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bayrunner1
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Whale watching the end of March
I have some friends that will be in Cabo the end of March and are interested in a whale watching trip. Is the endo of March a good time? Which would
be a better place, San Ignacio or Scammons Laguna.
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Aerocalafia has daily flghts MMSL to lopez mateos for watching. Check that one out. [cabo small airport, not san jose]
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DianaT
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As to which lagoon is best? Well, everyone has their favorite lagoon. We have always had the best experiences at the San Ignacio Lagoon and with Kuyima and their Whale Watching activities continue until April 15.
Where ever you go, you should have a great time.
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Search whale watching here on Nomads. Lots of info both recently and from past seasons. Tio
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At the end of March, i think San Ignacio would be their best bet...whales arrive first at Ojo de Liebre and leave sooner so by the 3rd week of march,
not many whales are left...some hang at the mouth so it's best to go out with one of the outfits in GN that go to that area...but I'd go to SAn
Ignacio that time of year.
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The whales are trying to reproduce and carry on their species, why not leave them alone, they don't need your presence.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
The whales are trying to reproduce and carry on their species, why not leave them alone, they don't need your presence. |
They don't seem to mind. Really.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KurtG
| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
The whales are trying to reproduce and carry on their species, why not leave them alone, they don't need your presence. |
They don't seem to mind. Really. |
If they minded, then why do the mamas actually encourage and push their calves over to the pangas? A wonder of nature.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
The whales are trying to reproduce and carry on their species, why not leave them alone, they don't need your presence. |
Greg, just to help you feel comfortable, as I understand where you are coming from.
I have worked with many environmental groups including Sea Shepherds. I abhor whale watching as it is practiced along the coast of the USA with ships
following and practically chasing grey whales. I have been on many trips to Laguna San Ignacio and I assure you, the whales do want to come to the
boats and communicate in their way with the humans. It is clearly the whales who make the rules in Baja. I would encourage you to give it a try, you
sound like someone who would appreciate the connection. If only all of wildlife could have such an experience of communication with humans. I can
tell you, any and all of those humans who experience such a bond with the grey whales become the whales greatest defenders of the whale's right to
exist in peace. Spending time with the whales in Baja is a life changing event. Don't miss it, and don't feel selfish, you'll see the young whales
appreciate you being there as much as you do.
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by generubin]
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Just got back from a trip of which one stop was at San Ignacio Lagoon. We had a Momma bring her baby to the boat, and it was amazing. What a joyous
soul. If it could have climbed into the boat, sat in your lap and wiggled his tail he/she would have. Came to the boat, worked both sides up and
down, around and around, wanting its baleen rubbed and just to be touched. Great experience 805, you really should try it. 
I yam what I yam and that\'s all what I yam.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by generubin
...whales become the whales greatest defenders of the whale's right to exist in peace. Spending time with the whales in Baja is a life changing event.
Don't miss it, and don't feel selfish, you'll see the young whales appreciate you being there as much as you do.
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by generubin] |
And they made a GREAT poster child for the battle against putting the terrible salt works in that area! Talking with one of the ejido members at
Kuyima this year, he talked about how proud they were of having stopped the salt works--- both the people and the whales!
And while there might be a case made against the practice of "petting" a whale, I agree that it is what has kept them living in peace. All of this
has created work for the locals, and an awareness of protecting the environment. The facilities around the lagoon are eco friendly and the people
are very proud of all of it!
We try to go at least once or twice a year to San Ignacio and it is always different, and always a very special experience. It is an honor to be
accepted by whales. They are in charge out there and if they did not want to be friendly, well it would not be fun for the humans in those little
boats.
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what is the approximate cost for adults and children?
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500 Mexican Pesos, or $40.00 per person U.S.
Udo
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
what is the approximate cost for adults and children? |
A few weeks ago we paid $585 pesos each which includes the bracelet. I don't know if it is any less for children???
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Bajaboy
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Cool-plan on taking the family next year.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by generubin
...whales become the whales greatest defenders of the whale's right to exist in peace. Spending time with the whales in Baja is a life changing event.
Don't miss it, and don't feel selfish, you'll see the young whales appreciate you being there as much as you do.
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by generubin] |
And they made a GREAT poster child for the battle against putting the terrible salt works in that area! Talking with one of the ejido members at
Kuyima this year, he talked about how proud they were of having stopped the salt works--- both the people and the whales!
And while there might be a case made against the practice of "petting" a whale, I agree that it is what has kept them living in peace. All of this
has created work for the locals, and an awareness of protecting the environment. The facilities around the lagoon are eco friendly and the people
are very proud of all of it!
We try to go at least once or twice a year to San Ignacio and it is always different, and always a very special experience. It is an honor to be
accepted by whales. They are in charge out there and if they did not want to be friendly, well it would not be fun for the humans in those little
boats. |
Just wondering why they are "terrible salt works" if at San Ignacio Lagoon... but the salt works at Ojo de Liebre (Scammon's) Lagoon is no problem at
all for the whales?
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by generubin
...whales become the whales greatest defenders of the whale's right to exist in peace. Spending time with the whales in Baja is a life changing event.
Don't miss it, and don't feel selfish, you'll see the young whales appreciate you being there as much as you do.
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by generubin] |
And they made a GREAT poster child for the battle against putting the terrible salt works in that area! Talking with one of the ejido members at
Kuyima this year, he talked about how proud they were of having stopped the salt works--- both the people and the whales!
And while there might be a case made against the practice of "petting" a whale, I agree that it is what has kept them living in peace. All of this
has created work for the locals, and an awareness of protecting the environment. The facilities around the lagoon are eco friendly and the people
are very proud of all of it!
We try to go at least once or twice a year to San Ignacio and it is always different, and always a very special experience. It is an honor to be
accepted by whales. They are in charge out there and if they did not want to be friendly, well it would not be fun for the humans in those little
boats. |
Just wondering why they are "terrible salt works" if at San Ignacio Lagoon... but the salt works at Ojo de Liebre (Scammon's) Lagoon is no problem at
all for the whales? |
As I said, the whales were the Poster Children. And please remember, it was the LOCALS, the fishing co-ops who in the end prevailed and stopped the
destruction of the environment and wanted to protect their way of life and income levels. It is about THEM and not what outsiders want or think.
They are just really proud that big money did not win that battle and the poster children helped.
Also, I doubt you have ever driven the back way into Ojo de Liebre---the road from the Vizcaino road that is restricted. We took a friend to work
that way---he had permission to pass. It is a shortcut to GN, but only passable with permission.
The devastation there is horrible---it is really ugly. The new company even flooded an old cemetery and they were surprised when a body floated to
the top of one of the ponds. And the Mexican environmentalists do have concerns about what could happen to the whale lagoon as the ponds evaporate.
But it is there and is a part of Guerrero Negro.
But the LOCALS in the San Ignacio area are proud that they prevailed over the big money interests and their poster children helped them in their
battle.
On edit. Just some food for thought.
A friend told us that he would love to write a book addressed to all gringos---one that is about Baja California Sur and the people so that MAYBE the
gringos who visit and or live there would begin to understand who they are and quit trying to tell them what how to do things and what is "best" for
them. They do grow weary of attempted gringo education.
(He uses the term gringo when talking to us because we have told him that it is not offensive to us)
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by DianaT]
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by generubin
...whales become the whales greatest defenders of the whale's right to exist in peace. Spending time with the whales in Baja is a life changing event.
Don't miss it, and don't feel selfish, you'll see the young whales appreciate you being there as much as you do.
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by generubin] |
And they made a GREAT poster child for the battle against putting the terrible salt works in that area! Talking with one of the ejido members at
Kuyima this year, he talked about how proud they were of having stopped the salt works--- both the people and the whales!
And while there might be a case made against the practice of "petting" a whale, I agree that it is what has kept them living in peace. All of this
has created work for the locals, and an awareness of protecting the environment. The facilities around the lagoon are eco friendly and the people
are very proud of all of it!
We try to go at least once or twice a year to San Ignacio and it is always different, and always a very special experience. It is an honor to be
accepted by whales. They are in charge out there and if they did not want to be friendly, well it would not be fun for the humans in those little
boats. |
Just wondering why they are "terrible salt works" if at San Ignacio Lagoon... but the salt works at Ojo de Liebre (Scammon's) Lagoon is no problem at
all for the whales? |
As I said, the whales were the Poster Children. And please remember, it was the LOCALS, the fishing co-ops who in the end prevailed and stopped the
destruction of the environment and wanted to protect their way of life and income levels. It is about THEM and not what outsiders want or think.
They are just really proud that big money did not win that battle and the poster children helped.
Also, I doubt you have ever driven the back way into Ojo de Liebre---the road from the Vizcaino road that is restricted. We took a friend to work
that way---he had permission to pass. It is a shortcut to GN, but only passable with permission.
The devastation there is horrible---it is really ugly. The new company even flooded an old cemetery and they were surprised when a body floated to
the top of one of the ponds. And the Mexican environmentalists do have concerns about what could happen to the whale lagoon as the ponds evaporate.
But it is there and is a part of Guerrero Negro.
But the LOCALS in the San Ignacio area are proud that they prevailed over the big money interests and their poster children helped them in their
battle.
On edit. Just some food for thought.
A friend told us that he would love to write a book addressed to all gringos---one that is about Baja California Sur and the people so that MAYBE the
gringos who visit and or live there would begin to understand who they are and quit trying to tell them what how to do things and what is "best" for
them. They do grow weary of attempted gringo education.
(He uses the term gringo when talking to us because we have told him that it is not offensive to us)
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by DianaT] |
I always find it odd when a person thinks he can speak for everyone else. That would be like me saying I can speak for the people of Southern
California. Now that's not to say that your friend doesn't have an interesting perspective. Speaking to our many friends in BCS, I can say that each
has a unique perspective.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by generubin
...whales become the whales greatest defenders of the whale's right to exist in peace. Spending time with the whales in Baja is a life changing event.
Don't miss it, and don't feel selfish, you'll see the young whales appreciate you being there as much as you do.
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by generubin] |
And they made a GREAT poster child for the battle against putting the terrible salt works in that area! Talking with one of the ejido members at
Kuyima this year, he talked about how proud they were of having stopped the salt works--- both the people and the whales!
And while there might be a case made against the practice of "petting" a whale, I agree that it is what has kept them living in peace. All of this
has created work for the locals, and an awareness of protecting the environment. The facilities around the lagoon are eco friendly and the people
are very proud of all of it!
We try to go at least once or twice a year to San Ignacio and it is always different, and always a very special experience. It is an honor to be
accepted by whales. They are in charge out there and if they did not want to be friendly, well it would not be fun for the humans in those little
boats. |
Just wondering why they are "terrible salt works" if at San Ignacio Lagoon... but the salt works at Ojo de Liebre (Scammon's) Lagoon is no problem at
all for the whales? |
As I said, the whales were the Poster Children. And please remember, it was the LOCALS, the fishing co-ops who in the end prevailed and stopped the
destruction of the environment and wanted to protect their way of life and income levels. It is about THEM and not what outsiders want or think.
They are just really proud that big money did not win that battle and the poster children helped.
Also, I doubt you have ever driven the back way into Ojo de Liebre---the road from the Vizcaino road that is restricted. We took a friend to work
that way---he had permission to pass. It is a shortcut to GN, but only passable with permission.
The devastation there is horrible---it is really ugly. The new company even flooded an old cemetery and they were surprised when a body floated to
the top of one of the ponds. And the Mexican environmentalists do have concerns about what could happen to the whale lagoon as the ponds evaporate.
But it is there and is a part of Guerrero Negro.
But the LOCALS in the San Ignacio area are proud that they prevailed over the big money interests and their poster children helped them in their
battle.
On edit. Just some food for thought.
A friend told us that he would love to write a book addressed to all gringos---one that is about Baja California Sur and the people so that MAYBE the
gringos who visit and or live there would begin to understand who they are and quit trying to tell them what how to do things and what is "best" for
them. They do grow weary of attempted gringo education.
(He uses the term gringo when talking to us because we have told him that it is not offensive to us)
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by DianaT] |
I always find it odd when a person thinks he can speak for everyone else. That would be like me saying I can speak for the people of Southern
California. Now that's not to say that your friend doesn't have an interesting perspective. Speaking to our many friends in BCS, I can say that each
has a unique perspective. |
No, this particular person would never think he could speak for EVERYONE---but I know it sounded that way out of context of the conversation. Yes,
there are many unique perspectives, and their culture is different with each individual. On the other hand, the thing we hear the most from many
friends is the dislike of "gringo" education. While they differ in their ideas as to what should be done, it is their country and they are very proud
of their country and they want to do things their way---which ever way they argue about and end up choosing. They resent gringos thinking they
should lead the way to change; assisting and joining with Mexicans leading the way seems to be far more appreciated. Just our observations.
Then again, we have one local friend who is proud to be a Mexican, but he worships everything gringo--- He thinks EVERYTHING American is better
including the food and the beer. We tell him American beer is AWFUL. 
Bottom line, I believe, it is their country and we all are visitors and only there out of choice and because they allow us to be there. So while we
are happy the salt works did not happen, and other gringos think it should have happened, it was up to them to decide and they did.
[Edited on 3-3-2012 by DianaT]
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David K
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Still waiting for an answer to my question... but instead we get a lot of blah blah blah.
If the whales are not bothered and their numbers increase every year at Scammon's, despite the salt works there... why is salt works bad (for the
whales). I think only Shari or another whale expert can answer (and it has nothing to do with what people like or think about salt).
Maybe the objection has nothing to do with what is good or bad for whales, but instead is another power grab by one political mindset who use false
fear stories to get their way??? Just thinking of the Al Gore movie shown at public schools telling children that evil mankind were melting the ice
caps and killing polar bears.
Once again, my question:
"Just wondering why they are "terrible salt works" if at San Ignacio Lagoon... but the salt works at Ojo de Liebre (Scammon's) Lagoon is no problem at
all for the whales?"
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