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QUETZALCOATL
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Here's a question my wife asked me last night and am hoping to get some of your views on it. Would you rather be buried in Mexico or America? My
answer was the same as always- for her to rent a ponga and toss me out at sea to give the fish revenge. Seriously what does it matter where you get
laid to rest?
in otin ihuan in tonalin nican tzonquica-Aztec saying for \"here ends the roads and the days\"
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bajaguy
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A lot depends on where you expire (US or Mexico) and what is in your will, trust and/or last wishes for the disposition of
remains...............however, please leave enough money for a farewell party!!!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by QUETZALCOATL
Seriously what does it matter where you get laid to rest? |
I guess you just answered your own question. 
Have you considered this as your final tribute: 
I mean, it's completely biblical......"ashes to ashes and all that stuff."
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David K
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In Baja is where I want to spend eternity... it is just too bad I will be dead!
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vgabndo
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BURIED! Never!
While I am convinced that the endless blackness that I didn't experience before my birth will continue after my death. My conscious claustrophobia is
so severe as to make the idea of being put in a box and buried actually causes me to fear death!
In reality it would have everything to do with the expense. When one adds the cost of transportation of the body back to the States, the cost of a
cremation becomes less of a bargain than the usual hedge on paying the rip-off for a fancy box in which to be planted. If the cost of the legal stuff
around disposal of a body in Mexico isn't excessive, why not have the work done there. Cremains are cheap to ship or move.
If one isn't tied up in cultural expectations, there are options. A friend of mine was buried a few years ago in a crate made out of oriented strand
board. Another friend relates the story of a 'very close to the land' tenant on her acreage, whose wife was known to be dying. When she passed, he
quietly cremated her on a pyre behind his 'camp'. When this came to light, the fine was less than the charges at a "funeral home".
Personally, I paid in advance for a military funeral. After the Patriot Act, after the same people hid the coffins of our war dead, and as a result of
growing into a sustainable philosophy, I no longer care to be memorialized under the banner of 'one nation under God'. So, I'd be smooth as silk with
being in Mexico when they send me: "... up the smoke stack, yes, and back into the storm." (Thanks James Taylor)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2t9QcMoZ0M
[Edited on 11-5-2012 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Osprey
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I wouldn't worry if your handle, your sombrenombre, Quetzalcoatl holds true you just hold on to the fact that the Living Feathered Serpent can never
die.
But, big but; if you die down here, if you turn out to be a mere mortal, your question is laughable. Those you leave behind will be more than just a
little surprised by Mexican's laws about the newly dead >> my advice is that you give someone you love instructions about your wishes and a lot
of pure gold bullion to have them carried out instead of what Mexico instructs be done with your sorry gringo a$$.
Don't believe me? Call or Email the crematorium in La Paz or some other major city.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Those you leave behind will be more than just a little surprised by Mexican's laws about the newly dead >> my advice is that you give someone
you love instructions about your wishes and a lot of pure gold bullion to have them carried out instead of what Mexico instructs be done with your
sorry gringo a$$.
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True as can be, Jorge.
OK....here's one from the BETCHADIDNKNOW File.....
Ensenada, as well as other cities, actually has a Boot Hill [actually it's a big pit] and, Gringo or not, thats where your bones will turn to dust if
paperwork is not in order for a more civilized disposition of remains.
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[Edited on 11-5-2012 by DENNIS]
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Bob and Susan
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or the fireman in you...
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luv2fish
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Actually, I heard that when you are burried in Mexico, your body will be exhumed after 5 years unless you pay additional fees. Even in death they are
ripping us off.
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DavidE
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You Just Don't Remember The 229 Nubian Nymphs
| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
BURIED! Never!
While I am convinced that the endless blackness that I didn't experience before my birth will continue after my death. My conscious claustrophobia is
so severe as to make the idea of being put in a box and buried actually causes me to fear death! |
If it were so bad on the "other side" ya think people would be jumping the fence to get back. Fearing death is as illogical as fearing life.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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captkw
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AMEN !!!
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grace59
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I plan to die in Mexico (way off in the future), be cremated and have my ashes spread out in the sea. From there I can travel the rest of the world
with ease.
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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mcfez
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An interesting topic here!
What is offered in Baja if one did die down there?
http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/disposition_remains.html
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Iflyfish
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Having given this topic some thought I thought I'd share some reflections with you.
First of all if there is indeed Reincarnation then I must have been some friggin Mother Theresa in the last life given the opulence of my existence.
It will not be the rocks and bank balance that we will be thinking about when we are on our way out.
Hearing is the last to go so if you find me in sufficient state of decay and I haven't yet had the good grace to end it on my own, please send me out
with some good music.....love the blues particularly and hold the female angst music. Bonnie Raite will do nicely.
I have avoided heroin but wouldn't mind it as a farewell drug of choice. Opium of course would also suffice and is more organic. Since morphine is the
usual drug of choice in these situations feel free to hit the plunger for me!
I don't have an imaginary friend so no need to invoke her presence. I do however have wonderful real friends in my life and I hope they will be able
to engage in some form of ritualized recollection and drinking, seems like a nice thing to do. Tell stories, lies and exaggerate my prowess in as many
ways as you can. Don't hold back ladies.
I like the way they laid Stan out and down. Lots of tears, great stories, fond recollections and lots of empty Tecate cans.
I have killed my share, eaten my share of what I killed, deeply contemplated the conscious or lack thereof of a rutabaga and common lab rat and have
concluded that self consciousness is what distinguishes us in the animal kingdom, though others have told me differently i.e. whales learning language
etc. and this self consciousness lies in the brain, which is the consistency of a thick custard, till it dies and then is becomes hard as a rock.
I have concluded that if we live on it's in the memories of others and few of us will last past a generation or two.
We pass our genes on and then they mutate. I grew up listening to Bach, Buxtehude, Telemann and Mozart, and the Blues ......ever listened to Rap? This
is what I have come to accept about my creations, my music.....it will all turn to Rap. I am resigned to that, some people, particularly young people
like Rap and that's ok with me. Rap ON!!!
It's all about recycling in the end and I am certain that nature knows well how to handle these matters.
Back atcha Vagabundo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wloenszRv0
Iflyfish
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QUETZALCOATL
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Sadly my casket air freshener company idea failed-how ever on a positive note Dennis and David have agreed to enslave 10,000 workers to build me a
pyramid for my remains and bajaguy agreed to glue feathers onto all the rattlesnakes in baja to honor Quetzalcoatl, For this I say thank you.
in otin ihuan in tonalin nican tzonquica-Aztec saying for \"here ends the roads and the days\"
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shari
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Having had to deal with this recently, I have an emotional opinion on this topic. As many have said, it depends where you expire and what your family
is prepared to do. Getting a body back to the states is a very difficult process involving many government entities and can take alot of time so I
learned you have to go through the whole embalming, funeral home thing anyway. FYI, the funeraria in Vizcaino charged 10,000 pesos to come and get the
body, prepare Stan for 8 days so his family & friends could arrive for the actual funeral., storage for 3 days and return trip in the hearse.The
casket was more expensive as it was the only jumbo one they had. there are several permits you need to get too.
Getting someone cremated is very costly and also tricky involving someone going to either Ensenada or La Paz...lots of paperwork too and I was told
you still need to buy a casket and prepare the body for transport...it isnt as easy as people think. So for those left behind to deal with things, a
local burial is far easier, a beautiful experience at a fraction of the cost of other choices...not to mention it is the traditional way to honour the
dead.
If you love where you live in Baja, you will most likely love your amigos too and the locals will give you a fitting respectful send off to be proud
of so your soul will fly or fish with the angels.
I also wanted to be cremated with ashes spread at San Roque and the blowhole but after experiencing how incredibly powerful Stan's wake and funeral
was...it would be an honor to be accompanied out with my amigos and family here and the local cemetery is a beautiful place for my weary bones to
rest.
So please think things over carefully keeping in mind those left behind to organize it all.
[Edited on 11-6-2012 by shari]
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Iflyfish
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Skeet's been working on the snakes, may take some time. By the way Quetz, we thought you returned once and look what it cost us!!!
Iflyfish
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QUETZALCOATL
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Don't be fooled again by a Spanish ahole sportin a beard.
in otin ihuan in tonalin nican tzonquica-Aztec saying for \"here ends the roads and the days\"
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We will all live on forever thru our words on this website and even more so on Facebook. Someday you're grandkids will be scrolling thru your Baja
trip reports, or seeing that you "liked" the Taco Bell page on Facebook.
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David K
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It is an honor to build your pyramid!
Quetzalcoatl (“feathered snake”) is the Aztec name for the Feathered-Serpent deity of ancient Mesoamerica, one of the main gods of many Mexican and
northern Central American civilizations. Civilizations worshiping the Feathered Serpent included the Olmec, the Mixtec, the Toltec, the Aztec, and the
Maya.
The worship of Quetzalcoatl sometimes included human sacrifices, although in other traditions Quetzalcoatl was said to oppose human sacrifice.
Quetzalcoatl was the god of life, fertility and gave penitence, love, and exemption from rituals of sacrifice, and Autosacrifice.
His birth, along with his twin Xolotl, was unusual; it was a virgin birth, born to the goddess Coatlicue.
According to Apocalyptic literature, esoteric knowledge, such as magic, divination, and astrology, was transmitted to humans in the mythic past by the
two angels, Aza and Azaz’el (in other places, Azaz’el and Uzaz’el) who ‘fell’ from heaven (see Genesis 6:4). Is this Quetzalcoatyl and his twin?
Quetzalcoatl was often considered the god of the morning star and his twin brother, Xolotl was the evening star (Venus).
As the morning star he was known under the title Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, which means literally “the lord of the star of the dawn”.
Remember that the name Lucifer also is an ancient name that means Venus, the morning star.
He was known as the inventor of books and the calendar, the giver of maize corn to mankind, and sometime as a symbol of death and resurrection.
Quetzalcoatl was also the patron of the priests and the title of the Aztec high priest.
Lord of Healing and magical herbs, known as a symbol of thought and learning, of the arts, poetry, and all things good and beautiful. Lord of Hope and
Lord of the Morning Star.
[above image and information from: http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/quetzalcoatl-the-god-behin... ]
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