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Lee
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Spear fishing in BCS?
Can't find answers in a search here.
A fisherman I know told me someone was spear fishing near rocks nearby and brought in some fish. I failed to ask questions about it like was this
guy MX, or what kind of gear he had.
Anyone doing this down here and what's being used.
I'm talking free diving.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Osprey
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Gotta have (Gringo/Mexican/Lithuanian)
Mexican Fishing License
Rubber band type spear device (no gas propelled spears)
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Bajamatic
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
no gas propelled spears |
WTF is THAT?!! - nevermind. its a common speargun. Got it
I always thought it was illegal for any american to fish with a spear? You post suggests its legal with a fishing permit, is that true??
[Edited on 2-15-2012 by Bajamatic]
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ElCap
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Yes, legal using a polespear or a speargun with bands, but not a pneumatic speargun. Also must have a fishing license, and also have to follow other
rules such as what are in force around Cabo Pulmo, Isla Carmen, and possibly other areas.
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Bwana_John
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Yes, legal using a polespear or a speargun with bands, but not a pneumatic speargun. Also must have a fishing license, and also have to follow other
rules such as what are in force around Cabo Pulmo, Isla Carmen, and possibly other areas.
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Also- no spear hunting with SCUBA, breath hold only.
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Mula
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Neptunes of Long Beach (?) and the San Diego Fire department and Life Guards do now and used to do a lot of free diving/spear fishing out of San
Nicolas and Iledefonso.
Jurel, Cabrilla, Grouper.
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tiotomasbcs
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Hey, Lee. Take Jimmy out and pay for gas and beer and he'll show you around. He's a very good spearfisherman and knows the area. Big ego but he's
a kid--42 or so?! Cabo Extreme. Tio
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mulegemichael
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yeah; no tanks, no spearguns...only hawaiian slings......we have a great guy here locally, daniel, who will take you out in his boat or yours, (i
prefer mine), and spearfish, gather scallops and oysters, dig chocolates, and take you to the beach to enjoy a pacifico while he cooks all of the
above in any way you like them, and more....it is a wonderful day with a fab guide...mulege; no bad days
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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sancho
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mula
Neptunes of Long Beach .
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Ran into some of these guys yrs. back, fishing Cerralvo
Isle, as I remember they were going down 80' or so
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Mula
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Yeah, once of the San Diego Life Guards got a huge grouper a couple of years ago off Ile de Fonso in San Nicolas deep diving. 42 or 43 lbs I think.
The camera with the photo on it disappeared. .
And a friend caught a 31 lb. sawtail grouper out of Coyote last Saturday.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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Spear fishing is quite popular here, especially for yellowtail, halibut, sheephead and calico. I believe the hawaiin sling type pole is illegal. the
limit for spearing fish is 5 fish a day.
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bigzaggin
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So just to be clear, you can use ANY speargun with bands or only the Hawaiian sling? Have heard many variations on this over the years.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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the regulation states that you can only use rubber band or spring type harpoons....I was told by the fisheries officer that the pole hawaain sling
type was illegal because people injure too many fish and lose them.
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bigzaggin
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I am more confused know than I was when this thread began. Seems to be some confusion.
Mulegemike...agree of disagree with Shari? Just trying to arrive at some consensus (dying to spearfish a certain cove down there).
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sancho
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Here's an Official? statement, doesn't make it
any clearer re: Hawaiian sling
http://conapescasandiego.org/contenido.cfm?cont=REGULATIONS
as pointed out rubber band/spring type harpoons
spring type harpoon are OK, sounds like a H Sling to me,
but I'm sure Mex officials may modify the regs
as Shari info suggests
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AASelf
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http://www.palapasventana.com/details.aspx?SPID=45&PPID=...
http://tailhunter-international.com/
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woody with a view
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you are only allowed single point tips. no three prongs.
getting ready for halibut season....
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24baja
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http://www.seasniperbaja.com/
http://www.seasniper.com/content/
Chris Chaput at Seasniper free dives and spearfishes, check out his photos, website
[Edited on 2-16-2012 by 24baja]
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bigzaggin
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
you are only allowed single point tips. no three prongs.
getting ready for halibut season.... |
Woody - Where do you see this in the "Sportfishing Regulations?" It says, "Underwater fishing is limited to five fish per day, using rubber band
or spring type harpoons, and only while skindiving."
signed,
Confused.
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dean miller
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Spearguns in Baja
First I will submit you to reading a post I made long ago to this forum about spearfishing in Baja in the early 1950s and 1960s, second I will reply
to your question and hopefully provide some spear fishing guidance
"BAJA Spear fishing equipment of yesteryear
I have been in the process of October clean and toss, then retrieve and find a new hiding place for the treasure I can't live with out for another
year. This year's un pleasantry I uncovered a stash of old spear points that I had used in Baja during the big fish glory days of the 1950s and 1960s
.During those halcyon days of yesteryear when Baja was devoid of roads, RVs, snowbirds and even a Baja forum (if you can believe that!)
My tribe who was actively sticking the big ones, consistently bent arrows, tore up guns and on several occasions actually snatched the gun from the
hands of the shooter as he watched it and the stuck fish wave bye bye as the entire rid disappeared into the murk. So by trial and error over a period
of a number of trips and equal number of years we developed special points and gun rigging especially for for the bib ones in Baja.
In Baja we used Samson guns which had twin line releases. One side was for a normal shooting line, the other was for a detachable modified Samson or a
"twin spinner" point which was attached to a 20 plus foot length of 7X7 SS cabling, attached to a line, terminating in a float.
The fish was stuck, the battle was on. The shooting line was attached to the gun, the other SS line was attached to the modified point which detached
from the arrow but was attached to the cabling line and float. So the gun, the point stub and the shooting line remained with the diver, the fish was
held by the detached point, the cable and the float.
We christened this technique as "drop shaft."
We always attempted to keep the fish from running and holing but were seldom successful, however the SOS cabling seldom broke but on occasion frayed.
So as expected one necessary piece of equipment was a pair of very heavy duty workmen leather gloves to work the line and the fish.
So often the fish was allowed, generally not by choice to hole up and bleed out.
To hasten the process of bleeding my diving buddy Jack Waite (see Skin Diver Magazine Vol 1 # 1 December 1951 He's all over the issue) made a special
38 caliber gun. It was a non descript 38 which he obtained at Hy Hunter in Pasadena ( remember him?.) Jack cut the barrel off at the back of the
frame, a 1/4 hole drilled transverse where the hammer struck, the handles were removed and I fabricated and welded a new handle about 2-1/2 feet long
complete with trigger.
When a fish was in a hole we placed the 38 caliber 6 shooter next to the fishes' head and had at it. The fish always received the message and became
very docile and could be removed from the hole with out difficulty and gently horsed to the surface.
Those were the days that have come to a sudden and screeching halt.. No more big fish and no one in their right mind would ever take a fire arm no
matter how modified or even ammo to Baja! If you do the authorities just may hole you up .
sdm "
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NO SPEARING WHILE USING SCUBA ! Do not even have a recovery tank on board
In those halcyon pioneering days of yesteryear spear guns were powered by a variety of methods rubber, compressed CO2, compressed springs and ammo
such as 22 and 38 caliber.
Even in those early days the Mexican government was strongly opposed to guns and ammo entering their country as well as any thing that could be
concealed and and propelled an object, so that eliminated the cartridge powered guns,the spring guns as well as the C02 guns leaving only the
currently popular rubber powered spear gun.
I never used a pole spear in Mexico. Using a pole spear down therewould be an insult to those great Mexican fishes. I am not conversant with that
portion of their F&G law therefore cannot comment on the pole spear, So If you have one leave it at your snow covered home
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If you are a serious Spearfisherman I would not suggest the small "pop gun" so popular with the novices, rather something in the 90 to 110 length,
rigged with some sort of terminal gear with floatation . Also a few spare shafts (arrows) and perhaps extra package of line.
Please bear in mind if a spear gun can be trashed it will be done by the Mexican fishes.
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The name of the dive club is the "Long Beach Neptunes." FYI The oldest spear fishing club in the US and the world who hold more spear fishing records
than any club in the world..with very limited membership
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