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Discrimination for Foreign Medical Students in Mexico??
The last yeqr of Medical School in Mexico is known as Servicio Social, or Social Service. The pay is ridiculous, amounting to about $1200 pesos every
quincena, or 15 days. However, it might just pay your gas or buy you a few burritos. What is even MORE ridiculous is that Americans or extranjeros,
citizens of other countries, do NOT receive this compensation. Why?? Inquiries have been made on both sides of the border...an American friend of
mine who just finished his Servicio Social stated he put in a personal complaint with Mexicali, the capital of Baja California Norte. The coordinator
of the Doctors in their last year said no one is answering the inquiry. Also, supposedly the last year of medical school is a pay back to the Mexican
government for the supplementation of the students' education. When American government Student loans have paid for the Education of Americans,
somehow this does not appear valid. Also if the school is private, then there is no subsidization from the Mexican government. In fact, they are
getting free labor from the students. Ongoing investigation at the Department of Education, Foreign Division, in Washington, D.C. is being conducted.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Ongoing investigation at the Department of Education, Foreign Division, in Washington, D.C. is being conducted. |
"Ongoing" is the operative word here. The US government will take a page from the Mexican government book and study the problem for about a thousand
years.
Stay tuned for a binding decision. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
The last yeqr of Medical School in Mexico is known as Servicio Social, or Social Service. The pay is ridiculous, amounting to about $1200 pesos every
quincena, or 15 days. However, it might just pay your gas or buy you a few burritos. What is even MORE ridiculous is that Americans or extranjeros,
citizens of other countries, do NOT receive this compensation. Why?? Inquiries have been made on both sides of the border...an American friend of
mine who just finished his Servicio Social stated he put in a personal complaint with Mexicali, the capital of Baja California Norte. The coordinator
of the Doctors in their last year said no one is answering the inquiry. Also, supposedly the last year of medical school is a pay back to the Mexican
government for the supplementation of the students' education. When American government Student loans have paid for the Education of Americans,
somehow this does not appear valid. Also if the school is private, then there is no subsidization from the Mexican government. In fact, they are
getting free labor from the students. Ongoing investigation at the Department of Education, Foreign Division, in Washington, D.C. is being conducted.
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why would a gringo go to med school in mexico? a degree from a gringo school would be more useful for gringo career in medicine.
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my doctor (Brantz) went to school in guadalajara.
he's doing pretty well.....
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Simple economics...
Its about $10,000 American dollars a year here versus $50,000 American dollars a year in the US ...my apartment here in Ensenada is aout $180 dollars
American a month, and in the States, it would run about $800 american, plus food and utilities are cheaper here. I could have never afforded it in
the states.... | Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
why would a gringo go to med school in mexico? a degree from a gringo school would be more useful for gringo career in medicine.
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Answering a question with a question:
Why would you not perceive as valuable as much diversity in an educational process as possible? |
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Most of my fellow graduates from UCSD that went to med school in mexico had previously been rejected by every medical school in the US. It was their
last opportunity. Has that changed?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Most of my fellow graduates from UCSD that went to med school in mexico had previously been rejected by every medical school in the US. It was their
last opportunity. Has that changed? |
I always thought the US rejects went on to be Veterinarians. They make more money than brain surgeons.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I always thought the US rejects went on to be Veterinarians. They make more money than brain surgeons. |
It's actually still harder to get into Vet school than most Med schools as there are still not that many Vet schools in the US.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
It's actually still harder to get into Vet school than most Med schools as there are still not that many Vet schools in the US.
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AhhhSooo....didn't know that.
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What are you implying??
I didn't apply to any medical school in the US...so I wouldn't know...also if you don't have all of your courses within 5 years you have to retake
them all...mine had been over 10 years old.. | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Most of my fellow graduates from UCSD that went to med school in mexico had previously been rejected by every medical school in the US. It was their
last opportunity. Has that changed? |
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My school was private..
UABC is public and gets subsidized by the Mexican government, mine was private. It really doesn't matter anyway, Americans get charged $5000 American
dollars more a year than Mexicans...so we pay our out of country costs. | Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Also, supposedly the last year of medical school is a pay back to the Mexican government for the supplementation of the students' education.
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You think what you paid for tuition is the actual cost, or was there some partial subsidy by the (Mexican) federal government?
I think some of the "Gringos shouldn't get the same breaks" attitude about government services such as Seguro Popular, the tercera edad price breaks,
etc. is based on the concept that the Mexicans who enjoy such benefits, have been directly or via family, contributing taxes for much of their
lifetime; foreign outsiders who come in have not.
Similar attitude as one sees in California regarding immigrants "sucking off" the local economy... |
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Last opportunity...
Has what still changed? That I am a reject because I went to a Mexican medical school...thanks for the complement. | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Most of my fellow graduates from UCSD that went to med school in mexico had previously been rejected by every medical school in the US. It was their
last opportunity. Has that changed? |
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I'm apologize, EnsenadaDr. I wasn't implying anything. I know nothing about your schooling. I merely stated how it was back then. I didn't imply it
still is.
You stated, I believe, that students came to mexico for economic reasons and I gave examples where that was not a concern. Since my info is dated
perhaps you are right. Certainly I am in no position to argue with an MD talking on her own subject.
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I didn't apply to any medical school in the US...so I wouldn't know...also if you don't have all of your courses within 5 years you have to retake
them all...mine had been over 10 years old.. | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Most of my fellow graduates from UCSD that went to med school in mexico had previously been rejected by every medical school in the US. It was their
last opportunity. Has that changed? |
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Implying is everything....
First you made a statement about rejects only coming to medical school in a foreign country. Then you say you weren't implying anything...and that
"is how it was back then". Then you state that you can't argue with an MD on her subject. If you wanted to accuse me of being a reject, I think it
could have been done U2U. Now the idea has been publicized, with no taking anything back...I grew up in a poor family and even if I had wanted to go
to medical school back then, it would have been virtually impossible given as well my family's dynamics...and overwhelming problems. But thanks for
letting us know "how it was back then..." | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
I'm apologize, EnsenadaDr. I wasn't implying anything. I know nothing about your schooling. I merely stated how it was back then. I didn't imply it
still is.
You stated, I believe, that students came to mexico for economic reasons and I gave examples where that was not a concern. Since my info is dated
perhaps you are right. Certainly I am in no position to argue with an MD talking on her own subject.
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I didn't apply to any medical school in the US...so I wouldn't know...also if you don't have all of your courses within 5 years you have to retake
them all...mine had been over 10 years old.. | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Most of my fellow graduates from UCSD that went to med school in mexico had previously been rejected by every medical school in the US. It was their
last opportunity. Has that changed? |
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Hi Roberto!!!
or to get fluent in Spanish..by studying completely in another language...or to get immersed in another culture...or to meet a suave and dashing
Mexican caballero... | Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
EnsenadaDr - you take things too personally. Personally, I think the reason the American students are being discriminated against is because they're
all women. 
I'm testing your sense of humor.
But, I do know from personal experience that the two major reasons Americans go and study abroad (not just Mexico) are:
1. Lower Tuition
2. Easier Admission.
I'm sure you know this too. |
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Pretty interesting topic ..
Ya gotta love the work ... as it does take a lot of trade off's... in one's life to get to do what one wants and like's ..
Sounds pretty tough ... SOB.
"Financing residency programs
The Department of Health and Human Services, primarily Medicare, funds the vast majority of residency training in the US. This tax-based financing
covers resident salaries and benefits through payments called Direct Medical Education or DME payments. Medicare also uses taxes for Indirect Medical
Education or IME payments, a subsidy paid to teaching hospitals that is tied to admissions of Medicare patients in exchange for training resident
physicians.[14] Overall funding levels, however, have remained frozen over the last ten years, creating a bottleneck in the training of new physicians
in the US, according to the AMA.[15] On the other hand, some argue that Medicare subsidies for training residents simply provide surplus revenue for
hospitals which recoup their training costs by paying residents salaries (roughly $35,000 per year) that are far below the residents' market
value.[16][17] Nicholson's research suggests, in fact, that residency bottlenecks are not caused by a Medicare funding cap, but rather, by Residency
Review Committees (which approve new residencies in each specialty) which seek to limit the number of specialists in their field to maintain high
incomes.[18] In any case, hospitals trained residents long before Medicare provided additional subsidies for that purpose. A large number of teaching
hospitals fund resident training to increase the supply of residency slots, leading to the modest 4% total growth in slots from 1998–2004.[15]"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residency_(medicine)
Good luck on effecting change... In Mexico ... NOW there is a topic, hell we can't get right NOB ...
[Edited on 2-26-2012 by wessongroup]
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Resident's pay
Yes..I see the figures...but they pay the same regardless if it is a resident from another country..that is my beef... | Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Pretty interesting topic ..
Ya gotta love the work ... as it does take a lot of trade off's... in one's life to get to do what one wants and like's ..
Sounds pretty tough ... SOB.
"Financing residency programs
The Department of Health and Human Services, primarily Medicare, funds the vast majority of residency training in the US. This tax-based financing
covers resident salaries and benefits through payments called Direct Medical Education or DME payments. Medicare also uses taxes for Indirect Medical
Education or IME payments, a subsidy paid to teaching hospitals that is tied to admissions of Medicare patients in exchange for training resident
physicians.[14] Overall funding levels, however, have remained frozen over the last ten years, creating a bottleneck in the training of new physicians
in the US, according to the AMA.[15] On the other hand, some argue that Medicare subsidies for training residents simply provide surplus revenue for
hospitals which recoup their training costs by paying residents salaries (roughly $35,000 per year) that are far below the residents' market
value.[16][17] Nicholson's research suggests, in fact, that residency bottlenecks are not caused by a Medicare funding cap, but rather, by Residency
Review Committees (which approve new residencies in each specialty) which seek to limit the number of specialists in their field to maintain high
incomes.[18] In any case, hospitals trained residents long before Medicare provided additional subsidies for that purpose. A large number of teaching
hospitals fund resident training to increase the supply of residency slots, leading to the modest 4% total growth in slots from 1998–2004.[15]"
[edit]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residency_(medicine)
Good luck on effecting change... In Mexico ... NOW there is a topic, hell we can't get right NOB ...
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Hecho en Mexico
No Worries.
My Doctors have been trained in Mumbai.
Or, thereabouts.
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