As I had said earlier, I "SHOULD" have qualified the comment with "Shoot them down like the RABID Dogs they are".
As much as I admire Dogs (more so than most people), a RABID Dog has to be put down as quickly as possible to avoid infection.
As should the Rioters in a Mob.
Interestingly, the British authorities NOW realize that their response system was totally inadequate to the task and are consulting (now that the Barn
has burned down) U.S. Authorities for advice on handling Domestic Rioting.
THAT advice this a.m. from F.B.I. Domestic Terrorism experts has been:
SWIFT and OVERWHELMING (Deadly, if necessary) FORCE.
Hm, WHERE have I heard that one ?
Oh, Yeah !
One F.B.I. expert said that the British Met forces were completely unprepared psychologically for what they were faced with and had no idea how to
approach the problem.
DUH !
Interesting in the London coverage was an interview with two of the female participants in the Anarchy who said they were showing "THEM that they
could do whatever they Wanted to".
"Who", they were asked "are THEM" ?
"The Rich. We're showing the RICH that we can do anything we want to do to them".
"But, these are Local people you're hurting. What about them".
"It doesn't matter. They ARE the Rich. They have stores and shops so they're RICH. We're going to show THEM".
A phenomenon which I saw again and again as small shop-owners were destroyed (to never recover) in '65.
Faced with that mentality, there is no choice but to put them down harshly and restore order.
Better late than never.
AND, learn the lesson when the next time comes around.
ONLY Force is understood and effective.
BTW, Ann Coulter's latest (Best-Selling) tome "Demonic" centered around Mob Behavior is, as are ALL of her books, heavily referenced with
Footnotes/Endnotes on her factual historical points along with heavy reference to Gustave Le Bon's classic examination of "The Crowd" and the French
Revolution. Le Bon's book is available free on Kindle.
Originally posted by Brian L
Bill, I get your point, MOB's must be put down. I agree.
Are you okay with organized and peaceful protests?
The problem in London is the unemployed youth (and adults) being frustrated. That doesn't give them the right to riot though.
Brian---------in many ways we are ALL frustrated!!! Sometime as adults most of us realized that you cannot "act out" your frustrations in a civilized
society-----------I think Bill is right-----mobs MUST be put-down fast and with more force than the Mob's----whatever it takes. End of story.
Peaceful demonstrations are annoying, but exceptable, IMO. (but I am not Bill)
I get the point. All you bleeding hearts are attempting to justify arson, assault, murder, robbery, etc. as some sort of misguided form of social
justice. Something is very wrong with that line of thought.
Please, Cypress, don't use that disingenuous ploy of referring to those that don't see things your way as "defenders of mob behavior". Not believing
that the proper reaction and handling of a mob is annihilation and use of uncivilized methods such as putting them down as though they were a rabid
dog is not the same as defending a mob. That is a leap at best in logic and at least is intellectually dishonest, and offensive.
Mitchman, Seeing things my way? Disingenous ploy? Logic? Condeming arson, assault, murder, robbery, etc. is offensive to you? Jeez! Are you by any
chance posting from a prison somewhere?
Originally posted by Brian L
Bill, I get your point, MOB's must be put down. I agree.
Are you okay with organized and peaceful protests?
The problem in London is the unemployed youth (and adults) being frustrated. That doesn't give them the right to riot though.
If the masses don't get their needs met then it certainly is within their right to protest peacefully and if that doesn't work they have the right to
protest in more traditional ways, and that includes aggressive methods including overthrowing their corrupt governments no matter where they may be,
Europe, the middle east, and even the USA.
In the middle east Muslim countries one brutal dictator after another has fallen, although there are a few left in power, but no doubt know it's just
a matter of time they get thrown out too. You had mass protest in those middle east countries and although peaceful on the protestor's citizen side.
It did turn violent for awhile in many middle east countries while the brutal dictators tried to hold onto power.( so it might be a good idea for
protestors to carry along with their peace signs, guns, knifes, and rocks too.)
Perhaps what's going on in London is the start of what's going to happen in the rest of the capitalistic western world where the divide between the
rich and poor is growing every year and the middle class is disappearing? Since things still aren't that bad yet in the western world then maybe it
will be referred to " Revolution light" with a little mayhem, burning, and looting to get their message across, and that message would be, "share the
wealth" or lose everything. The London "protestors" are well coordinated thanks to I-phones, Blackberry, and Twitter.
Before the French Revolution Marie Antoinette, told the masses," let them eat cake.!" Well it's commonly attributed to Marie Antoinette anyway, but
look what happened to Marie Antoinette. In this new decade the western governments especially in the USA don't even offer us cake, and instead the US
government acts like a reverse Robin Hood where it wants to take from the middle class and poor and give to the rich!
I don't think the young adults out of work or heavily indebted students out of college with no job but heavily saddled with student loans in the USA
are going to take this much longer.
Already we seen protests in the Muslim middle east countries, Israel, and now England. Even in the Arizona in a John McCain town hall meeting the
crowd got hostile towards John McCain for his support for slashing the corporate tax rate, while cutting social services.( and these are old people
in Arizona)
So yes I wouldn't be surprised if we too in the USA experience both nonviolent, and violent protesting and really a mini revolution of anarchy.
I'm sorry the civilian police would not be able to contain it, nor the National guard. It would take too long for the military to get approved by the
courts to fight their own citizens, because currently US soldiers can't engage their own citizens.
...In typical fashion, it's the cops that lit the match by killing a young man in a poor London neighborhood.
It seems the sainted young man was being followed by a special unit of the police, not the usual 'Bobbies'. I doubt the special unit would waste
its time on just anyone. There was, according to several accounts, beliefe the young saint dealt drugs and was possibly armed. That was in London,
whats the excuse for riots/looting in other cities? The 'yob' mindset is not that uncommon in the UK, my cousins son is an example. (Bad Example
sadly) His passport was pulled because of trouble he caused at the World Cup a few years ago.
My problem with London is that it didn't even seem to start as a protest, but jumped that stage and moved directly to riot.
In the Middle East, it started as protests, and then turned to violence as the regimes reacted violently. Even then, most of these protests were void
of rioting and looting. Sadly, there were cases of both though.
Hopefully if things turn bad in the US and in Mexico, the protests can be done non-violently. I admire what the blacks did in the South in the 50's
and 60's. Yes there were some bad apples, but for the most part, the non-violent protesting worked.
I am afraid that these days, with social media, things could turn ugly quick. Absent a strong leader, protests will turn into riots...
Quote:
Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Quote:
Originally posted by Brian L
Bill, I get your point, MOB's must be put down. I agree.
Are you okay with organized and peaceful protests?
The problem in London is the unemployed youth (and adults) being frustrated. That doesn't give them the right to riot though.
If the masses don't get their needs met then it certainly is within their right to protest peacefully and if that doesn't work they have the right to
protest in more traditional ways, and that includes aggressive methods including overthrowing their corrupt governments no matter where they may be,
Europe, the middle east, and even the USA.
In the middle east Muslim countries one brutal dictator after another has fallen, although there are a few left in power, but no doubt know it's just
a matter of time they get thrown out too. You had mass protest in those middle east countries and although peaceful on the protestor's citizen side.
It did turn violent for awhile in many middle east countries while the brutal dictators tried to hold onto power.( so it might be a good idea for
protestors to carry along with their peace signs, guns, knifes, and rocks too.)
Perhaps what's going on in London is the start of what's going to happen in the rest of the capitalistic western world where the divide between the
rich and poor is growing every year and the middle class is disappearing? Since things still aren't that bad yet in the western world then maybe it
will be referred to " Revolution light" with a little mayhem, burning, and looting to get their message across, and that message would be, "share the
wealth" or lose everything. The London "protestors" are well coordinated thanks to I-phones, Blackberry, and Twitter.
Before the French Revolution Marie Antoinette, told the masses," let them eat cake.!" Well it's commonly attributed to Marie Antoinette anyway, but
look what happened to Marie Antoinette. In this new decade the western governments especially in the USA don't even offer us cake, and instead the US
government acts like a reverse Robin Hood where it wants to take from the middle class and poor and give to the rich!
I don't think the young adults out of work or heavily indebted students out of college with no job but heavily saddled with student loans in the USA
are going to take this much longer.
Already we seen protests in the Muslim middle east countries, Israel, and now England. Even in the Arizona in a John McCain town hall meeting the
crowd got hostile towards John McCain for his support for slashing the corporate tax rate, while cutting social services.( and these are old people
in Arizona)
So yes I wouldn't be surprised if we too in the USA experience both nonviolent, and violent protesting and really a mini revolution of anarchy.
I'm sorry the civilian police would not be able to contain it, nor the National guard. It would take too long for the military to get approved by the
courts to fight their own citizens, because currently US soldiers can't engage their own citizens.
I am amused at comfortable middle and upper class gringos opining about the protests of poor people in another country many thousands of miles away.
None of your opinions are informed or relevant!
Never judge a man (or woman) until you have walked a mile in his (or her) shoes!
And act is before you have to do so in the Crosshairs.
As far as protests go, there's a rather substantial (peaceful) one going on right now in Israel over issues of wealth distribution. No looting, no
burning, no killing.
Quite a contrast to the Lawlessness in England where minorities on the dole are killing other minorities and burning their businesses.
Scariest thing about what is happening in the UK, is that the whole idea about mobs and jobs and right and wrong will translate to the US in a whole
different manner.
The UK, much like most of the industrialized world has very strong restrictions on the ownership of weapons= guns.
Inasmuch as the American middle class has been devastated in a somewhat slow fashion since Reagan, but accelerated recently, just amkes me wonder just
how long it will take before the streets of America will make the UK appear to be a Sunday picnic.
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
just amkes me wonder just how long it will take before the streets of America will make the UK appear to be a Sunday picnic.
While probably not intended, the (hopeful ?) musing or expectation by Bajahowodd over the Mean streets migrating to the U.S., lends credence to those
of us who are Armed to the Hilt.
Just in case.
We may be called Paranoid by some, but we ARE prepared for THAT day.
BTW, it doesn't matter what event may have triggered the Trash to Riot. NO provocation should result in that response.
Man times police brutality by rogue corrupt cops is the spark that causes non-peaceful protests, riots, and even revolutions.
Here is a great "YouTube" video that gives me hope that one day the tables could be turned on the corrupt rogue cops that abuse their power around the
world, espeically in the USA:
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