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bacquito
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I was recently givin a present of 4 Cooper tires-Discover A/TR (all Terrain)
I was planning on buying BF Goodrich all terrain, or Michelins all terrain.
How does the Cooper compare with BF. Goodrich or Michelin All terrain?
Thanks for advice.
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David K
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I ran these on my 2005 Tacoma and they were very good... I would get them again if need be. Made in the U.S.A..
I can't find a close up photo of them, just this one taken in July, 2009 outside of our yurt at Ignacio Springs Bed & Breakfast...
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bacquito
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I ran these on my 2005 Tacoma and they were very good... I would get them again if need be. Made in the U.S.A..
I can't find a close up photo of them, just this one taken in July, 2009 outside of our yurt at Ignacio Springs Bed & Breakfast...
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Thanks David
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David K
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De nada... I had Toyo Open Country ATs and then the Cooper Discoverer ATRs, both were very good truck or All Terrain tires... quiet on the highway,
better than the BFGs the truck came with by a long shot.
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Coopers are Good! I have been running them, in Baja for over 20 years (not the same set) Good value for money...
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About 10 years ago I was running Cooper's on my F-250 truck, and i liked them, but they did wear fast, I think because they had a softer rubber than
others. I only got about 20K out of mine. They may be totally different now, but I have heard good things about Cooper's over the years.
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David K
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While I am carefull with tire pressure and rotation, I don't get great mileage out of the tires I have run... perhaps because I don't buy the most
expensive?
On my 3 Tacomas I have had:
BFG Rugged Trail TAs: 30,000 tops (really good to 20,000, if you can even say good... prone to flats easily... nick name 'Rugged Fails')
Pep Boys (made by Cooper) Futura (now Destiny) Dakota ATs... über cheap but good only to 25,000 miles. Put them on my first Tacoma after running to
sets of BFGs... Having a 50,000 mile warranty meant replacing them cost just half price at 25,000 miles.
Cooper Discoverer STT... an expensive mud terrain off road tire, 3 ply sidewall... 40-45,000 miles. Look great, perform great in mud and rocks. Very
loud on the highway, terrible in sand, nick name 'Grave Diggers'.
Toyo Open Country AT... a very good truck tire... quiet, good in sand. 35-40,000 miles.
Cooper Discoverer ATR... same good experience as the Toyo... estimate 35-40,000 miles. Traded away truck with them on it.
Hankook Dynapro ATM, inexpensive, look good, quiet on the highway, great in mud, snow, sand... perhaps the perfect tire for my needs in a Tacoma 4WD.
I have 16,000 miles on them so far... and they are far from half way worn.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
I was recently givin a present of 4 Cooper tires-Discover A/TR (all Terrain)
I was planning on buying BF Goodrich all terrain, or Michelins all terrain.
How does the Cooper compare with BF. Goodrich or Michelin All terrain?
Thanks for advice. |
I did a Consumer Reports check for you and, based on their advice, I'd hang on to those Cooper tires. They scored 66 points out of 100, which is the
highest score for any of the all-terrain tires they tested. The BFGoodrich Rugged Terrain scored a 62 and the Michelin LTX A/T scored a 64.
[Edited on 4-6-2012 by Bajatripper]
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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David K
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Yah, the Cooper ATRs were good... but Consumer Reports is a terrible place to judge them from... Why in the world would they lump All Terrain (4WD/
Truck) tires in with highway tires and rate them on the same scale?
Highway/ street tires, All Terrain tires, and Mud & Snow tires are all seperate for seperate vehicles, seperate customers, seperate uses.
An All Terrain tire is the best choice if you have a truck, SUV or 4WD rig that spends more time on the highway than off road.. but will work well
enough in off road conditions to get you through... yet quiet on the highway with fair mileage.
Traction inproves with all three by adjusting the air pressure down... Just have a pump to return the pressure to normal when you return to pavement.
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No Cooper info here (sorry), but an additional good reference for all-terrain tires....
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.js...
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, the Cooper ATRs were good... but Consumer Reports is a terrible place to judge them from... Why in the world would they lump All Terrain (4WD/
Truck) tires in with highway tires and rate them on the same scale?
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A terrible place to judge tires from, David? They use the same scale in regards to how tires handle IN ALL SITUATIONS because, as you and I both know,
the vast majority of SUVs seldom see real off-road conditions (I'm not talking about Baja Nomads here, but the population as a whole). Given that
fact, it makes sense to rate all tires on the same scale in terms of handling on wet, dry, snowy, sandy, etc. etc. conditions since that is the "real
world" where these tires will be driven. That way people know what they are getting before they actually buy something.
Even as much as you come to Baja, I'm guessing that most of the miles that you accumulate on your vehicles is done on San Diego County's freeways and
paved roads. And you do drive on paved roads to reach your favorite off-road adventure spots in Baja, right? If you don't see the relativeness of
judging all tires that you might place on your vehicle in the same category, all I can say is: why aren't I surprised?
Perhaps I'm reading more into your reply than what is meant to be understood, but too often folks from the conservative side of issues think some
pretty weird things about Consumer Reports, yet they've never even read the magazine. You do know, for instance, that they accept NO
advertising, so they aren't beholden to anyone for advertising dollars. That alone makes their word much more trustworthy than most magazines, which
don't want to offend those whom they depend on financially so they often gloss over the truth of products. I suppose you also know that every vehicle
CR tests is bought off the lot, incognito, unlike other magazines, which ask for a loaner to test. It is a fact that when dealers/manufacturers
provide a car to a magazine for testing purposes, first they prep the vehicle to make sure that it is as perfect as possible. In other words, the
vehicle that is tested isn't necessarily the vehicle one might buy off the lot. They also hang on to some models to do extended testing on them, see
how they hold up in the real world over time. Another thing about Consumer Reports that you may not be aware of is that their reliability reports are
based on the information that owners of such products provide through yearly surveys. In other words, David, people who are using these products in
the real world are giving their input to the magazine (I've filled out numerous CR surveys over the years, reporting my relevant experiences). Given
these facts, please tell me why you express yourself the way you have about CR. Sounds to me like you shop like you politic--in total ignorance.
Whatever works for you David, its gotten you this far in life.
By the way, I'm driving a Toyota today because it is the vehicle most highly recommended by CR for the type of driving I do. I'm sure you could agree
that they nailed that one, right?
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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Yep...but Consumer Reports has a fetish for cheap. Put two items up for review by them and if one is cheaper than another and neither falls apart
the cheap one wins.
If you drive in Baja cheap should not count...experience should and that experience should come from people who drive Baja.
As they say, "You don't need a gun until you REALLY need one" and you don't need a superb tire in Baja until you REALLY need one.
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I don't agree with CR having a fetish for cheap. they have a fetish for value. They weigh out price, performance, and other things depending on what
the product is and rate it overall. If Cooper tires cost lets say $300 bucks each it would probably not be a CR recommended tire but it would still be
the top on the ratings list at 66 pts. and then you can make your own decision if you want to spend the extra for your needs or not.
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Well....maybe. But I remember a three month pogrom they had on fish sticks, ferhevinsakes....couldn't get enough data and test info on fish sticks to
make a decision...looked for cheap a lot....had taste tests by everybody except a stray cat who would have made a faster decision and saved us all
from prolonged gas pains over FISH STICKS...Sheesh!
Now, most of us don't give a Gnu's Gluteus for one pedigree of fish sticks for another...matter of fact, when The Boss makes them, I ask her if she
wants to go out to McDonalds or someplace that has good food.:-)
I suspect that the hierarchy at CR has some bad comb overs where their pony tails used to originate and I just know that they have a closet full of
tie dyed T shirts that they are too froofroo to wear now but to which they have an inordinate attachment.
:-)
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I see alot of folks running falken tires these days. people seem to love em
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Ha, BB, You know I'm going to disagree with that! Hey, and whats wrong with tie dye? Lol?
Edit spelling
[Edited on 4-6-2012 by goldhuntress]
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Yah, the Cooper ATRs were good... but Consumer Reports is a terrible place to judge them from... Why in the world would they lump All Terrain (4WD/
Truck) tires in with highway tires and rate them on the same scale?
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A terrible place to judge tires from, David? They use the same scale in regards to how tires handle IN ALL SITUATIONS because, as you and I both know,
the vast majority of SUVs seldom see real off-road conditions (I'm not talking about Baja Nomads here, but the population as a whole). Given that
fact, it makes sense to rate all tires on the same scale in terms of handling on wet, dry, snowy, sandy, etc. etc. conditions since that is the "real
world" where these tires will be driven. That way people know what they are getting before they actually buy something.
Even as much as you come to Baja, I'm guessing that most of the miles that you accumulate on your vehicles is done on San Diego County's freeways and
paved roads. And you do drive on paved roads to reach your favorite off-road adventure spots in Baja, right? If you don't see the relativeness of
judging all tires that you might place on your vehicle in the same category, all I can say is: why aren't I surprised?
Perhaps I'm reading more into your reply than what is meant to be understood, but too often folks from the conservative side of issues think some
pretty weird things about Consumer Reports, yet they've never even read the magazine. You do know, for instance, that they accept NO
advertising, so they aren't beholden to anyone for advertising dollars. That alone makes their word much more trustworthy than most magazines, which
don't want to offend those whom they depend on financially so they often gloss over the truth of products. I suppose you also know that every vehicle
CR tests is bought off the lot, incognito, unlike other magazines, which ask for a loaner to test. It is a fact that when dealers/manufacturers
provide a car to a magazine for testing purposes, first they prep the vehicle to make sure that it is as perfect as possible. In other words, the
vehicle that is tested isn't necessarily the vehicle one might buy off the lot. They also hang on to some models to do extended testing on them, see
how they hold up in the real world over time. Another thing about Consumer Reports that you may not be aware of is that their reliability reports are
based on the information that owners of such products provide through yearly surveys. In other words, David, people who are using these products in
the real world are giving their input to the magazine (I've filled out numerous CR surveys over the years, reporting my relevant experiences). Given
these facts, please tell me why you express yourself the way you have about CR. Sounds to me like you shop like you politic--in total ignorance.
Whatever works for you David, its gotten you this far in life.
By the way, I'm driving a Toyota today because it is the vehicle most highly recommended by CR for the type of driving I do. I'm sure you could agree
that they nailed that one, right? |
You misunderstood my reply or perhaps I , yours?
I thought you showed how All Terrain Tires rated lower than best, because they are rated WITH highway tires by Consumer Reports...
I responded that all terrain tires should be rated with other all terrain tires, only... that's what I meant it to sound like.
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I like my tires to have lots of rubber between me and the possible road hazards I will encounter on a Baja adventure.
One other point when choosing an offroad tire: How well is this tire repairable when an accidental puncture or damage has occurred?
I have seen AT tires which just ripped further apart after an initial side wall puncture with no chances being repair/fixed on the trail. Others do
quiet well after repair plugs have been installed.
I have been driven now over 83K Miles on two sets of BFG tires, the current one is a 285/75 16 MT Km2. This MT tire looks great and performs very
well, but it is very noise when driven on the solid roads. I really want to go back to the BFG AT's I were using before (295/75 16), but I still have
this brand new MT spare tire.......
[Edited on 4-6-2012 by Fernweh]
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Barry A.
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I am totally late to this discussion, and have not read it all, but I CAN say that CONSUMERS REPORTS, which I suscribed to for years, is pretty much
useless for my purposes because they use criteria that are mostly irrelevant to me, in most cases. I gave up on them about 5 years ago, especially on
"tires" and SUV type "vehicles". When they did a hatchet-job on Isuzu Troopers, and the little Suzuki Samurai, that was the beginning of the end, for
me!!! They crucified both those vehicles on criteria that simply should not apply to SUV's or any 4-wheel drive vehicle, IMO, and it pretty much
ruined or damaged both brands in this Country, which was a real shame. They could have written intelligent reviews, but the CHOSE not too, for
reasons that only they are aware of, and I found tha disgraceful and irresponsible.
I now pay no attention to CR anymore.
Barry
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Michelin LTX A/T are rated for 60k miles. they will be my next set. i know guys going on 80k at 9 years and still aren't at the wear bar.
edit: my toyo AT's are at 25k and are nearing the wear bar. not very good lifespan for me. they do well in the sand and mud though.
[Edited on 4-6-2012 by woody with a view]
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