your adventure - post a trip report .... Have Fun !!
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