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white gas=unleaded
for car,boat,beach camping its hard to beat the coleman 533 dual fuel single burner stove and is around 50 bucks !! solid performer and has some
btu's.. not very good for simmering ..and you can refill from from your boat/car,truck....The Msr whisper lite is around 99 bucks and is good for back
packing and comes with2 jets..one for kerosine and one for unlead (white) gas... not a great camp stove...the more you know..the more you relise you
didnt know !!! happy cooking !! K&T .......................................
PS..the twin burner coleman runs fine with pemex pump gas also...recommend having a spare pump and generator !!!
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Alm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
for car,boat,beach camping its hard to beat the coleman 533 dual fuel single burner stove and is around 50 bucks !! |
One of those occasions when I agree with captkw.
If it's more like a car camping, when you fly in, join somebody with a car, make a base camp and do daily surfing or kayaking with return to the base
every night, get a double burner. It is not too light or compact for air luggage, but doable.
A good free-standing single burner propane stove - the one that is easy to pack for overnight kayaking and compact enough for air luggage - is a
rarity. (There exist good free-standing stoves for red MSR cartridges like in the OP link, but this isn't a propane, though a similar LPG).
There is some cheap Free-standing single-burner this one but this isn't what I would consider a good one. Never heard of anybody using them in wilderness trips, and don't like the legs and
plastic-looking platform.
The OP plans are somewhat unclear - if it really has to be a lightweight camping stove, then it means - a single burner, and then the choices are
limited (I listed them before, don't want to repeat).
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There are refill devices for sale.....and they work very well :-) Finding the bottle down there in Baja shouldn't be a issue.....just look for a used
bottle from others.......
White gas.....never use it. I just "fill her up" at the gas station for the last 30 years.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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willardguy
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now if it had been castrol"R" bean oil it still would have tasted like sht but can you imagine the sweet smell......
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Alm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
There are refill devices for sale.....and they work very well :-) Finding the bottle down there in Baja shouldn't be a issue.....just look for a used
bottle from others....... |
There is a Murphy law. You are not going to find anything when you need it. This is why I carry a backup Sierra Zip when flying in, and on one trip
had to use it twice. First time when the stores were closed upon arrival, and second time when a tiny valve from the propane stove somehow unscrewed
and got lost. Sierra burns anything, and needs very little. 20 minutes wandering around the camp, picking up palm fronds and small twigs, and I could
make a hot meal with tea.
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White gas can be found at paint stores.
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These are kind of cool - burn twigs. also charges your phone ..
http://www.biolitestove.com/campstove/camp-overview/compare/
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Alm
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Thermoelectrical gadgets come and go, and never stay for long. Too many reliability problems. And there is no need. He can charge the phone in the car
(since it looks that there will be a car).
It takes an hour to charge a small flip phone from 120V. Smartphone - don't remember, 2 or 3 hours. This is with 120V charger. From that
thermo-electric gadget - maybe 6-7 hours. Feeding it with twigs on a hot Baja day, all day, and the wind always seems to blow the smoke where you are
at the moment. 15-20 minutes with wood-burning Sierra to make a simple meal, is enough pain, if you count in sooty pots and hands. But doing it 7
hours - no, thanks...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Alm
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
There are refill devices for sale.....and they work very well :-) Finding the bottle down there in Baja shouldn't be a issue.....just look for a used
bottle from others....... |
There is a Murphy law. You are not going to find anything when you need it. This is why I carry a backup Sierra Zip when flying in, and on one trip
had to use it twice. First time when the stores were closed upon arrival, and second time when a tiny valve from the propane stove somehow unscrewed
and got lost. Sierra burns anything, and needs very little. 20 minutes wandering around the camp, picking up palm fronds and small twigs, and I could
make a hot meal with tea. |
You are saying that a airline allowed you to check in an "empty" canister? That sort of equipment has been disallowed on commercial flights.......for
years.
Why carry a Sierra Zip? Just dig a little hole...or create a ring with rocks.....add palm fronds and small twigs.......presto!
I'm not impressed with any of your responses here.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Alm
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by mcfezYou are saying that a airline allowed you to check in an "empty" canister? |
No, and would have never said something like this.
| Quote: | | Originally posted by mcfezWhy carry a Sierra Zip? Just dig a little hole...or create a ring with rocks.....add palm fronds and small
twigs....... |
You probably are not familiar with Sierra or similar forced ventilation stoves. It has a fan, and works like an oxygen furnace for steel production. A
big difference from a fire pit, a lot more efficient, less fuel and easier to burn things that are wet or don't burn well for some other reason.
Besides, making a fire pit is some work too. But, like I wrote earlier, I'm carrying it as a backup and normally prefer propane stove.
| Quote: | | Originally posted by mcfez I'm not impressed with any of your responses here. |
Though amusing at times, responses from people that didn't take their time to read before responding, don't impress me too much either  ...
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"...I'm going to do a trip via airplane"
This post is about flying in supplies. I suppose your statements were that of a broken part...that you pack in on a flight. Now.....I wouldnt be
packing one of these jolly good pit burners you claim is really great stuff when space is limited and......when an item such as this can be a waste of
weight ......especially when a simple method such as cavemen used 10 thousand years ago......just build a little fire. Are you really that
lame........ to need all the gizmos for a simple trip? What you do for a bathroom....tow a outhouse too?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Alm
| Quote: | | Originally posted by mcfezYou are saying that a airline allowed you to check in an "empty" canister? |
I would have never said something like this.
| Quote: | | Originally posted by mcfez Why carry a Sierra Zip? Just dig a little hole...or create a ring with rocks.....add palm fronds and small
twigs....... |
You probably haven't tried Sierra or similar forced ventilation stoves, or you would've known the difference from a fire pit. Besides, making a fire
pit is some work too. |
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Alm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I suppose your statements were that of a broken part...that you pack in on a flight. |
Huh? When and who suggested packing a broken part on a flight, I wonder...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Alm
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I suppose your statements were that of a broken part...that you pack in on a flight. |
Huh? When and who suggested packing a broken part on a flight, I wonder... |
'......You probably are not familiar with Sierra or similar forced ventilation stoves. It has a fan, and works like an oxygen furnace for steel
production'
Murphy law too?
....so you think one can buy batteries out in the open wilderness? Go to use this thing and the battery is dead. Oh geeze, now what? oh....I'll build
a small campfire instead :-) Any boyscout reject can build a fire in any conditions. Your earlier statement sounded as if you have packed in a
canister on a plane......but your didn't say that outright...just seems like that's how your story went.
What makes you so sure that this gizmo with a battery and wires hanging out of it will pass inspections without a hitch....at the airport? :-) You
idea of using a "oxygen furnace" is absolutely crazy.
Do a xray on this and see the results.....
I'm just curious......do you do much primitive camping?
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Murphy law too?
....so you think one can buy batteries out in the open wilderness? Go to use this thing and the battery is dead. Oh geeze, now what?
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Now you lay down and die ... Relax... The motor is tiny, 1AA battery lasts at
least a few days. Never tried it for long, for me it's a backup. Works without a battery too. Ventilation is still there, natural draft of warm air
flowing up in the double walls, just not as efficient as with fan. Personally, I find the fan mode too "powerful" when driftwood is dry (usually the
case in Baja), and weather is warm. While simmering things like rice or buckwheat, fan is definitely not needed. Sometimes turn it on when flame is
dying - better than kneeling around the bonfire and blowing by mouth.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Any boyscout reject can build a fire in any conditions. |
Bonfire is no comparison to vented stove. More fuel needed, less convenient, and takes time to build. I don't have any affiliations with Sierra, but
for those not into wilderness hiking/kayaking, here is the demo. It is 6" diameter x 6" height, 2 lbs with pots. 1.5 lbs in titanium. I found small aluminum pot and it packs smaller yet, roughly 5"x4",
weighs about 1 lb total. I also carry a pack of 4 spare AA, for GPS and other things. It weighs a few ounces, and takes a heck of a space in my
luggage, yes
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
sounded as if you have packed in a canister on a plane... |
Must be some sound distortions. Here is what I wrote earlier about empty propane cartridges: "are you sure that airline will allow this?".
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
What makes you so sure that this gizmo with a battery and wires hanging out of it will pass inspections without a hitch....at the airport?
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Experience. My Sierra is an older model, though, with battery and switch mounted under the stove, like in the video. Not "hanging out of it". When
packed, it doesn't hang out of it anyway.
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
do you do much primitive camping? |
Yes.
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Bonfire! That sounds great too.... if we are roasting a few 16oz steaks....otherwise a simple 8 inch rock rimmed fire started with a Flint Knife does
wonders:
Peel off the outer bark of any narrow branch (Oh! It's dry)....maybe some moss or bird's nest.....strike.....little flame arrives at your campsite.
Oh...add some bigger fuel pieces as time goes on. I must warm you though about several things about doing it this way: your Swanson frozen dinners
that you pack ...wont fit the little fire. ...and you'll starve because you wont eat cold food. Secondly.......take some band aids with you.....I 'm
sure that you'll burn your little pinky while striking that flint that you have zero experience with.
The reviews about your city slicker gizmo is this:
".....I got an XL for emergencies, but I pull it out occasionally in summer because it's fun to use. As promised, fuel can be twigs, dried bark, pine
cones and just about anything else you can get to burn in a campfire. I've burned dried corn cobs and sawdust without problems. Once it's burning
well, there's plenty of heat. It doesn't handle wet wood very well, and if you manage to choke out the fire you'll get impressive amounts of smoke
instead of heat."
Impressive unit :-)
".......It doesn't handle wet wood very well".
Just tells us the truth here Alm .......you are posting here at the BN from your Winnebago, yes? :-)
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You guys are toying with each other, both make valid points. I own, and have used, the Sierra Zip stove. It works as intended, therefore a choice
given many other alternatives. Problem is, in CA High Sierra above 10K ft, it is illegal to collect even twigs for a fire. So you are stuck with
isobutane, propane, gas, etc. Back country Baja is not a problem. I spend many weeks crosscountry, off trail, in the High Sierra, ultralight, and
like a small self-made alcohol stove (1 oz). But its really worthless in wet, windy conditions, but certainly ultralight. Newer 4 oz isobutane
cannister stoves are great, but you carry empty cannisters out. I use them hiking and camping in Baja, but with no available cannisters, wood works
whether it is an open fire or a Zip stove. Nice thing is that there are choices and one lives by those choices. Cold hard Top Ramen is edible, but
not very good.
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