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Sanoviv Medical facilty
Sanoviv Health Center in Rosarito? Does anyone know about this place?I can't seem to find it on my web searches.My very sick daughter has told me that
she may want /need to go there.If we are paying for it, I need some info.Thanks, I hope..
[Edited on 5-20-2011 by Sallysouth]
[Edited on 5-20-2011 by Sallysouth]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
My very sick daughter has told me that she may want /need to go there.
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I'm very saddened to read this, Sally.
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Here ya go, Sally. It's a start:
http://tinyurl.com/3j7kqsv
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Ah gezz Sally, I don't know anything about the place. I am so sorry to read that you need the information about it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
Fanoviv Health Center in Rosarito? Does anyone know about this place?I can't seem to find it on my web searches.My very sick daughter has told me that
she may want /need to go there.If we are paying for it, I need some info.Thanks, I hope.. |
Oh No----it seemed so recent that the news was good. Really sad and hope whatever direction you all choose will be of help to all of you! 
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Sallysouth
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Thanks All.This is daughter #1, Juanita.She has a mysterious illness and they cannot seem to be able to diagnose it.She has been down for weeks, and
in intense pain, high fevers.Supposedly some(more) test results will be in today.Daughter#2, Maalaea is doing just fine, Diana!And jenny.navarrete,
what do you know about this place that you claim "quackery"???I want to know as much as I can!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
Thanks All.This is daughter #1, Juanita.She has a mysterious illness and they cannot seem to be able to diagnose it.She has been down for weeks, and
in intense pain, high fevers.Supposedly some(more) test results will be in today.Daughter#2, Maalaea is doing just fine, Diana!And jenny.navarrete,
what do you know about this place that you claim "quackery"???I want to know as much as I can! |
Assumptions are ALWAYS a very dangerous thing----and I am very guilty. I so hope your new family problem is solved QUICKLY.
I don't know anything about that clinic, but I do know people who have had very good luck with alternative medical care.
Good Luck!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
jenny.navarrete, what do you know about this place that you claim "quackery"???I want to know as much as I can! |
Well, where should I start? If you look up the director of that clinic, Myron Wentz, you will find he is not a medical doctor but a PhD. He is a
defendant in a lawsuit for a multi-level marketing company in the US (e.g. a ponzi scheme.)
If you believe that this clinic can help your daughter, you have to suspend all reason and believe that somehow Mexican doctors, who only require a
4-year education to receive a Mexican medical license, know much more about medicine than American doctors who require a minimum of 12-years medical
education.
You will also have to believe that somehow, apocryphal comments from people on how they were cured are more valid than controlled medical tests.
You will have to believe that somehow, in spite of the fact that there are no scientific studies showing any merit to the therapies this quack
expouses, they work anyway, and the rest of the entire medical profession is just stupid.
This clinic, and many more like it in Mexico, are parasites that prey upon sick and dying people by giving them false hope to suck the last dollars
out of their pockets. This clinic is in Mexico because it would be illegal in the US. This clinic is in Mexico because they are immune to malpractice
lawsuits in Mexico.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
jenny.navarrete, what do you know about this place that you claim "quackery"???I want to know as much as I can! |
and believe that somehow Mexican doctors, who only require a 4-year education to receive a Mexican medical license, know much more about medicine than
American doctors who require a minimum of 12-years medical education.
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LOL!! you have no clue what you are talking about. It takes 5 yrs of school, 1 yr as an intern, and another year out doing social services before you
become a regular doctor in Mexico. And theres some EXCELENT doctors in Mexico, specifically in cancer treatment medicine.
This is a serious issue, don't make up stuff and give out advice based on ignorance.
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I would also add, that doctors in Mexico because this is not a 1st world country, have much more experience dealing with cancers that are in latter
stages and that are much more agressive. People in the US thanks to good medical care are usually diagnosed and treated much earlier than in Mexico,
so the regular doctor doesn't get to deal with cancers that are advanced. How do i know this? my mother was diagnosed here in Mexico with cancer, and
the Mexican doctor told her only inmediate surgery would get rid of the cancer or otherwise she would die. The surgery was agressive and she would
need a lot of physical therapy afterwards. My mom decided to go and get a second opinion in the US, where the doctors told her the Mex doctor was
crazy and that regular chimo would do it. She opted for the US treatment and 1 year later she died, the chimo did not work. The american doctor did
admit perhaps agressive surgery like the mex doctor suggested would have been a better choice.
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jenny.navarrette
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You see, Jesse will give us anecdotal personal experiences instead of a scientific study. Just like Sanaviv, eh? You want some anectodal stories
Jesse?
Why don't you tell the good folks here about the little girl in Baja for which Mexican medicine failed to diagnose a congenital heart defect for
years. Instead the IMSS doctors just gave her antibiotics. Why don't you tell everybody that after an American intervened and got her to a hospital
that finally got the diagnosis correct, they then told her to try to get the corrective surgery done in the US, as Mexico lacked the capability?
| Quote: | Dr. Genes: How does a Mexican medical school differ from the US model?
MMS: Well, since I have not attended a US school personally, I'm going by what I know through my cousin (who graduated a year ago) and other friends
from whom I got a good idea. Mainly, the biggest difference is the student population: The United States weeds out students before they get in the
door, and attrition/failure is very low. By contrast, the flimsy requirements of many international schools, such as mine, allow entry of people who
either shouldn't be here or who haven't quite "gotten it" yet about what needs to change for them to do well. As such, you have [a student body] that
ranges from brilliant, acing everything, to good, hard-working (by far the majority), to those that seem destined to not make it. There aren't any
quotas for passing/failing, but the M.O. is that you are thrown into the deep end, and you have to sink or swim primarily of your own merit; there are
no retention/tutoring/special programs to help, and most of the faculty teach their own notes with little correlation of what's "on par" with an
LCME-accredited school -- you make up that difference yourself.
It's also impossible to separate culture from where you go to school in a foreign country, and unless you are familiar with the Mexican culture (I was
raised on the border, and even I had quite a bit of adjustment), it can be daunting. I know people who left here, not because they couldn't hack the
academics, but because they refused to assimilate and go with the flow. (You aren't going to change an institution as a whiny foreigner.) There is a
strong patriarchal "What I know is right and to hell with what the American journals say" kind of attitude at times, but thankfully, one sees that
more in the older physicians who will hopefully retire soon and stop endangering patients.
Also, it's not that hard to be a doctor here -- just keep going to school, pass, and take a not-that-difficult test when you're done. That's it;
you're set for as long as you like. Residency here is famously hard to get into, and most doctors just stay with their GP status, even though they'll
advertise treating everything under the sun. Personally, I'm always wary of who I see as a physician here, because I know that Dr. So-and-so could
have done only the 4 years of school (plus internship and social service), or they could have done a residency/fellowship, etc. Believe me, I run for
the hills if I see the former, especially when it's been years since they've opened a book or read a journal. This doesn't describe most general
doctors who try to at least stay somewhat current on recent findings, but there is very little oversight to help find out who isn't that way or to
what degree.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/541993 |
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
You see, Jesse will give us anecdotal personal experiences instead of a scientific study. Just like Sanaviv, eh? You want some anectodal stories
Jesse?
Why don't you tell the good folks here about the little girl in Baja for which Mexican medicine failed to diagnose a congenital heart defect for
years. Instead the IMSS doctors just gave her antibiotics. Why don't you tell everybody that after an American intervened and got her to a hospital
that finally got the diagnosis correct, they then told her to try to get the corrective surgery done in the US, as Mexico lacked the capability?
| Quote: | Dr. Genes: How does a Mexican medical school differ from the US model?
MMS: Well, since I have not attended a US school personally, I'm going by what I know through my cousin (who graduated a year ago) and other friends
from whom I got a good idea. Mainly, the biggest difference is the student population: The United States weeds out students before they get in the
door, and attrition/failure is very low. By contrast, the flimsy requirements of many international schools, such as mine, allow entry of people who
either shouldn't be here or who haven't quite "gotten it" yet about what needs to change for them to do well. As such, you have [a student body] that
ranges from brilliant, acing everything, to good, hard-working (by far the majority), to those that seem destined to not make it. There aren't any
quotas for passing/failing, but the M.O. is that you are thrown into the deep end, and you have to sink or swim primarily of your own merit; there are
no retention/tutoring/special programs to help, and most of the faculty teach their own notes with little correlation of what's "on par" with an
LCME-accredited school -- you make up that difference yourself.
It's also impossible to separate culture from where you go to school in a foreign country, and unless you are familiar with the Mexican culture (I was
raised on the border, and even I had quite a bit of adjustment), it can be daunting. I know people who left here, not because they couldn't hack the
academics, but because they refused to assimilate and go with the flow. (You aren't going to change an institution as a whiny foreigner.) There is a
strong patriarchal "What I know is right and to hell with what the American journals say" kind of attitude at times, but thankfully, one sees that
more in the older physicians who will hopefully retire soon and stop endangering patients.
Also, it's not that hard to be a doctor here -- just keep going to school, pass, and take a not-that-difficult test when you're done. That's it;
you're set for as long as you like. Residency here is famously hard to get into, and most doctors just stay with their GP status, even though they'll
advertise treating everything under the sun. Personally, I'm always wary of who I see as a physician here, because I know that Dr. So-and-so could
have done only the 4 years of school (plus internship and social service), or they could have done a residency/fellowship, etc. Believe me, I run for
the hills if I see the former, especially when it's been years since they've opened a book or read a journal. This doesn't describe most general
doctors who try to at least stay somewhat current on recent findings, but there is very little oversight to help find out who isn't that way or to
what degree.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/541993 |
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LOL!! even more clueless. NOBODY, nobody in their right mind would get treatment for a serious disease at IMSS, everybody knows that. Now, having said
that, theres some private hospital here in Mexico that have EXCELENT doctors. If you had any clue to what you are saying, you would know these FACTS.
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I'd consider taking her to CIMA Hospital in Hermosillo. Absolutely top notch hospital. Very modern. English speaking interpreters that accompany you
on your consultations. Cost of procedures runs about 1/4-1/3 of US prices. Many insurance plans accepted IF the insurance company is willing. And they
often are, due to the reduced expenses to them.
It'a about 1.5 hours north of where I live or about 3.5 hours below the Arizona border on a 4 lane highway. I live in a town with a high percentage of
retirees and the number of positive recommendations for CIMA are everywhere, here. We're talking chemo, radiation, invasive surgeries; the works.
Of course, this is Western medicine. I'd get opinions from both Western and alternative medicine providers and then make your decision.
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The young lady needs to be diagnosed before she can be treated. On which side of the border has she been seen to date?
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Sallysouth
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Dennis, She lives in Cabo.She has seen doctors down there and they have also come to her house when she cannot make it to the hospital.There are days
when she cannot sit and barely speak. The test results from yesterday came back inconclusive for Fibromyalgia or Rheumatiod diseases, also HIV.,all
negative.
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They must be doing well, the owner recently bought a drop dead gorgeous ocean front home in Las Gaviotas for over $1,000,000....and I have talked with
folks who used thier services and were very happy....Different strokes for different folks....in medicine there is no "one size fits all"....good luck
on your search for treatment...
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sallysouth
Dennis, She lives in Cabo.She has seen doctors down there and they have also come to her house when she cannot make it to the hospital.There are days
when she cannot sit and barely speak. The test results from yesterday came back inconclusive for Fibromyalgia or Rheumatiod diseases, also HIV.,all
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I thought she did live south. Anyway Sally...maybe it's time to send her north for another diagnosis. I know from past experience that the docs here
in Ensenada, as good as some are, would have her up north in a minute. Equipment, if nothing else, is far superior.
By North, I mean USA...not Rosarito.
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I for one, hope she at least gets diagnosed really fast. that is the first step. best of luck and she is in my prayers.
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