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Hantavirus Infected Mice In Northern Baja?
I know there are certain mice that carry and transmit the Hantavirus. Does anyone know if one of these specific breeds are common house-mice in Baja
Norte?
I have been incredibly sick the past two weeks. Pneumonia followed by strep throat with laryngitis followed by pneumonia again. So sore from coughing
I had to lay over a table to cough so as not to be in pain. I couldn't talk or breathe for a few days and thought I was going to cough up a lung (or
both). If not for one of the broncho-dilators asthmatics use- I think I would have died from all the fluid in my lungs. I was so dizzy for a few
days I could not roll over in bed or sit up without falling back over. A few of my neighbors had strep throat- so I figured that was it.
Anyone ever run into something similar? I did find out the sandwich roll I found torn in half and ate- had the other half eaten by house mice. I
should have figured no one in my house eats half of anything and puts in back. It did make a tasty tuna melt though... 
[Edited on 9-27-2011 by Woooosh]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I know there are certain mice that carry and transmit the Hantavirus. Does anyone know if one of these specific breeds are common house-mice in Baja
Norte?
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The large Disney cruise ship stopped in Ensenada a few days back and they wouldn't allow Mickey to come ashore for the reason you mention above.
It was a sad day for the local kids. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I know there are certain mice that carry and transmit the Hantavirus. Does anyone know if one of these specific breeds are common house-mice in Baja
Norte?
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The large Disney cruise ship stopped in Ensenada a few days back and they wouldn't allow Mickey to come ashore for the reason you mention above.
It was a sad day for the local kids. |
I hope they did the Rosarito to Ensenada race and hopped aboard...
[Edited on 9-27-2011 by Woooosh]
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Hantavirus
Peromyscus spp. (Cactus Mouse or Deer Mouse) carry Hantavirus and do occur in our area --- Baja California and the SW USA...
2 weeks is a long time to suffer from this virus.... I believe you would die sooner if you have Hantavirus..
Google Hantavirus or use Wikipedia for more info..
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Steve in Oro Valley
Peromyscus spp. (Cactus Mouse or Deer Mouse) carry Hantavirus and do occur in our area --- Baja California and the SW USA...
2 weeks is a long time to suffer from this virus.... I believe you would die sooner if you have Hantavirus..
Google Hantavirus or use Wikipedia for more info..
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Thanks. The first thing I noticed (after connecting mice to the illness) is there is no specific course of treatment for hantavirus. A hospital
would make sure your lungs were clear. I think if you live past the fluid in your lungs you are OK- 35% die before that point. The antibiotics I
took helped the strep, but would do nothing for a virus.
I am trapping the mice (3 last night) - is there a place in Baja to get them tested?
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What did your doc say? You did go to a doc, didn't you?
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I am not sure how this got on the fishing thread but here goes my answer. Hantavirus has several strains which tend to be specific to certain species
of mice. Only one of these strains (Sin Nombre virus) is known to be potentially deadly to humans. It is usually carried by the deer mouse (P.
maniculatus) but the jury is still out on whether it might be possible for some cross contamination to occur to other mouse species. You contract the
virus by inhaling aerosolized virus particles from fresh mouse urine or feces. This is why the recommended cleanup procedures for rodent droppings
never include vacuuming or sweeping. It is recommended that the area be spritzed with a disinfectant and then mopped or wiped up with a damp cloth.
The good news is that it is pretty hard to get this stuff even if you break most of the common sense rules since the droppings need to be so fresh.
The symptoms usually come on somewhat flu like but if you react like most documented cases it won't be long before you end up in the hospital with
extreme difficulty breathing. For more info the CDC has a lot of info on their website as does the County of San Diego (sdvector.com) with a map
showing local areas where positive mice have been found. With all the rain this winter there has been more mice and unfortunately, more mice found
with hanta as well. To help put it in perspective though, they find positive mice every year but to date there has only been one confirmed human case
contracted in San Diego since they started looking for this disease back in the mid 90's. As always, if you feel sick enough to go to the doctor make
sure you tell him/her about any possible exposures so they have complete information on which to base any diagnosis or needed tests. I hope you are
feeling better soon even if the fish may not share that sentiment!! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
What did your doc say? You did go to a doc, didn't you? |
Nope. My mother in law said the cough sounded like the kind that goes away on its own. That was good enough for me.
(Both my parents died in hospitals from secondary infections unrelated to what they were admitted for. I don't know why I pay for full health care
insurance, because it is unlikely I would even use it unless to set a broken bone)
What kind of mouse is this little guy?
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Wait a minute, hold the presses. You have pneumonia and you didn't go to a doctor. 
Incredible!
How do you know it's pneumonia? How do you know it's a virus? Pneumonia can permanently damage your lungs, even kill you. Plus you may be infecting
others around you.
A sputum sample, a chest x-ray, a microbiologist, and modern medicines from a doctor can do wonders.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
What kind of mouse is this little guy? |
Just a guess, but I'm gonna thinking it's a dead mouse.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
Wait a minute, hold the presses. You have pneumonia and you didn't go to a doctor.
Incredible!
How do you know it's pneumonia? How do you know it's a virus? Pneumonia can permanently damage your lungs, even kill you. Plus you may be infecting
others around you.
A sputum sample, a chest x-ray, a microbiologist, and modern medicines from a doctor can do wonders.
[Edited on 9-27-2011 by SFandH] |
I don't know what I had. I do know my lungs were pretty full of fluid and only the inhaler allowed me to cough the flem up. I think the dizziness
was lack of oxygen. I am more concerned about going to a hospital to get checked out for pneumonia and coming back with TB (which is prevalent here
right now). Hospitals is where the sick people are. On my next check-up with the Doc, I'll tell him about it but last time I went in he chased me
down the hall asking when he could schedule a colonoscopy...
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The mouse in the pic looks like a regular house mouse but would be helpful to see more of the tail to be sure. If just a regular house mouse they
don't carry hantavirus. I think you might live if the doctor does not kill you for not coming in sooner .....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bugman
The mouse in the pic looks like a regular house mouse but would be helpful to see more of the tail to be sure. If just a regular house mouse they
don't carry hantavirus. I think you might live if the doctor does not kill you for not coming in sooner ..... |
what's on the tail? No puff of hair on the end like a lion- if that is what identifies it. yeah, My. Doctor has never been thrilled with my aversion
to him and all the tests he wants to do prevent something that is inevitable- death. The Repulicans have made sure I don't die from over-taxation.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The Repulicans have made sure I don't die from over-taxation.
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Well...one can hope.
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One of the things to look for on a deer mouse is the short and distinctly two colored tail (dark on top light on the bottom). The mouse in your pic
does not appear to have a bicolor tail.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bugman
One of the things to look for on a deer mouse is the short and distinctly two colored tail (dark on top light on the bottom). The mouse in your pic
does not appear to have a bicolor tail. |
Good to know. I'll check out the ones I catch tonight. Thanks.
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Good to know. I'll check out the ones I catch tonight. Thanks. |
Maybe time to buy a flute and play pied piper.
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Best way to deal with mice is to exclude them in the first place. They only need an opening the size of a dime to get in. Basically, if the head
will fit the body will follow (even if bigger than the head). This is easier said than done in some cases but the piece of mind is worth the extra
effort to find and plug all those openings. The usual spots are under doors, around plumbing and electrical entry points, attic vents, roofing gaps
or just leaving windows and doors open after dark.
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Woooosh....
Here's a real head banger.....cleaning up the mouse poop with a vacuum or broom.......is a very dangerous thing to do! The particles from that poop
takes to the air......and then yacks!. I learned this from the farm Management classes.
Oh....see a Doctor for Gods sake!
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Woooosh....
Here's a real head banger.....cleaning up the mouse poop with a vacuum or broom.......is a very dangerous thing to do! The particles from that poop
takes to the air......and then yacks!. I learned this from the farm Management classes.
Oh....see a Doctor for Gods sake! |
I'm fine now. Clear lungs and I can scream at my nephews again. I thought these mice were kinda cute and was going to feed them to the falcon. The
they invaded the kitchen and all love was lost. The half sandwich bun is what made my mind work backwards to Hanatvirus. One website said the saliva
from them would be a problem in addition to the droppings that I already knew about. Go to Doctor? ugh. I still have all that Cipro around from
Y2K...
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