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Bob H
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Punta Colonet Mega Port Project???
Any update on this stalled project in Punta Colonet?
http://banderasnews.com/1001/nz-puntacolonet.htm
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surfer jim
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Couldn't the cartels finish the port? They have the cash . Would be lower cost just to ship one container full every week to L.A. It would reduce
border/freeway traffic also.
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With the completion of the work on the Panama Canal the large container ships will be able to pass through. These big ships will now be able to
off-load at east coast ports. Ports along the Atlantic and Gulf Coast are upgrading their facilities to handle the larger container ships.
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not in our lifetime. that means not in the next 20+ years. a lot of the land has been bought but key parcels are holding out. that, and the mineral
rights to the seabed will take forever to work out in the courts.
other than that, infrastructure in the area is a nice bonus, but i think a major new highway would be needed or a direct rail line to the border.
good luck!
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When the American economy crashed, so did the amount of goods headed for the west coast, and there went the need for a Mexican mega port.
When the railroad is built between Colonet and Yuma, AZ (via Valle Trinidad and the San Matias Pass), which comes first before cargo is offloaded,
then look for a port to be built.
It is a chicken or the egg kind of question, as to what comes first.
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Punta Colonet viable in next administration, says CMIC
Published: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 17:14 (GMT -0400)
By Rebecca Conan / Business News Americas
The Punta Colonet port project in Mexico's Baja California state is possible within the next administration, according to the president of national
construction chamber CMIC, Luis Zárate.
"The project is viable within the next administration, probably in smaller phases than originally planned," Zárate said during a presentation of
CMIC's infrastructure proposals for the next government.
For a successful tender, the transport and communications ministry (SCT) must have technical and financial studies in place, as well as a realistic
work schedule, the official said.
"Such an ambitious project could take up to 15 years to complete, which is why we recommend carrying it out in phases," Zárate said.
Budgeted at 50bn pesos (US$3.9bn), the original Punta Colonet project was to involve building and operating a port, a railway line and other transport
services.
A tender was launched in 2008 but later postponed due to the global financial crisis. SCT initially estimated capacity reaching 6mn TEUs/y by 2022,
but in 2009 revised it down to 1mn TEUs/y.
"The tender failed because it was launched without proper planning, without land to build on, without financial studies and without a work program,"
said Zárate.
When asked if Punta Colonet will still be necessary following once the Panama Canal expansion is complete, Zárate said the project is of significant
strategic importance.
The port will help alleviate eventual saturation at the port of Long Beach in the US. The US port was close to saturation point during the initial
phases of the Punta Colonet project; however, operation levels have since dropped, contributing to a downturn at the port, analysts say.
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We had lunch in a little Colonet taco place with a most gracious senora hostess.
We asked her about the project,
she just sort of smiled, sniffed and said that it was no longer a topic in town.
Clearly, the locals got their watches wound, and now it is just another "Nautica Escalara"
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it will never get built. the entire development idea makes little sense. if US needs additional port space so US consumers can consume asian goods,
why not expand a couple US ports and keep shipping jobs in US? shipping goods through another country (and potentially unstable country) makes no
sense.
thinking globally and acting locally,... if san diego was smart, san diego would expand it's port and refurbish it's rail infrastructure rather than
converting waterfront to hotels and stadiums.... i am sure LA, long beach, seattle and bay area will get hip and expand their ports long before some
fool spends billions to create a new port and rail line in remote mexico.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
it will never get built. the entire development idea makes little sense. if US needs additional port space so US consumers can consume asian goods,
why not expand a couple US ports and keep shipping jobs in US? shipping goods through another country (and potentially unstable country) makes no
sense.
thinking globally and acting locally,... if san diego was smart, san diego would expand it's port and refurbish it's rail infrastructure rather than
converting waterfront to hotels and stadiums.... i am sure LA, long beach, seattle and bay area will get hip and expand their ports long before some
fool spends billions to create a new port and rail line in remote mexico. |
Been to LA/LB ports lately? They're fairly empty. Why? The longshoreman's union has priced themselfs out of the biz. It's cheaper to go through the
ditch and unload on the East coast.
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China and Labor costs
That is what will drive this deal, nothing else.
Only China has the cash (and the incentive) to get it done,
and only the US is dumb enough to price itself out of the market.
Widening the Canal will not solve the labor costs, and frankly, I would much rather deal with labor issues on the West Coast than the Mafia Coast,
just my opinion.
And, fuel costs, Canal charges, and additional time at sea will not make that alternative so attractive.
If China wants to do this deal badly enough, they will find a way, if not then it will not happen,
And, China economic growth is stalled out right now, so that is another reason it will not be happening any time soon, if at all.
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Excellent thread IMHO thank you.
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As a Marine Electronics Tech
With plans to Retire just a mere 15 miles north of the port. I want to see it done for some "Supplemental Income". That and how it would help many of
my amigos who's lives have been ruined with the loss of the tourist trade...
Esteban
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Dream on! The west coast ports are toast. The union's will extract whatever they
can, but they're done.
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But there's more to it than just port capacity. Shipping ports are some of the most polluted real estate in the US. One of the primary factors for
wanting to move such operations to places like near the border in Mexico is to have the access to the US rail system (they had, at one point, planned
to link Colonet with the US rails) while not having to worry about those pesky environmental regulations and fines.
http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/ports1/overview.asp
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Dream on! The west coast ports are toast. The union's will extract whatever they
can, but they're done. |
why are all of you right wingnuts loopy? very little labor involved in cargo container shipping. labor cost is minor issue. most longshoremen laid
off 40 years ago when intermodal container shipping took over.
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mtgoat666,:biggrin. Loopy? Hide and watch.
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Brilliant comment- NOT~~~
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Dream on! The west coast ports are toast. The union's will extract whatever they
can, but they're done. |
why are all of you right wingnuts loopy? very little labor involved in cargo container shipping. labor cost is minor issue. most longshoremen laid
off 40 years ago when intermodal container shipping took over. |
Where do you get your facts, sir?
I just clipped this from a LATimes story run last month,
hardly matches your rather inappropriate observation....
"The nation's ports are competing for tens of thousands of new jobs that are among the best-paying blue-collar positions in the U.S.
International trade is important to the Southern California economy.
About 640,000 people work in trade-related jobs in Los Angeles, Orange, Ventura, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Imperial counties, economist
John Husing said. That's up from a low of fewer than 600,000 during the recession, but still far short of the 709,000 trade jobs in pre-recession
2007."
"very little labor" indeed- not per this quote...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by thebajarunner
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Dream on! The west coast ports are toast. The union's will extract whatever they
can, but they're done. |
why are all of you right wingnuts loopy? very little labor involved in cargo container shipping. labor cost is minor issue. most longshoremen laid
off 40 years ago when intermodal container shipping took over. |
Where do you get your facts, sir?
I just clipped this from a LATimes story run last month,
hardly matches your rather inappropriate observation....
"The nation's ports are competing for tens of thousands of new jobs that are among the best-paying blue-collar positions in the U.S.
International trade is important to the Southern California economy.
About 640,000 people work in trade-related jobs in Los Angeles, Orange, Ventura, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Imperial counties, economist
John Husing said. That's up from a low of fewer than 600,000 during the recession, but still far short of the 709,000 trade jobs in pre-recession
2007."
"very little labor" indeed- not per this quote... |
the 709,000 jobs are not in the ports. Most are elsewhere in places like the shipping/receiving warehouses in inland empire. are you telling me that
in so cal there are 709,000 longshoremen working the port terminals??????????
you are comparing apples to oranges. fruit loops indeed!
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Maybe I'm psychic? But I can see those big container ships by-passing the west coast ports. They didn't widen the Panama Canal for nothing. The big
ships are heading for Atlantic and Gulf Coast ports. They're done with all those west coast stevadore union goons. And good riddance to 'em.
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this is good news and means the project will never get built and the area will escape further blight. Cypress is right. When the Panama Canal
expansion project is finished in 2 years or so about 30-50% of Asain cargo will bypass the West Coast ports. Long Beach is already scrambling to plug
the whole with rail optimization projects and the such. I hardly see the need for a Pacific Baja port with all the extra cost and delays that would
entail. So rest easy, ain't gonna happen...
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