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sanquintinsince73
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I am fully convinced that the only reason these scumbags didn't kill Mr. Lange is because he is American.
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"Los Zamudio"
Wow...I think these guys are heavy hitters. They work for "El Mayo Zambada".
Droga de los Zamudio
5 millones de pesos en heroína incautados en Pichilingue revelaron una ruta de tráfico de Topolobampo a Tijuana, y expusieron algunos de los contactos
criminales de los traficantes Inés Zamudio e Ismael Zambada en Baja california Sur, incluido un ministerial de apellidos Ayala Peña.
Investigaciones ZETA
Parte del cargamento de los 16 kilos de heroína incautada el pasado 7 de enero por la Agencia Federal de Investigaciones (AFI) y la Secretaría de la
Defensa Nacional (SEDENA) en el kilómetro 17 del tramo carretero Pichilingue-La Paz, tenía como destinatario final a “Los Zamudio” en Ciudad
Constitución.
Otra parte de la droga tenía como destino Tijuana.
Como parte de la investigación, salió a relucir el nombre de Miguel Alberto Ayala Peña, elemento de la Policía Ministerial del Estado de Baja
California Sur, como uno de los contactos del traficante de droga Manuel Rodríguez García, detenido durante el decomiso.
Las autoridades incluyeron al agente de la procuraduría del estado como sospechoso, pero no ha sido detenido. Y presume que podría haber más agentes
implicados en este caso que llevaría al descubrimiento de una red policiaca que opera en el estado para la organización criminal de Ismael “El Mayo”
Zambada.
Aunque el consumo de heroína no es muy común en la región, de acuerdo a los informes oficiales, tiene un mercado cautivo de este tipo de consumidores
en Los Cabos, Baja California Sur. Justo ahí, donde el 14 de septiembre del año pasado, la SEDENA incautó 160 gramos de esta droga que estaban en
manos del ex lugarteniente de la banda criminal de “El Javi” o “El Javier”, Jaime Ariel Meza López (a) “El Jimmy”.
Durante el interrogatorio, Manuel Rodríguez García dijo que era la primera vez que participaba en el trasiego de drogas de Sinaloa a Baja California
Sur.
Pero, según las investigaciones oficiales, el vehículo marca Nissan, línea Tsuru G52, color blanco y con placas de circulación de Baja Sur –donde fue
detenida y confiscada la droga— tiene un registro de 10 salidas y 10 ingresos de la terminal Pichilingue-La Paz-Topolobampo. Únicamente en el mes de
diciembre.
El valor de lo incautado asciende a 5 millones de pesos y, según la explicación de Rodríguez, el método es muy simple.
El detenido dijo que pasaba su unidad vehicular de La Paz a Sinaloa y la entregaba a un contacto en la propia terminal marítima que, sabe, tiene un
auto lavado en la ciudad de Topolobampo, Sinaloa, quien, hoy se sabe, trabaja directamente con un sobrino del narcotraficante Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada
de nombre Ricardo.
En el interrogatorio, comentó que en cuanto entregaba la unidad, percibía entre 5 y 10 mil pesos para que se fuera a divertir, y a los 3 ó 4 días,
recibía una llamada telefónica y le informaban la hora y el día en que debería presentarse a la terminal por su carro.
En el lugar, le entregaban los boletos y recibía 50 mil pesos de pago final por el traslado y la carga la entregaba a los contactos en la ciudad de La
Paz, Baja California Sur.
Pero la última vez las cosas salieron mal y el traficante fue detenido, y delató a sus contactos.
Lo que el narco transportador pudo informar fue que en La Paz entregaba una parte, y la otra, en el kilómetro 100 para que a su vez, otra persona la
llevara con destino a la comunidad de Puerto San Carlos, y de ahí, se iba hasta Bahía Asunción, donde otro sujeto más esperaba, porque su
responsabilidad era enviarla como destino final hasta la ciudad de Tijuana, Baja California.
Durante las investigaciones el detenido entregó números telefónicos de esta red criminal que viven en Culiacán, Mazatlán, Tijuana, La Paz, Los Cabos,
Ciudad Constitución, Puerto San Carlos y Bahía Asunción.
Todos trabajan para Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada
Aunque el criminal lo negó, las autoridades federales y militares, corroboraron que este delincuente, normalmente viajaba acompañado de toda su
familia para evitar levantar sospechas sobre el transporte de droga.
Hoy se sabe que cuando fue detenido iba solo, pero en la unidad vehicular iba ropa de mujer y de hombres jóvenes, lo que evidenció que era acompañado
de sus familiares, que en el momento de la captura, no pudieron ser detectados.
Pero una vez detenido y consignado, la familia fue notificada, y en menos de dos horas llego hasta las oficinas de la PGR en La Paz, cuando
presumieron estar en Ciudad Constitución, camino que comúnmente se recorre en dos horas y media.
Los investigadores federales y militares descubrieron en este aseguramiento la nueva modalidad de transporte y elementos que hoy los narcotraficantes
usan para evitar que sus cargamentos puedan ser detectados por sus equipos y sus perros adiestrados.
En este caso, los mafiosos hacen un compuesto de placas de plomo, grasa, papel carbón y envuelven la droga en una llanta de cámara de bicicleta o
moto, y después en cinta de plástico.
Por este aseguramiento se abrió la averiguación previa AP/PGR/BCS/LP-COE-1/005/2011 y mientras las investigaciones continúan.
DK...translate??
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I think we must also accept that the cartels are the defacto government. They have paid their admission in bribes and will exercise their power
without fear of reprisals.
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An unpleasant admission to what I've been saying for a while....that the war on drugs in Mexico has actually been a war for power.
Very sad to see the new status quo in place. |
the new reality, its a tough pill to swallow
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| Quote: | Originally posted by QuesoBueno
Now that the bad guys turn out to be cartel types from Cd. Ins., are the foreigners who have publicly accused the local cops of doing it going to
apologize?? |
That's not what the article says. It says the bad guys were active duty police as late as last January when they kidnapped somebody at a false
roadblock, stole his money, killed him and burned him in his car. The leader was the Police Chief of Puerto San Carlos and all four of them are former
police officers. They should have been in jail, but were sprung by a crooked judge who had to leave town afterwards because of the complaints.
The other articles say the current police chief is refusing to investigate the incident and told the "foreigners" to go f*ck-off.
The real question is why are you deliberately misstating facts and trying to foist this off on the victim by suggesting he is responsible? What is
your interest in all this?
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mengano
| Quote: | Originally posted by QuesoBueno
Now that the bad guys turn out to be cartel types from Cd. Ins., are the foreigners who have publicly accused the local cops of doing it going to
apologize?? |
That's not what the article says. It says the bad guys were active duty police as late as last January when they kidnapped somebody at a false
roadblock, stole his money, killed him and burned him in his car. The leader was the Police Chief of Puerto San Carlos and all four of them are former
police officers. They should have been in jail, but were sprung by a crooked judge who had to leave town afterwards because of the complaints.
The other articles say the current police chief is refusing to investigate the incident and told the "foreigners" to go f*ck-off.
The real question is why are you deliberately misstating facts and trying to foist this off on the victim by suggesting he is responsible? What is
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I agree with Mengano. I saw nothing in the article that suggested Mr. Lange was involved in any way, shape, or form in illegal activity.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Wow...I think these guys are heavy hitters. They work for "El Mayo Zambada".
Droga de los Zamudio
5 millones de pesos en heroína incautados en Pichilingue revelaron una ruta de tráfico de Topolobampo a Tijuana, y expusieron algunos de los contactos
criminales de los traficantes Inés Zamudio e Ismael Zambada en Baja california Sur, incluido un ministerial de apellidos Ayala Peña.
Investigaciones ZETA
Parte del cargamento de los 16 kilos de heroína incautada el pasado 7 de enero por la Agencia Federal de Investigaciones (AFI) y la Secretaría de la
Defensa Nacional (SEDENA) en el kilómetro 17 del tramo carretero Pichilingue-La Paz, tenía como destinatario final a “Los Zamudio” en Ciudad
Constitución.
Otra parte de la droga tenía como destino Tijuana.
Como parte de la investigación, salió a relucir el nombre de Miguel Alberto Ayala Peña, elemento de la Policía Ministerial del Estado de Baja
California Sur, como uno de los contactos del traficante de droga Manuel Rodríguez García, detenido durante el decomiso.
Las autoridades incluyeron al agente de la procuraduría del estado como sospechoso, pero no ha sido detenido. Y presume que podría haber más agentes
implicados en este caso que llevaría al descubrimiento de una red policiaca que opera en el estado para la organización criminal de Ismael “El Mayo”
Zambada.
Aunque el consumo de heroína no es muy común en la región, de acuerdo a los informes oficiales, tiene un mercado cautivo de este tipo de consumidores
en Los Cabos, Baja California Sur. Justo ahí, donde el 14 de septiembre del año pasado, la SEDENA incautó 160 gramos de esta droga que estaban en
manos del ex lugarteniente de la banda criminal de “El Javi” o “El Javier”, Jaime Ariel Meza López (a) “El Jimmy”.
Durante el interrogatorio, Manuel Rodríguez García dijo que era la primera vez que participaba en el trasiego de drogas de Sinaloa a Baja California
Sur.
Pero, según las investigaciones oficiales, el vehículo marca Nissan, línea Tsuru G52, color blanco y con placas de circulación de Baja Sur –donde fue
detenida y confiscada la droga— tiene un registro de 10 salidas y 10 ingresos de la terminal Pichilingue-La Paz-Topolobampo. Únicamente en el mes de
diciembre.
El valor de lo incautado asciende a 5 millones de pesos y, según la explicación de Rodríguez, el método es muy simple.
El detenido dijo que pasaba su unidad vehicular de La Paz a Sinaloa y la entregaba a un contacto en la propia terminal marítima que, sabe, tiene un
auto lavado en la ciudad de Topolobampo, Sinaloa, quien, hoy se sabe, trabaja directamente con un sobrino del narcotraficante Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada
de nombre Ricardo.
En el interrogatorio, comentó que en cuanto entregaba la unidad, percibía entre 5 y 10 mil pesos para que se fuera a divertir, y a los 3 ó 4 días,
recibía una llamada telefónica y le informaban la hora y el día en que debería presentarse a la terminal por su carro.
En el lugar, le entregaban los boletos y recibía 50 mil pesos de pago final por el traslado y la carga la entregaba a los contactos en la ciudad de La
Paz, Baja California Sur.
Pero la última vez las cosas salieron mal y el traficante fue detenido, y delató a sus contactos.
Lo que el narco transportador pudo informar fue que en La Paz entregaba una parte, y la otra, en el kilómetro 100 para que a su vez, otra persona la
llevara con destino a la comunidad de Puerto San Carlos, y de ahí, se iba hasta Bahía Asunción, donde otro sujeto más esperaba, porque su
responsabilidad era enviarla como destino final hasta la ciudad de Tijuana, Baja California.
Durante las investigaciones el detenido entregó números telefónicos de esta red criminal que viven en Culiacán, Mazatlán, Tijuana, La Paz, Los Cabos,
Ciudad Constitución, Puerto San Carlos y Bahía Asunción.
Todos trabajan para Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada
Aunque el criminal lo negó, las autoridades federales y militares, corroboraron que este delincuente, normalmente viajaba acompañado de toda su
familia para evitar levantar sospechas sobre el transporte de droga.
Hoy se sabe que cuando fue detenido iba solo, pero en la unidad vehicular iba ropa de mujer y de hombres jóvenes, lo que evidenció que era acompañado
de sus familiares, que en el momento de la captura, no pudieron ser detectados.
Pero una vez detenido y consignado, la familia fue notificada, y en menos de dos horas llego hasta las oficinas de la PGR en La Paz, cuando
presumieron estar en Ciudad Constitución, camino que comúnmente se recorre en dos horas y media.
Los investigadores federales y militares descubrieron en este aseguramiento la nueva modalidad de transporte y elementos que hoy los narcotraficantes
usan para evitar que sus cargamentos puedan ser detectados por sus equipos y sus perros adiestrados.
En este caso, los mafiosos hacen un compuesto de placas de plomo, grasa, papel carbón y envuelven la droga en una llanta de cámara de bicicleta o
moto, y después en cinta de plástico.
Por este aseguramiento se abrió la averiguación previa AP/PGR/BCS/LP-COE-1/005/2011 y mientras las investigaciones continúan.
DK...translate?? |
OK, from Bing:
"Zamudio"
The Zamudio drug
5 million pesos in heroin seized in Pichilingue revealed a Topolobampo trafficking route to Tijuana, and exposed some of the traffickers Inés Zamudio
and Ismael Zambada in Baja california Sur criminal contacts, including a ministerial surname Ayala Peña.
Research ZETA
Part of the shipment of the 16 kilos of heroin seized on 7 January by the Federal Investigation Agency (AFI) and the Secretariat of national defense
(SEDENA) on kilometer 17 of the road section Pichilingue - La Paz, was final recipient to "Los Zamudio" in Ciudad Constitución.
Another part of the drug had as destination Tijuana.
As part of the investigation, he left out the name of Miguel Alberto Ayala Peña, element of the Ministerial Police of the State of Baja California
Sur, as one of the contacts of the Manuel Rodríguez García, arrested during the seizure drug dealer.
The authorities included the agent of the Attorney-General of the State as a suspect, but it has not been stopped. And presumed that there could be
more involved in this case that would lead to the discovery of a police network that operates in the State for the criminal organization of Ishmael
"Mayo" Zambada.
Although heroin use is not very common in the region, according to official reports, it has a captive of this type of consumer market in Los Cabos,
Baja California Sur. Right there, where on September 14 last year, the SEDENA seized 160 grams of cocaine that were in the hands of the former
lieutenant of the criminal gang of "El Javi" or "El Javier", Jaime Ariel Meza López (a) "The Jimmy".
During the interrogation, Manuel Rodríguez García said that it was the first time that he was involved in the transfer of drugs of Sinaloa to Baja
California Sur.
But, according to official research, vehicle brand Nissan Tsuru G52 line, white and plates of the movement of lower South - where he was detained and
confiscated the drugs - has a record of 10 outputs and 10 income from terminal Pichilingue - La peace-Topolobampo. Only in the month of December.
The value of the seized amounts to 5 million pesos, and according to the explanation of Rodriguez, the method is very simple.
The detainee said that he passed his vehicle from La Paz to Sinaloa unit and gave her a contact in the own maritime terminal I, know, has a car wash
in the city of Topolobampo, Sinaloa, who is known today, works directly with a nephew of the drug trafficker, Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada's name Ricardo.
In the interrogation, commented that as soon as he delivered the unit, he perceived between 5 and 10 pesos to make it fun, 3 or 4 days, received a
phone call and reporting you the hour and the day that should be presented to the terminal by his chariot.
Instead, they gave him tickets and received 50 thousand pesos of final payment for the transfer and loading delivered it to the contacts in the city
of La Paz, Baja California Sur.
The last time things went wrong but the trafficker was arrested, and turned to their contacts.
That transporter narco could report was in La Paz, he gave a part, and the other, in the 100 kilometre so that at the same time, another person take
her bound to the community of port San Carlos, and hence was going to Bahía Asunción, where another subject expected, because his responsibility was
to send it as final destination to the city of TijuanaBaja California.
During investigations the detainee gave telephone numbers for this criminal network living in Culiacán, Mazatlán, Tijuana, peace, Los Cabos, Ciudad
Constitución, port San Carlos and Bahía Asunción.
Everyone working for Ismael "Mayo" Zambada
Although the criminal refused, the Federal and military authorities corroborated this offender, travelling usually accompanied by his entire family to
avoid suspicion on the transport of drugs.
Today we know that when he was arrested he was just going, but in the vehicle unit was clothing of women and young men, which showed that it was
accompanied by their relatives, who at the time of capture, not could be detected.
But once stopped and entered the family was notified, and in less than two hours came to the offices of the PGR in La Paz, when they presumed to be in
Ciudad Constitución, path that commonly runs in two and a half hours.
Federal and military researchers discovered the new mode of transport and elements that today traffickers use to avoid their cargoes can be detected
by their teams and their trained dogs in this assurance.
In this case, the mobsters make a compound of lead, fat, charcoal paper plates and surround the drugs in a Chamber of bicycle or motorcycle tire, and
then in
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My interest is that blaming something on small town cops that actually was done by 'heavy hitters' confuses the issues. Small town cops are a problem
with intimidating visitors for 'gas money' and making up infractions. Accusing them in the newspaper as being behind a seriously violent assault on
an American, when they did not do it, isn't going to help the demand for respect that a lot of us do fight for.
But maybe some people think that all levels of crime and corruption are equal. I do not. I do not think I could have any effect on organized crime
family business. But I do think I can stand up to small town local cops and demand respect and help make a difference.
That is my interest in this.
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sanquintinsince73
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Grazie!!
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He lives by himself? no dogs? at least 3 big ones trained to eat only your food. This really sucks and is very sad. He so lucky they didnt kill him.
Im glad hes alive and well . So much BS maybe one day this will change. It will but which way?
READY SET.....................
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I agree with Mengano. I saw nothing in the article that suggested Mr. Lange was involved in any way, shape, or form in illegal activity.
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I have not made an accusation. But I do feel that the article has me asking the question why would this level of organized crime be interested in
him? Or any American for that matter. Why would they come to small town and give someone a warning?
Again, I did not say that Mr. Lange is doing something illegal. But doesn't the situation warrant these questions?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by QuesoBueno
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
I agree with Mengano. I saw nothing in the article that suggested Mr. Lange was involved in any way, shape, or form in illegal activity.
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I have not made an accusation. But I do feel that the article has me asking the question why would this level of organized crime be interested in
him? Or any American for that matter. Why would they come to small town and give someone a warning?
Again, I did not say that Mr. Lange is doing something illegal. But doesn't the situation warrant these questions? |
why do you think the news will get the story right? they never do!
the only thing you need to take from article is: danger! danger! stay away from san juanico!
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sanquintinsince73
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Agreed, they never do get the story right. As far as Mr. lange is concerned and I am sure it is common knowledge that he has a business, I think maybe
he was just a target of opportunity.
People in Mexico tend to think that if you are American or you own a business, you are rich.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by QuesoBueno
I have not made an accusation. |
But that is EXACTLY what you did. Now you are backtracking. Here is EXACTLY what you said:
| Quote: | Originally posted by QuesoBueno
Perhaps the foreigner who was assaulted is not so innocent. |
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
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oh my gosh ...yes, we read this a while ago and it is still sad. still very,very sad.
what I don't understand is why they don't just take the money and go away. why the violence. so unnnecessary. not that robbing someone is OK. not at
all.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by QuesoBueno
My interest is that blaming something on small town cops that actually was done by 'heavy hitters' confuses the issues. Small town cops are a problem
with intimidating visitors for 'gas money' and making up infractions. Accusing them in the newspaper as being behind a seriously violent assault on
an American, when they did not do it, isn't going to help the demand for respect that a lot of us do fight for.
But maybe some people think that all levels of crime and corruption are equal. I do not. I do not think I could have any effect on organized crime
family business. But I do think I can stand up to small town local cops and demand respect and help make a difference.
That is my interest in this. |
newbie posters are trolls
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Agreed, they never do get the story right. As far as Mr. lange is concerned and I am sure it is common knowledge that he has a business, I think maybe
he was just a target of opportunity.
People in Mexico tend to think that if you are American or you own a business, you are rich. |
This is quite true and programmed meme of society, that if you own a business it is the role of others who are unemployed to take advantage of you,
and somehow you owe something to others who make demands from you, therefore cooperation is discouraged, in general community collective is
discouraged through jealousy and lies. This is done to reduce power of communities as a whole, while in fact communities and the holders of all power
that does exist, they only choose to give up their power by accepted programmed societal "ideas" which in practically every case are lies to control
people.
In this case, as in case, there are two options, live in fear for doing nothing or live empowered for managing your community as you desire.
This entire process is quite simple, no forum posts will change the facts at hand, either a few people will choose to address this as required and
desired by any civil society or the region will continue down the path of lawlessness and become worse.
It's quite simple scenario, worth considering for a split second to decide do you stand up for yourself and your neighbors to protect yourself or
not.
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This is indeed a very strange story, and i suspect there is much more to it than what we are being told. There are too many things that simply don't
add up.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
This is indeed a very strange story, and i suspect there is much more to it than what we are being told. There are too many things that simply don't
add up. |
What doesn't add up??
By the way, Jesse, in 10 minutes I'll be headed to In-N-Out burger in National City .
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
This is indeed a very strange story, and i suspect there is much more to it than what we are being told. There are too many things that simply don't
add up. |
What doesn't add up??
By the way, Jesse, in 10 minutes I'll be headed to In-N-Out burger in National City. |
bastard!!!
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This is just a self serving post so skip it if you want to stay on the actual subject.
When I posted the first info on this issue last week I had no idea what it was I was getting into. It is important to note that I was doing it for a
friend who is not on Nomads and wanted to get the message 'out there'. I wanted to help.
Then I had second thoughts... Pretty much based on my stupidity of thinking of BN as 'my neighborhood' and wanting to share important happenings with
my neighbors. I was stupid to forget that its THE INTERNET. So I removed the original info until I coud talk one on one with the victim and have his
blessing or not. Things became more complicated and I could not speak with him.
As the victim quickly took the story to the press I do not think he would have been upset with what I did. But what if he was? What terrible damage
I could have caused. In light of the direction this string has taken, I wish I had had the foresight to not become involved in such a spontateous
way.
Too late for that now. Anyways... think before you post!
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