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eguillermo
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Camp stove fuel in Loreto?
For the second time ever I'm going to do a trip via airplane/rental instead of my truck, which means buying lots of stuff once I get on the ground --
like fuel for a camp stove.
Does anyone have a good idea what can be bought (and where) in Loreto?
I have a stove that can use white gas or kerosene, which I think is called "bencina blanca" in Spanish.
However, I'll get myself a nice lightweight propane/isobutane-burning stove -- if the canisters of some kind or another can be bought in Loreto. Does
anyone know if they can be?
I plan to go straight over to Mag bay Sunday morning after arriving Saturday night. This could mean that I end up cooking on wood fires, which ain't
the end of the world 
Thanks Amigos!
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Bruce R Leech
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what type of fuel?
[Edited on 12-2-2012 by Bruce R Leech]
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Marc
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White gas is easily available at at a number of stores in Loreto.
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Hardware stores sell the small propane cylinders, the ones you use for a torch.
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mega between los cabos had little colman propane canisters
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i didn't believe it but they can fill your empty cylinders at any place that has a bigger tank than the one you are trying to fill. you just need the
correct
"adaptador"
this was confirmed a decade ago whilst camped at 3rd point!!!!
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[Edited on 12-2-2012 by woody with a view]
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the little green Coleman canisters can be had at Blazer Sports. I haven't the faintest idea what you need, just that those propane things are
available. also, with the right adapter, you can do it yourself fill out of a regular bbq tank canister, just turn the big one upside down and let
the fuel flow. again, I haven't a clue what the adapters are, and where to get them, but lots of beach camper people do it.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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I have had no luck buying white gas anywhere in baja, and I have asked all over
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White gas !!
white gas is unleaded.... kerosine is a less refined than reg gas and is basically diesel..is your stove a MSR ?? cole man stoves and msr will run
fine on gas at the pemex..coleman has been running this scam for a longlong time..the White gas in the red can is a cleaner version than pump gas !!
make sure that when turning off you turn the knob from high to low 4 or 5 times to clean the generater which is a brass tube with a inner wound coil
with a long ss "needle that runs thur it..when hot it turns the solid fuel into gas.. as in vabor..Really simple..so to answer your exact ? I know you
can find it ACE in la paz.. and Yes you can fill the green bottles of propane off a bigger tank.....control the energy & you control the
people.......enron??
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Kerosene can be found at ferreterias under the name petroleo.
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monoloco is correct!
sounds like he has the msr stove that comes with 2 jets and I myself run the "magna sin" much hotter (btu) than kerosine and less plugging of the
fuel system..K&T PPS just had a crazy thought....wonder how it would run on the cane alcohol ???
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Several places in Loreto sell what you are looking for.
The real problem is - you are arriving Saturday afternoon and most hardware and other than grocery stores close early on Saturday. Hardware at 1 and
other stores at 4. And they do not re open later in the evening.
So finding a place open to see you the stuff might be the problem.
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eguillermo
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Thanks guys! I really appreciate all the help.
Mula's right about my problem though: probably won't have a chance to get fuel Saturday night, and my plan is to drive out early to the Pacific side
Sunday.
When I get back to Loreto I'll go around and take pictures of all the canisters, for the record I think I know which green coleman canisters you mean, and I was thinking of a lighter canister like these one for
kayak camping: http://www.rei.com/product/665544/msr-superfly-stove
Anyway, I'll bring my white gas/kerosene stove if it doesn't put my bags overweight -- and will use a hobo stove for a few days if it does
So psyched to get out of this rain and onto the beach for some fishing and paddling!!!!!!
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Ok, as a long time camper here is my 2 cents.
The easiest way - get a small propane stove, the one that accepts 1 lb propane cartridges. Don't buy $10 top-screw propane stoves, they flip over too
easily. These tanks are available in hardware (ferreteria), Electrica y Plomeria (near bus station), and possibly at sporting stores in Loreto. Note
that many stores close at 5 pm or earlier, and your plane, or should I say The Plane arrives at 3 pm. Though, free-standing stove for 1 lb tank is a
rare thing, mostly they are top-screw stoves. If you are really close to 4 pm, run as fast as you can to the closest ferreteria and grab long blue 1
lb tank complete with torch, it costs $25 (compare to $7 of tank alone), but you have no choice.
There can be 2 kinds of 1 lb propane tanks - short green or long blue, few cents more. Same thread, same gas. Don't buy long yellow 1 lb tanks - those
are different gas.
If my memory doesn't fail me, Ferreteria Chuko's on Francisco y Madeira was still open after 4 pm on Saturday and I got a green 1 lb tank there. They
also had long blue 1 lb tanks. But this is Mexico - next time they might not be open.
Re-filling a 1 lb tank is a bull-sht. They are disposable and not re-fillable, unlike 20 gallon tanks.
Plan B: get a stove for MSR/Primus LPG cartridges like the one in your link. (Free-standing are preferable to top-screw but not too much, because the
canister is wide ans stable). Those are more costly and less common than 1 lb propane tanks, but I saw them in camping and hardware stores too, can't
remember where.
Plan C: Alcohol stove. No simmering options, but you will always find 100% methyl alcohol in hardware or paint store, or 70% rubbing alcohol in
pharmacias (works so-so).
Can't say about white gas. I don't like liquid fuel stoves, and airlines don't like them either. You'll have to wash it REALLY well, and you can't
take a pressurized empty container when flying, unless it's a brand new empty container that never contained a fuel. Pressurized container is a part
of the stove (unlike with LPG stoves), the stove won't work without it.
[Edited on 12-2-2012 by Alm]
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As captkw pointed out 'white gas' is just unleaded gasoline.. the camping version sold at sports stores may be free of automobile additives, but the
odds are that Pemex gasoline is, anyway. We know it is free of ethanol since we all get better gas mileage than on the stuff they make us buy in
California.
Before the 1970's all gasoline contained lead as a lubrication and wear protector for the engine's valves. Gasoline camp stoves (Coleman) and lanterns
(that you pumped to pressurize) didn't need lead, so unleaded gas was available and called 'White Gas'.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Alm
Re-filling a 1 lb tank is a bull-sht. They are disposable and not re-fillable, unlike 20 gallon tanks.
[Edited on 12-2-2012 by Alm] |
Wrong!! Here is the gadget from Harbor Freight, that let yourefill disposable canisters
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i knew i wasn't dreaming!
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the argument regarding the safety and legality of refilling disposable canisters has been raging for years. I refill em and believe its a better
alternative to filling up landfills (or worse) with spent bottles and certainly cheaper. the key is to first refrigerate the empty bottles. jmo of
course!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
| Quote: | Originally posted by Alm
Re-filling a 1 lb tank is a bull-sht. They are disposable and not re-fillable, unlike 20 gallon tanks.
[Edited on 12-2-2012 by Alm] |
Wrong!! Here is the gadget from Harbor Freight, that let yourefill disposable canisters
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X2. Do it all the time for camping/surfing trips away from Baja Home base.
That Harbor Freight combined fitting will work but I find it easier to use the two terminal fittings, (POL for the bulk tank and the small bottle
fitting) connected to a three ft propane hose.
Remember, you have to fill the small bottle with liquid propane, not the gas.
Connect the two tanks together. Turn the bulk tank upside down so that the liquid will leave the tank via the hose. Put the small tank lower than
the big tank. Keep the small tank upright. Open the valve on the bulk tank. Depress the tire valve vent on the top of the small tank to let the
trapped vapor out as the liquid propane flows from the big tank to the small tank. Fill the small tank to about 80% volume. You can tell this by
wiggling/shaking the small tank as it fills. It doesn't take long, (30 seconds mas or menos).
This is the same process that Coleman used to fill the small tank at the factory. They want you to think that they are disposable so that they can
sell more of them. The problem is in Baja, sometimes, You can't buy more!
NO SMOKING!
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Alm
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Ok, he can refill a 1 lb propane cartridge. Leaving safety aside, just 2 questions:
1) Doesn't he need to bring an empty 1 lb propane tank in air luggage in order to refill, and if so, are you sure that airline will allow this?
2) With 1 lb tank lasting 7-10 days (for one person), isn't it easier to buy a second tank if you go for a short vacation, rather than buying one
small tank and one big tank? This is of course if you don't keep a permanent home in Baja - and if you do, you wouldn't worry about flying in late and
buying 1 lb tank because you would have one in your shed, right?
Possible 3rd question, more a rhetoric one: how this big+small tank setup would work with kayakers flying in, getting to their put-in point by bus or
somebody's ride, and then flying out? ... To answer the question "what bus if he
has a kayak to transport" - have you ever heard of folders?
PS: almost forgot: tank-less stove Sierra Zip. A horrible thing but it works if you have no choice. Some people even like it. Not me.
[Edited on 12-2-2012 by Alm]
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