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byoungquist
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Moving to Baja
Hello!
I've got my FM3 and a 30 year lease (3x10 years) on some property south of San Quintin. This will be a second home. I want take a boat, motorcycle,
storage building and personal items, including a refridgerator down in the next few weeks. I understand I have several months to do this with my FM3.
Any advice or direction to internet sites as to documentation needed and other procedures to follow crossing from San Diego? I'll move everything
with my own 18' covered trailer and 16' flatbed. I also plan to build a deck on the property; so...do I buy materials at Home Depot in Ensenada or
bring my own across the border?
Thanks!
Bob
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bajamedic
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Sorry no suggestions, but I am just a little jealous. JH
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David K
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See Ron 'Baja Gringo' here and his own forum site http://TalkBaja.com with lots on building his home in San Quintin (on the beach opposite San Martin Island.).
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nbacc
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You should get all the info you need from the kind people on this website..they really know all! We took all our stuff(household) in a covered
trailer but no building materials. that might be your sticky point. good luck with it and I also am jealous as I would like to spend much more time
in Mexico then I do, Nancy
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mcfez
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30 year lease?
I'm not trolling here...but you got a 30 year lease in Mexico? Oh oh.......
By law, leases for terms of in excess of ten years are neither legal, nor valid in any Mexican court. Nor have they ever been, There is no such thing
as a 99 year lease. Neither is a 10-10-10 renewable for 30 years. By Mexican law, no residential lease in excess of 10 years less a month is legal.
Case closed!
Commercial Leases can be for up to 15 years, and industrial leases for up to 20 years.
This subject is the source of major differences here at BN....it's a on going debate.
Yes:
See Ron 'Baja Gringo' here and his own forum site http://TalkBaja.com with lots on building his home in San Quintin (on the beach opposite San Martin Island.).
[Edited on 8-13-2011 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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DENNIS
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Hey Bob......no such thing as a thirty year lease. I wouldn't belabor this point 'cause it's already been mentioned although, I'm gonna tell you why.
These long term things have no clout in court. A lease....if that's what you think you have, [which you probably don't] is no better than a rental
agreement and it's only good, in court of law, for ten years. [actually...probably never]
I say this to you in hopes that you don't invest your life in this lie. You control nothing and the more you invest, the more you may lose.
No protections......no laws....no reason to think as you do.
You came to the right place for clarification.
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[Edited on 8-13-2011 by DENNIS]
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byoungquist
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Here's the terms: the agreement is the same as about 20 other Americans have had for the past 30+ years in the same colony with no know issues. It's
an agreement with the Mexican landowner, a good friend, that is comprised of a series of three 9 year 11 month leases. Upon expiration of each 9 year
11 month lease a new lease is renewed at a stated monthy rate...same thing for the third and final 9 year 11 month period. This process is very well
described in the lease agreement. The agreement was prepared, registered and signed with a English speaking translator present at the the Notary #2
Office in Ensenada. As some of you may know, a Notary in Mexico is of the highest authority and legality. The registration fee was $150 US.
Now...how about some info on moving my stuff down there?
Thanks,
Bob
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When we brought our stuff down we bought a 16' flatbed and then built a wooden box onto it (enclosed it) and used that material when we took it apart
upon arrival. I think, not sure, but perhaps they frown on you just hauling a bunch of lumber down.
Be sure you box any small items, number the boxes, prepare a list in English and Spanish relating to each box. When you get to the border, go to the
declare lane and show them your FM3 and that should exempt you from importation taxes. I believe there is an import company right there as well, so if
you have any problems, you could speak to them. We did have to pay an import company to help us because at that time we did not speak Spanish and
needed their help.
The FM3-non importation taxes relates to ordinary household items including refrig, stove, washer, dryer, kitchen supplies, bathroom stuff, etc. If
you are bringing in anything that even looks new, you will probably have to pay import taxes on those (bring the original sales receipt) Not sure
about boats, etc. Make sure you have your ownership and registration
papers for all vehicles, trailers, boats, motorcycles, etc.
hope this helps.
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J.P.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by byoungquist
Here's the terms: the agreement is the same as about 20 other Americans have had for the past 30+ years in the same colony with no know issues. It's
an agreement with the Mexican landowner, a good friend, that is comprised of a series of three 9 year 11 month leases. Upon expiration of each 9 year
11 month lease a new lease is renewed at a stated monthy rate...same thing for the third and final 9 year 11 month period. This process is very well
described in the lease agreement. The agreement was prepared, registered and signed with a English speaking translator present at the the Notary #2
Office in Ensenada. As some of you may know, a Notary in Mexico is of the highest authority and legality. The registration fee was $150 US.
Now...how about some info on moving my stuff down there?
Thanks,
If you belive your lease is legal you probably wouldnt belive anything any of us told you either. So shoot your best shot and good luck.
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DENNIS
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"If you belive your lease is legal you probably wouldnt belive anything any of us told you either. So shoot your best shot and good luck."
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In-***in-deed.
So....you know all about 'cause your buddys and your landlord said it was so.
Wake up and listen to those who know.
You are so typical of the marooonic expat that comes down here, with his US mindset, to design your buisness deals with Mexicans, thinking you have
control.
You don't...
What you have to do is change your mindset. Once you pass through the border, it is no longer your world and you are the victim. You're acceptance
of this fact will determine your future here.
Don't ever tell us about your special arraingement with a landlord because, we know how meaningless it is.
Do yourself a favor, Noob to Baja....listen to those who know.
If you think you know better...........fry in the pan.....which you will.
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DENNIS
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In fact....don't move down here. You're too stoooopid to asimilate and you would embarrass me if you tried.
If you need to live in Mexico....move to Los Angeles.
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by byoungquist
Here's the terms: the agreement is the same as about 20 other Americans have had for the past 30+ years in the same colony with no know issues. It's
an agreement with the Mexican landowner, a good friend, that is comprised of a series of three 9 year 11 month leases. Upon expiration of each 9 year
11 month lease a new lease is renewed at a stated monthy rate...same thing for the third and final 9 year 11 month period. This process is very well
described in the lease agreement. The agreement was prepared, registered and signed with a English speaking translator present at the the Notary #2
Office in Ensenada. As some of you may know, a Notary in Mexico is of the highest authority and legality. The registration fee was $150 US.
Now...how about some info on moving my stuff down there?
Thanks,
Bob |
Hey Bob...
Some of us have been in Baja for "ever". Some...not. I can tell you from fact...that I own and lease in Mexico.....and not just Baja.....that you have
a serious issue. There are many investors that have been doomed....exactly as you are set up to be.....with official docs and assumptions. We are
just attempting to convey a message to you...that the law is the law......as some of us have spoken here.
I encourage you to contact the Mexican Embassy or Consulates in the United States....and ask them of this simple question....what is the legal limits
of a lease.
Where I live in San Felipe....we got retired school teachers to business owners....and half of them believe that they got 20 year terms!
Dont believe us here...go ask yourself.
[Edited on 8-14-2011 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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DENNIS
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Oh....sorry. Someone reminded me that I didn't say, "assshole."
I apologize.
Maybe a home on Catalina Island would suit you?????
You could have a Mexican maid........or pool cleaner. Whatever you crave.
AMF
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byoungquist
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Well, excuse me! Guess I'll try another forum.
Adios!
Bob
PS: I've been going to Baja since 1971 and spend several months down there every year hunting and fishing. My casa on "my property" will start out
as a 5th wheel trailer.
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Stickers
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Great site for Mexico info
Good luck with your project -
http://www.rollybrook.com/Page%20Directory.htm
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by byoungquist
Well, excuse me! Guess I'll try another forum.
Adios!
Bob
PS: I've been going to Baja since 1971 and spend several months down there every year hunting and fishing. My casa on "my property" will start out
as a 5th wheel trailer. |
Now look what you did DENNIS! I bet you be blaming this Bob guy for taking your garbage cans too 
[Edited on 8-14-2011 by mcfez]
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byoungquist
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I think I'll hang around for a while; this forum is kind of fun.
Cheers!
Bob
San Diego
"Numerous studies have show that a large percentage of forum posters are either stoned or drunk."
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mcfez
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| Quote: | Originally posted by byoungquist
I think I'll hang around for a while; this forum is kind of fun.
Cheers!
Bob
San Diego
"Numerous studies have show that a large percentage of forum posters are either stoned or drunk."
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So......since you are here...this study includes you, yes?
Lighten up Dude...we were just trying to help you.
[Edited on 8-14-2011 by mcfez]
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byoungquist
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Touche!
Bob
San Diego
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byoungquist
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Diana T, is that an x-rate picture of you?...I'm simple confirming my previous premise re: a high percentage of posters to forms. I think I'll have
one more and retire for the evening.
Seriously, thanks to all except DENNIS.
Cheers!
Bob
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