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woody with a view
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perhaps they use propane like the rest of us campers.... ever watch man vs. wild? pretty easy to bring a fire source and scrounge for something to
burn. if all else fails, eat your roadkill cold..... 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
if all else fails, eat your roadkill cold..... |
YUMMY...........
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Oddjob
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chrisx, you aren't attempting to cook up some meth are you?
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bajamigo
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tripledigitken
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Makes a good c-cktail too.
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Loretana
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Home Depot in the US has it.
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
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BajaBruno
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chrisx, I'm not sure where you are. If you are still in the U.S., Lowes has stove alcohol. Crown brand will work, as will Klean-Strip. If you are
in Mexico, I would try a hardware store and look for a shellac thinner--you should find what you want.
Christopher Bruno, Elk Grove, CA.
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Maderita
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Chrisx,
Is this for your Sierra San Pedro Martir trip?
A few of my climbing partners use Trangia alcohol stoves. Super simple and weigh next to nothing. They kick ass. You might want to check out Trangia.
I don't know if it is available without the complete (and expensive) cook kit.
http://www.libertymountain.com/shop/search.asp?q=trangia&...
This might be a good alternative to the Trangia:
http://www.libertymountain.com/shop/product.asp?p=4450&p...
or
http://www.libertymountain.com/shop/product.asp?p=5088&p...
I'm still a long time fan of MSR stoves, multi-fuel type, though I use white gasoline (aka Coleman stove fuel). Alcohol stoves have their advantages
in weight saving by several ounces. As a safety issue, I will never let anyone light an alcohol stove anywhere near my tent or in the van.
[Edited on 8-24-2011 by Maderita]
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wilderone
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I bought some at Southwest Marine and at Lowes - S-L-X Denatured Alcohol by Klean-Strip, 32 oz can. Works great in my alcohol stoves. You can put it
in small plastic travel containers or plastic hair shampoo containers, etc. Make sure your alcohol stove setup fits your pans. It is essential to
have a windscreen which, by design, supports your cooking utensil - your pot diameter may too small to be supported. I used the components of two
different alcohol stoves to come up with a combination that works for me. Another solution is to take 3 metal stakes - like long nails - as a support
for pans. That way you can adjust them as needed.
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chrisx
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Yes, Sierra San Pedro is a long ways up.
So I will have to be a lot more weight conscious for this trip. Cooking on a fire is the lightest way to go. Little alcohol stoves make a good backup
plan. They are not really for daily use, because they are not fuel efficient. For daily cooking an MSR multi fuel stove would be better, because they
are more fuel efficient. Fuel is heavy. Especially if there is a lot of coffee in your pack.
I think Trianga wants us to buy an expensive cook kit. An Alcohol stove is very easy to make and very cheap. I still have the first one I made a few
years ago. http://royrobinson.homestead.com/Cat_Stove.html I use 3 rocks for a pan supporter, and a natural wind block. Another time I made one with a
pocket knife.
I intended to bring the Dragon Fly, but grabbed the XGK by mistake. I wont be lugging it up a steep mountain. When the witch of November comes
stealing, or at a high altitude the XGK will continue to work after all the others fail.
HEY GRINGO HIT THE BRAKES
SCAN THE ROAD AHEAD AT ALL TIMES
HIT THE BRAKES AND SLOW WAY DOWN
WAIT, PASS WHEN SAFE
HEY GRINGO HIT THE BRAKES!
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J.P.
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It will be cold up there at night.We used to make a Alcohol heater buy pouring alcohol on a roll of toilet paper placed in a coffee can it will burn
for a long time and put off a amasing amount of heat. there are a lot of camping spots up on the summit where no fires are allowed.
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chrisx
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At the moment I am attempting to find a way to resupply with denatured alcohol while in Baja. They sell it at Soriana, but it is only 70%. 90% or
above works well, 70% works poorly. When cycling in steep terrain every pound counts. Just a few pounds makes the difference between riding or hike
a bike.
I have used 3 tent stakes as a pot support before. Also bent spokes can be made into a nice pot support. 3 rocks used as a pot support fit my REI ti
kettle, but not my Snow Peak cup. Mostly I use a natural element such as a large rock or fallen tree to block the wind. And don't carry the
supports and wind screen. I have used the little alcohol stove in hotel rooms more than in the mountains. I don't think of it as a way to cook trail
food, but as an emergency back up.
Eventually I will try it your way with a little wind screen, as many people report that they like this set up.
many people are making little stoves with a hole punch and reporting success.
http://jwbasecamp.com/Articles/SuperCat/index.html
the pot sits directly on the can.
For now I just want to carry a little 400 ml bottle and find an easy way to get more.
Cooking on the fire is the most weight efficient way to go.
Hopefully everyone knows how to keep their small little fire from blowing around and reproducing.
| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
I bought some at Southwest Marine and at Lowes - S-L-X Denatured Alcohol by Klean-Strip, 32 oz can. Works great in my alcohol stoves. You can put it
in small plastic travel containers or plastic hair shampoo containers, etc. Make sure your alcohol stove setup fits your pans. It is essential to
have a windscreen which, by design, supports your cooking utensil - your pot diameter may too small to be supported. I used the components of two
different alcohol stoves to come up with a combination that works for me. Another solution is to take 3 metal stakes - like long nails - as a support
for pans. That way you can adjust them as needed. |
HEY GRINGO HIT THE BRAKES
SCAN THE ROAD AHEAD AT ALL TIMES
HIT THE BRAKES AND SLOW WAY DOWN
WAIT, PASS WHEN SAFE
HEY GRINGO HIT THE BRAKES!
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vandy
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Those little Mexican hardware stores often have it.
It may not be denatured, and it may be 95%.
I've seen it in what look like liquor bottles...no joke.
Usually in the paint section.
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wilderone
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"I don't think of it as a way to cook trail food"
A little alcohol stove was my only stove on a couple multi-day trips - it is efficient, fool-proof , puts out the heat, and it's clean. It will
perform for your main stove, but for peak efficiency you need the windscreen - too much wasted heat and fuel. I understand about the rocks and stuff,
but a lightweight tin surround will provide what you need. I experimented with chicken wire as a pot support, but it weakened with the heat. There
are some online instructions for a little wood-burning (stick-burning) stove made out of a coffee can that I never finished or used. You would
usually have enough fuel laying about for it, and keep your fire contained and your pots clean. That original design might be impractical to carry
around on a bike, but you could create a folding, stick-burning stove. Use tin sides, improvise the hinges, cut out vent holes at the bottom, and set
a pot support on top - maybe fit into notches on the rim of the stove so they don't move around. Another back-up for your cooking needs.
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Dave
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Have you considered sterno?
Equal in heat output and no mess.
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Jack Swords
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Just returned from a week's backpack in the high Sierra (Ca). One guy had an alcohol stove, another a propane/butane stove, I had my old MSR
Whisperlite. Propane stove would barely work at cold temperatures, was fine at noon in the sun. Alcohol stove was clean, took a while to boil cold
water, affected by wind even with wind screen. Whisperlite (gas-Coleman fuel) fired up, very hot, boiled cold water quickly, AND the gasoline helped
start the campfire in light rain with wet wood. That ability (fire starting) convinced me to stick with the Whisperlite. Alcohol wouldn't do it. I
have made very small and light weight alcohol stoves from beer cans (Google it) and even a cooking pot from a Foster's can. Very lightweight, but
under serious cold/wet conditions the gasoline is a built-in fire starter. This year big snow, postholing walking, high water crossings, wet meadows,
trails under water, usual high Sierra thunderstorms. Wet, cold, need heat! So, still looking for the best lightweight stove. Over 10 backpacks in
the Sierra this summer and the topic won't go away. Went ultra lightweight several years ago, but still sticking with gasoline fuel.
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Gypsy Jan
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96% Denatured Alcohol in Cantamar
The liquor store sharing the parking lot with the closed Pemex gas station and the decaying lighthouse building sells "Alcohol Puro de Cana
Michoacano, Alchohol etilico sin desnaturalizapse deje destapado 96 G.L."
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—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Alchohol etilico sin desnaturalizapse deje destapado 96 G.L." |
Grain alcohol not denatured. Mexican Everclear
Add a shot of coke and presto! a smoooth tequila.
Works in an alcohol stove, though.
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Gypsy Jan
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Thanks Dave
I did wonder about the "sin" in front of the description of "desnaturizada"
Still working on my Spanish!
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Grain alcohol not denatured. Mexican Everclear
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Yep...you're getting closer, but I think it's Cane Alcohol. Sugar Cane. Caña.
They still sell it in the grocery stores and other places with the first-aid products as well as in the liquor stores. You can drink it, but it needs
to be cut substantially. It used to be the only type of alcohol available with wide-spread availablity for medicinal purposes.
Years back, when my buddy had a drug store in town, the truly pathetic river dwellers would come to his store on election days and buy Caña to drink
as the liquor stores were closed for the day.
Where there's a will, there's a way.
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