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rhintransit
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curious re 'buying and selling' in Mexico
I was listening to the morning VHF net today and heard the 'remember we cannot buy or trade in Mexico' 'only swap for coconuts' wink wink wink spiel
for perhaps the forty billionth time. got to wondering, just where and how is this written in the law?
I'm not questioning that it is, somewhere, and I've heard the speculations/explanations that make some sense, such as tourists are expected to take
out everything they bring in and immigration says you can't compete with a Mexican for jobs, but...
do any of our legal experts and/or nationals know just what the specific law is? how is it worded?
just curious. thanks.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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DENNIS
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Well....we can buy in Mexico....inside the protected zone. We can go inland, say around Guadalajara, and buy all the dirt we can afford and don't
need a bank trust to do it.
Unfortunatly, except for a postage stamp sized parcel of land in Baja, the entire peninsula is in the protected zone so the Fideicomiso is required.
Do a google search on the wording of the law. It should be easy to find.
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Well....we can buy in Mexico....inside the protected zone. We can go inland, say around Guadalajara, and buy all the dirt we can afford and don't
need a bank trust to do it.
Unfortunatly, except for a postage stamp sized parcel of land in Baja, the entire peninsula is in the protected zone so the Fideicomiso is required.
Do a google search on the wording of the law. It should be easy to find. |
not talking about land. talking about buying say a car, or a radio, or a bucket of bottom paint, or selling same.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
not talking about land. talking about buying say a car, or a radio, or a bucket of bottom paint, or selling same. |
What??? We can't legally buy a car? How about groceries? Should we even be allowed in Costco?
You're allowing yourself to be terrorized by nonsense. I can't believe you, who knows your way around here, are even asking these questions.
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Like any nation that makes laws...some laws are REALLY WHACKY! (to understand why, take a hard look at the legislators..)
Here's a sample of strange Mexican laws..inlcuding buying/selling.
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/international/mexico
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
not talking about land. talking about buying say a car, or a radio, or a bucket of bottom paint, or selling same. |
What??? We can't legally buy a car? How about groceries? Should we even be allowed in Costco?
You're allowing yourself to be terrorized by nonsense. I can't believe you, who knows your way around here, are even asking these questions.
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thanks for your kind words. no wonder the newbies get terrified. I'm not (where did that come from, anyway?).
have another cup of coffee. add your mellowing agent of choice.
please re-read my original post. I said nothing about real estate.
I was not talking about groceries cars or Costco. I was talking about marine vhf nets.
obviously you are not familiar with these. for those who might not know/be curious:
all the marine vhf nets in Mexico follow a standard format for talk ('traffic') categories. one of the categories is 'swaps and trades' the standard
wording for that is 'remember we do not buy or sell in Mexico, we only swap or trade'
I am asking for anyone with knowledge of where that came from, what the basis in law is, to enlighten me.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
Like any nation that makes laws...some laws are REALLY WHACKY! (to understand why, take a hard look at the legislators..)
Here's a sample of strange Mexican laws..inlcuding buying/selling.
http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/international/mexico |
thanks. I especially like the one about any nude artistic display being illegal. unfortunately there was no button beside it for 'see full law'
like the others. more curiosity aroused.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
please re-read my original post. I said nothing about real estate.
I was not talking about groceries cars or Costco. I was talking about marine vhf nets.
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If you were talking about marine vhf nets, perhaps you should have said that....which you didn't.
You wanna go over it again? Here. Do it before your next Bloody Mary:
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I was listening to the morning VHF net today and heard the 'remember we cannot buy or trade in Mexico' 'only swap for coconuts' wink wink wink spiel
for perhaps the forty billionth time. got to wondering, just where and how is this written in the law?
I'm not questioning that it is, somewhere, and I've heard the speculations/explanations that make some sense, such as tourists are expected to take
out everything they bring in and immigration says you can't compete with a Mexican for jobs, but...
do any of our legal experts and/or nationals know just what the specific law is? how is it worded?
just curious. thanks.
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Are you asking if it's illegal to use a VHF for commercial purposes in Mexico?
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Islandbuilder
Are you asking if it's illegal to use a VHF for commercial purposes in Mexico? |
I hadn't thought of that, but perhaps it...or the answer...would explain the disclaimer on 'the net.' and maybe explain why the swap or trade thing
appears to have crossed over into the local lore/folks who camp or reside near cruiser nets.
excellent lead, thanks.
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It has always been the case that when using a 'radio net' for expats in Mexico that purchasing or selling for dinero that you never ask for cash..but
strictly 'trade for so many coconuts', etc.
Probably the same rule applies in the USA?..for marine broadcasts and such.
Makes sense to me...which in itself is alarming.
p.s. a little research might reveal the origin of such a custom, but I am going to be late for poker if I get into that today..
[Edited on 3-12-2012 by Pompano]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Islandbuilder
Are you asking if it's illegal to use a VHF for commercial purposes in Mexico? |
Actually, she's asking about this.
| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
not talking about land. talking about buying say a car, or a radio, or a bucket of bottom paint, or selling same. |
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
please re-read my original post. I said nothing about real estate.
I was not talking about groceries cars or Costco. I was talking about marine vhf nets.
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If you were talking about marine vhf nets, perhaps you should have said that....which you didn't.
You wanna go over it again? Here. Do it before your next Bloody Mary:
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I was listening to the morning VHF net today and heard the 'remember we cannot buy or trade in Mexico' 'only swap for coconuts' wink wink wink spiel
for perhaps the forty billionth time. got to wondering, just where and how is this written in the law?
I'm not questioning that it is, somewhere, and I've heard the speculations/explanations that make some sense, such as tourists are expected to take
out everything they bring in and immigration says you can't compete with a Mexican for jobs, but...
do any of our legal experts and/or nationals know just what the specific law is? how is it worded?
just curious. thanks.
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forget the mellowing agent, perhaps you've had too much
'morning VHF net' = marine VHF net
let's take this off line, or go to another channel as we say on the vhf. marine vhf that is. please use u2u if you want to say something to me
personally and I'll do the same.
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sancho
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Back in the day, the Yachties at the Old La
Paz Marina had a swap meet, it did not
last long, was cancelled by Mex Authorities.
I don't think you can bring anymore than 1 spare
tire, you might sell it
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sancho
Back in the day, the Yachties at the Old La
Paz Marina had a swap meet, it did not
last long, was cancelled by Mex Authorities.
I don't think you can bring anymore than 1 spare
tire, you might sell it |
Swap meet was yesterday at Don Jose Abaroa Marina next to Club Cruceros.
People who do not own businesses nor have a work permit can not sell goods, but may trade items.
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Send a message to nomad Ramuma53, our resident Mexican land law expert. He knows the law and will tell you what to look for so your investment will
be secure. Or you can re-post your question on the "Baja Real Estate Advice" thread and he will respond there. It's not hard to invest safely if you
know what to look for. When it comes to being a tourist-vendor, good luck on that. It seems to be hard to get the required vendor permits even for
the local Mexicans.
[Edited on 3-12-2012 by Woooosh]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rhintransit
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Classy. I'll assume it's yours since you didn't credit anyone else with it.
Keep up the good work developing that secret code. 
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buying /selling
law's ar brocken daily !!
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ncampion
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I think this may have roots in the HF HAM nets. According to FCC regs (including international) you cannot use the HAM frequencies for commercial
purposes. This prevented HAM operators from buying/selling or doing any kind of business on the HAM frequencies. Boaters who used the nets
(including me) always had to "dance around" these regs. I don't know if this same restriction is applicable to VHF frequencies. By definition, HAM
frequencies are for "amateur" purpose only - no business. However VHF frequencies are used for business purposes all the time as many vessel
operations use them for their commercial business. We would need a VHF expert to chime in on this.
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Leo
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Captkw, that's were laws are for.
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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