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Hook
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FM2 now MANDATORY after four FM3s ??
One of the busiest professional agents who assist gringos in getting their immigration documents has posted a notice on her office, stating that the
new INM rules are in effect and that IT IS NOW MANDATORY FOR FM-3 HOLDERS TO CONVERT TO AN FM-2 AFTER HAVING HELD AN FM-3 FOR FOUR TIMES.
Has anyone else heard anything about this? Have the new immigration rules been released by the federal office that is supposed to publish it?
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ncampion
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Just got our new FM-3s a week ago in Loreto. This was after 4 years of FM-3 renewals. No problem so far.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
Just got our new FM-3s a week ago in Loreto. This was after 4 years of FM-3 renewals. No problem so far. |
Typical of the "Two Square Mile Laws" in Mexico. 
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karenintx
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From CSL...
Started our renewal last Thursday. Agent asked if we wanted to upgrade to a FM-2 or stay with a FM-3. We asked if it was mandatory to upgrade and
his answer was "No, only if you want to. You can keep an FM-3 forever." We were planning to upgrade but just wanted to hear his answer.
Could it be that the "busiest professional agent who assist gringos in getting their immigration documents" has found a new way to increase her
revenue! Then again, it seems each INM office has it's owns rules.
Also we are not required to start our renewal 30 days before expiration...we have the option to start but it is not mandatory. One of our friends
went to INM two days before his FM-3 expired and no one said anything to him. If it had been the day after expiration, that would have been a
different story.
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Hook
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Thanks for these replies. I am very skeptical about whether this was, in fact, a new law. I would have heard more about it, even prior to it being
published.
I am also very skeptical about the motives of professional agents.
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Actually it would reduce this person's income because you can only have an FM2 for 5 years.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
Actually it would reduce this person's income because you can only have an FM2 for 5 years. |
Unless she charges more for FM2s and a boatload to take you to inmigrado status. I dont know that for a fact, though.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Unless she charges more for FM2s and a boatload to take you to inmigrado status. I dont know that for a fact, though. |
That is precisely the case here. As in most all other areas of business in Mexico, these agents don't compete....they price-fix.
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Forgot to say...When the agent was explaining FM-3, FM-2 and Immagrado, he said "with a FM-2 you can not be out of the country more than 365 days in a
5 year period." Wanting to confirm what he had just said I said "so you are saying 365 days in 5 years and there is no annual limit?" He replied "it
is 365 days in 5 years."
Since we live here full time the "365" rule will not affect us...guess I should have asked what happens if a person goes over 365 days. Does that
mean they can't go to Immagrado, do they have to start over with a FM-3 or do they get to stay with FM-2?
We were told our FM-2's would be ready in 14 business days. I will ask more detailed questions about the "365" rule on that day.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by karenintx
Forgot to say...When the agent was explaining FM-3, FM-2 and Immagrado, he said "with a FM-2 you can not be out of the country more than 365 days in a
5 year period." Wanting to confirm what he had just said I said "so you are saying 365 days in 5 years and there is no annual limit?" He replied "it
is 365 days in 5 years."
Since we live here full time the "365" rule will not affect us...guess I should have asked what happens if a person goes over 365 days. Does that
mean they can't go to Immagrado, do they have to start over with a FM-3 or do they get to stay with FM-2?
We were told our FM-2's would be ready in 14 business days. I will ask more detailed questions about the "365" rule on that day.
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How would Mexican immigration determine if you were out of the country more than 365 days in 5 years?
bacquito
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
How would Mexican immigration determine if you were out of the country more than 365 days in 5 years? |
They know everything.....until you ask them a question.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bacquito
| Quote: | Originally posted by karenintx
Forgot to say...When the agent was explaining FM-3, FM-2 and Immagrado, he said "with a FM-2 you can not be out of the country more than 365 days in a
5 year period." Wanting to confirm what he had just said I said "so you are saying 365 days in 5 years and there is no annual limit?" He replied "it
is 365 days in 5 years."
Since we live here full time the "365" rule will not affect us...guess I should have asked what happens if a person goes over 365 days. Does that
mean they can't go to Immagrado, do they have to start over with a FM-3 or do they get to stay with FM-2?
We were told our FM-2's would be ready in 14 business days. I will ask more detailed questions about the "365" rule on that day.
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How would Mexican immigration determine if you were out of the country more than 365 days in 5 years? |
Because with an FM2 or and FM3, you are supposed to check in and out of the country with INM each time you leave.
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Hook
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Karenintx, did you ask about any restrictions on FM2 holders driving US plated vehicles? I have heard conflicting info on that. Some say it depends on
the Mexican state you live in. Others say it's a complete no-no and you have to import your vehicle(s).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Karenintx, did you ask about any restrictions on FM2 holders driving US plated vehicles? I have heard conflicting info on that. Some say it depends on
the Mexican state you live in. Others say it's a complete no-no and you have to import your vehicle(s). |
Good question Hook, I will add that question to my list...that seems to be growing! I will make a follow-up post after we get our FM-2's.
Bacquito = Since we fly in & out of SJD it will be very easy for INM to "count" the days we are in the country. The one time we did drive we did
stop at the border to process our paperwork.
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My husband was in downtown San Jose looking for a parking place. He sat for a while thinking that these people were leavin, but they weren't. When
he got near the square a cop pulled him over and told him that he was blocking traffic, wanted to see his license and registration. He was in our
stateside plated car, so he pulled out his wallet in which his Mexican license was visible and started looking for his California lic. When he tried
to hand it to the cop, the cop said, No that one and pointed to the Mex lic.
Go figure
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I have an FM3 and have renewed some 5-6 times. Just renewed in March and nothing was said about me having to have an FM2, or having to apply for one.
I use a professional FM service in San Felipe.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
My husband was in downtown San Jose looking for a parking place. He sat for a while thinking that these people were leavin, but they weren't. When
he got near the square a cop pulled him over and told him that he was blocking traffic, wanted to see his license and registration. He was in our
stateside plated car, so he pulled out his wallet in which his Mexican license was visible and started looking for his California lic. When he tried
to hand it to the cop, the cop said, No that one and pointed to the Mex lic.
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Sooo....what happened? Did your hubby get bit?
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Sooo....what happened? Did your hubby get bit
nope the guy told him....que tenga buen dia and sent him on his way.
so in San Jose, the must match your license with your plates isn't an issue.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
so in San Jose, the must match your license with your plates isn't an issue. |
Well....it can be an issue if they want it to be an issue. As you mentioned, the cop saw both licenses, but chose to read the Mex license probably
because it was more familiar to him.
Glad there was no mordida involved.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by karenintx
Forgot to say...When the agent was explaining FM-3, FM-2 and Immagrado, he said "with a FM-2 you can not be out of the country more than 365 days in a
5 year period." Wanting to confirm what he had just said I said "so you are saying 365 days in 5 years and there is no annual limit?" He replied "it
is 365 days in 5 years."
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Back in 2010 the rules changed, but even before that it was 18 months rather than 12, no idea where your agent got that figure from.
From May 2010, it has been no more than 2 years absence in total in any five years (section F 6.1.4 of the rules at http://dof.gob.mx/nota_detalle.php?codigo=5129775&fecha=... ).
This will all totally change when the 2011 Migration Law comes into effect, quite likely later this year. Initially it looks like it's going to be
much simpler, according to the latest draft rules.
Rob
[Edited on 2012-5-29 by Riom]
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