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John M
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General Tire Grabber AT2
Has this tire been around long enough to establish suitability for Baja dirt roads?
Secondly has anyone switched from BFG KO AT tires to these Generals?
Mileage, sidewall strength, and on highway noise comparisons would be a good starting point.
Looks as though they are fifty bucks less expensive, per tire.
John M
p.s. I've had many sets of BFGs so you do not need to sing their praises excessively.
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TIRES there are as many opinions about tires as their is Brands. My personal choice is Cooper I run the Cooper ATR on my Suburban 4x4 tow rig and
started buying them in 1985 I had a 300Z and at the time it was the only replacement tire I could find
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David K
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I am so happy with the Hankook Dynapro ATm tires... I would suggest them too... They are available in a LT/ E rated, or the P rated, as I use.
Here they are with 12,000 miles on them, by the mud caves in Borrego (Arroyo Tapiado) on Oct. 15:
They are quiet on the highway, great in sand, mud and snow... and wearing well... I went with them after reading so many good reports from Tacoma
owners across the country... otherwise, I would have never given them a thought. I have on my last Tacoma had Toyo Open Country AT and Cooper
Discoverer ATRs, and they were fine tires.
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John M
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Oh NO!
Thanks guys, but.....
I had specifically inquired about these General tires not Hankook nor Cooper nor Goodyear nor .........
Just seeking an answer from those with experience with the Generals
If not the Generals I'll stick with BFG
John
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David K
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I have heard nothing bad about the General AT2, they have them where I got the Hankook's, and were pretty pricey... very close to BFG All Terrains,
but less than the Grabber off road racing look alike tire... which still isn't available in the stock Tacoma size...
Why are you so hard core on those two brands? Just wondering...
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John M
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Not too hard core
Thanks for asking David
I've had nothing but success with the BFG AT & Mud T/As
In all the years and sets of tires I have not yet had an issue with them failing. A repairable flat from time to time off road & on road but the
Safety Seal kit came to the rescue every time.
The mileage has been (for my money) very good on both styles of BFGs. We've plugged side wall punctures as well as tread punctures. They are not noisy
for me, but then my hearing isn't what it used to be.
I simply won't switch from the BFG loyalty unless the General is better. I have recently noticed the increasing number of racers using Generals and
suppose that their racing tire technology may migrate to their non-race off road tires.
John
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All tire makers "help out" a certain amount of racers. If the help is gone at BFG, who's next. Free tires, or a steep discount has a lot to do with
it.
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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Pacifico
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John,
The Generals appear to be great tires. There are a bunch of us in my circle of friends that are considering giving them a try on our buggies as they
are about $100 a tire cheaper than what we currently run. I figure what's the worst that could happen....I might try a set, and if I don't like like
them then I'll go back to the BFG's.
My guess is they are comparable to the BFG's...
Go for it!
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Bob H
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Here is a picture of the AT2 tire
http://general.tiremedia.com/model/grabber-at2.html
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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There is a test of the General Grabber tire write-up in the Dec Off-Road Adventure"Magazine done by 4-Wheel Parts. You can get a free on-line version
of the Magazine.
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Interesting price difference between the 265/75R16 and 285/75R16 series of the Hankook ATM and Grabber AT2. At Big Brand Tires the 265 Hankook ATM is
$139. The Grabber AT2 is $188 and the BFG AT/KO is $206. In the 285 series The Hankook ATM is $199. The Grabber AT2 is $199 and the BFG AT/KO is $215.
The Hankook is a P series and the Grabber and BFG at LT series. The Hankook details the tire as an all terrain light truck tire for off road and on
road use.
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Barry A.
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I am under the impression that the "P-Metric" tires are not as tough as the "LT" tires---------it that a correct assumption???
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I am under the impression that the "P-Metric" tires are not as tough as the "LT" tires---------it that a correct assumption???
Barry |
define tough? are you wanting to compare puncture resistance? are you asking about comparing blunt or sharp objects?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I am under the impression that the "P-Metric" tires are not as tough as the "LT" tires---------it that a correct assumption???
Barry |
define tough? are you wanting to compare puncture resistance? are you asking about comparing blunt or sharp objects? |
You know, TOUGH!!! as in rugged for OFF ROAD use.
Yes, are LT tires more resistant to both "blunt" and "sharp" objects than P-Metric tires?
Do LT tires have stiffer more puncture resistant side walls than P-Metric???
Do P-Metric tires ride more comfortably than LT tires of the same size and with the same air pressure?
Barry
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I am running with Grabber A/T's on my Ridgeline. Original tires were Michelin, and they were great ... 60K+, but when I went for replacement tires,
the cost of M's was significantly higher than a lot of alternatives. I went searching for info and found a lot of users recommending the Grabber
A/T's. I use my truck on a variety of surfaces and conditions, but mostly on dry pavement. These tires are quite acceptable in snow/ice conditions
for my wintertime use, as well as doing dirt washboard roads in Baja on my trips there.
I went the Grabber A/T direction, and I have not been disappointed thus far. I did get a 60K warranty. Total price was around $750, installed, with
free R&B in future, plus TPMS kit done at install.
Time will tell. I recently put a set on my daughters Xterra.
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Something to consideration when deciding on buying new tires and using them in baja is:
Are the tires available for purchase in baja? In the case that you destroy a tire in baja, are you going to be able to find a matching replacement. If
you buy generals or similar most likely you'll be driving home on 3 generals and 1 bfg. BFG's are readily available is darn most everytown. I would
not use anything but BFG. I currently have 6 vehicles parked out side with bfg AT'S or KM2. I've run BFG's in baja full time for the last 10yrs. I've
had one fail, when I put a jagged rock through the sidewall on a 4 yr old all terrain.
I'd recommend the KM2's, they are awesome tires and extremely tough, while at the same time relatively quiet.
I dont have anger management issues, I have idiot management issues.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I am under the impression that the "P-Metric" tires are not as tough as the "LT" tires---------it that a correct assumption???
Barry |
Hi Barry, our trucks come from the factory with P Metric rated tires... They are rated for typical truck use.
LT tires are more expensive, have a stiffer sidewall, ride harder, but last longer... for heavy duty or camper applications.
The 285 Hankook only comes in an LT, that is why it is higher priced, I read somewhere. A 285 tire will not fit on a stock suspension Tacoma, without
a lift or body cutting. The biggest tire that won't rub is a 265/75-16, which is 1" taller tire than stock (265/70-16) on the Off Road TRD Tacoma.
That is what I did, got the tallest tire... nice because the speedometer is now accurate... It read too fast with the stock tires!
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Barry A.
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Thanks, David-----that is helpful, and confirms what I thought was the case, but you expanded my understanding.
Barry
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No worries... and let me modify what I said above... 'typical truck use' as it is for me as a daily driver, light to medium loads... rarely have a ton
on it (just during big Baja camping trips). If you are going to put a heavy pop up like Neal Johns has on his Tacoma, then the LT tire is a better
bet.
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I'm also looking at new tires for my 04 Tacoma. I'm debating as to the 265 vs the 285. I have the lift installed already but if I use the stock rims I
need spacers for the front which I have on hand. Also a 285 won't fit in the spare tire slot without modifications. Cost is also a consideration. I
can get 5 of DKs Hankook tires for the price of 4 Grabbers and 6 (2nd spare) for almost the price of the BFGs. Decisions, decisions, decisions.
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