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capitolkat
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Can the police take my drivers license
I did a little tango with the local municpal policia this week and when he saw I wasn't going to pay the mordida he let me go with a warning. but,
during the dance he had my license and said he was keeping it and i could get it back tomorow when I paid the $200USD fine for speeding. I told him he
couldn't have my license - write the infraction and I would pay the ticket at the transito the next day. ( it was 6PM) he said-- "how much do you
want to pay" "won't you pay $100" all in english-- My response I pay nothing at the side of the road. he twice said " El licensia para mi"
while I didn't pay and he gave me my license back-- Could he have legally kept my license?
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BajaGringo
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Good reason to keep your old, expired license from NOB. Hand that to them instead...
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Cypress
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He could have shot you and left your license in the dirt.
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Curt63
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Not if you handed him a photocopy
No worries
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I always carry a laminated color copy of my DL.......good throwaway insurance. Never give up the original.
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rob
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capitolkat - the answer is . . YES - the police get to keep your license, at least in La Paz. Article 67 and 68 of the Leyes de Transito de La Paz
state:
"ARTÍCULO 67.- Los conductores de vehículos de motor que cometan
alguna infracción, tienen la obligación de presentar a los Agentes de la
Policía de Tránsito su respectiva licencia de conducir y la tarjeta de
circulación del vehículo y una vez levantada la Infracción le serán devueltos
los documentos presentados.
ARTÍCULO 68.- Cuando se recoja una licencia conforme lo establece
la fracción I del artículo 64 del presente Reglamento, deberá remitirse a la Dirección, para que le sea entregada al conductor una vez que haya
liquidado la multa y se registre la infracción para su control y efectos estadísticos."
Run em through Babelfish or similar if your Spanish is equivalent to mine.
(with acknowledgement to Judith P)
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
I always carry a laminated color copy of my DL.......good throwaway insurance. Never give up the original. |
Good info, I'm going employ that. I was under the impression
a Mex Cop cannot keep a foreigners license, could be
totally wrong though
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shari
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yup....they keep your license till the fine has been paid...normal procedure here too.
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JESSE
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The Police CAN'T take away your drivers licence, the drivers licence is considered private property, and thus, any police oficer that takes your
drivers licence, is technically stealing. In most states in Mexico, this practice has been banned because its unconstitutional. A few times cops here
in La Paz have tried to take my drivers licence, and i have made it very clear i would inmediately sue him personally for robbery.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The Police CAN'T take away your drivers licence, the drivers licence is considered private property, and thus, any police oficer that takes your
drivers licence, is technically stealing. In most states in Mexico, this practice has been banned because its unconstitutional. A few times cops here
in La Paz have tried to take my drivers licence, and i have made it very clear i would inmediately sue him personally for robbery.
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So what about what rob posted regarding La Paz laws?
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
The Police CAN'T take away your drivers licence, the drivers licence is considered private property, and thus, any police oficer that takes your
drivers licence, is technically stealing. In most states in Mexico, this practice has been banned because its unconstitutional. A few times cops here
in La Paz have tried to take my drivers licence, and i have made it very clear i would inmediately sue him personally for robbery.
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So what about what rob posted regarding La Paz laws? |
La Paz laws are wrong, they are not above the constitution, and this illegal law will soon be eliminated.
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David K
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Thanks Jesse, I thought you might say that!
So, when are you running for mayor of La Paz!?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
A few times cops here in La Paz have tried to take my drivers licence, and i have made it very clear i would inmediately sue him personally for
robbery. |
Sue him?? What the ***? Is there no element of control over these a-hole cops who treat people like ATMs?
Is there someone in government who cares???
The big boycott is in order.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Sue him?? What the flock? Is there no element of control over these a-hole cops who treat people like ATMs?
Is there someone in government who cares???
The big boycott is in order. |
I guess that's what happens when nobody has a gun
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Bajahowodd
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Hmmm. I really don't recall seeing any post as to where that happened. So may I assume this happened in the La Paz area?
In any event, I side with Jesse on this. Despite all the wild west theatrics, I just cannot see a cop shooting someone on the public roadway over such
an inconsequential matter.
Don't let him hold on to your license. Agree to follow him to the Municipo if he will agree.
All that said, $200 USD for speeding sounds like a pipe dream. I've walked away paying $20 or less a number of times.
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woody with a view
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yeah, but the less calloused have given up their arse enough to keep the rookie cops teething on the hide of the gringo......
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
In any event, I side with Jesse on this. Despite all the wild west theatrics, I just cannot see a cop shooting someone on the public roadway over such
an inconsequential matter.
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"You are under arrest. Get into my vehicle."
What do you do then, Howard?
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gnukid
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No the police can not deprive you of your property or license in Mexico. Write down the laws, understand them, quote them and hand a copy to cops when
they go nuts in el centro. Learn the law and practice it often or you will be victimized.
Poor translation of Articulo 14
Article 14. No law shall have retroactive effect to the detriment of any person.
No one shall be deprived of liberty or property, possessions or rights without a trial by courts previously established in which the essential
formalities of procedure and in accordance with the laws enacted prior to the event.
Article 16. No one shall be molested in his person, family, home, papers or possessions except by written order of the competent authority, founded in
and motivated by legal procedural cause.
Article 21. The investigation of crimes is for the public prosecutor and the police, which operate under the leadership and command that in exercising
this function.
The exercise of the criminal courts is for the prosecutors. The law determines the cases in which individuals may engage in criminal proceedings
before a judicial authority.
The imposition of penalties, modification and duration are proper and exclusive authority
Judicial.
Compete to the appropriate administrative sanctions for violations of governmental and police regulations, which only consist of fine, arrest up to
thirty-six hours or work for the community, but if the offender fails to pay the fine that was imposed, be substituted by the corresponding period of
detention, which in any case exceed thirty-six hours.
If the offender of governmental and police regulations was a laborer, worker or employee shall not be liable to a fine greater than the amount of your
wages or salary of a day.
Being self-employed, the fine imposed for infringement of governmental and police regulations, shall not exceed the equivalent of one day of
admission.
Article 22. Punishments of death, mutilation, infamy, branding, flogging, beating with sticks, torture of any kind, excessive fines, confiscation of
property and any other unusual or extreme penalties. Any punishment must be proportionate to the crime and legally sanctioned affected.
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Artículo 14. A ninguna ley se dará efecto retroactivo en perjuicio de persona alguna.
Nadie podrá ser privado de la libertad o de sus propiedades, posesiones o derechos, sino mediante juicio seguido ante los tribunales previamente
establecidos, en el que se cumplan las formalidades esenciales del procedimiento y conforme a las Leyes expedidas con anterioridad al hecho.
Artículo 16. Nadie puede ser molestado en su persona, familia, domicilio, papeles o posesiones, sino en virtud de mandamiento escrito de la autoridad
competente, que funde y motive la causa legal del procedimiento.
Artículo 21. La investigación de los delitos corresponde al Ministerio Público y a las policías, las cuales actuarán bajo la conducción y mando de
aquél en el ejercicio de esta función.
El ejercicio de la acción penal ante los tribunales corresponde al Ministerio Público. La ley determinará los casos en que los particulares podrán
ejercer la acción penal ante la autoridad judicial.
La imposición de las penas, su modificación y duración son propias y exclusivas de la autoridad
Judicial.
Compete a la autoridad administrativa la aplicación de sanciones por las infracciones de los reglamentos gubernativos y de policía, las que únicamente
consistirán en multa, arresto hasta por treinta y seis horas o en trabajo a favor de la comunidad; pero si el infractor no pagare la multa que se le
hubiese impuesto, se permutará esta por el arresto correspondiente, que no excederá en ningún caso de treinta y seis horas.
Si el infractor de los reglamentos gubernativos y de policía fuese jornalero, obrero o trabajador, no podrá ser sancionado con multa mayor del importe
de su jornal o salario de un día.
Tratándose de trabajadores no asalariados, la multa que se imponga por infracción de los reglamentos gubernativos y de policía, no excederá del
equivalente a un día de su ingreso.
Artículo 22. Quedan prohibidas las penas de muerte, de mutilación, de infamia, la marca, los azotes, los palos, el tormento de cualquier especie, la
multa excesiva, la confiscación de bienes y cualesquiera otras penas inusitadas y trascendentales. Toda pena deberá ser proporcional al delito que
sancione y al bien jurídico afectado.
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gnu is always pulling a rabbit out of his, well, you know!
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capitolkat
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Thanks-- I had been lulled to sleep since it was so long ago since I got hassled by a cop. The incident was in La Paz and if someone's Spanish is
better than mine what I read in the ordinance is that I must present my license. Nothing about them taking my license and keeping it.
And there is no way I believed the fine was $200 USD. I was probabaly going 62 km per in a 60km zone while three MX plated cars passed me and then the
cop on the motorcycle caught up to me as the others sped away. As they say I was stopped for driving while Gringo in a big ole Gringo 97 Suburban.
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