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dirtbikr
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Mood: start slow....then taper off!
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medical help
Even though all I do, " it seems", is dream of how do I get out of the rat race and hang out on some dezerted beach ,with my fishing pole in one hand
and a cerveza in the other, I have to think with my other brain and seriously think how this would really work. I am in pretty good shape
(healthwise), but part of me says what if I had a bad accident or came down with sand between the toes syndrome and needed medical attention real
fast, like NOW! A couple of years ago we saw a fatal accident with other passengers needing help between gn and santa rosalia. A somekind of ambulance
arrived about an hour later which meant there was another hour travel to some kind of medical place and they probably would have died. I guess what I
am really trying to find out is in what towns have medical help or how long it would take to see a doctor in a emergency. I know there is a hospital
in la paz and ensenada, what is in between?
If you\'re not living on the EDGE... You\'re taking up too much room! Its never too late for a darkside.
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EnsenadaDr
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Did you read my thread on Seguro Popular? Where are you thinking of settling? My honest opinion is to live near the border, but travel and visit all
those faraway places..
[Edited on 1-28-2013 by EnsenadaDr]
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Loretana
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dirtbikr
What Janene (our esteemed EnsenadaDr) says above is essential and intelligent advice......however, with a handle like "dirtbikr" you must be a wild
and crazy guy who likes to get hurt.
You have heard of the "golden hour"? It pretty much doesn't exist in Baja, except in or very near the two cities with trauma units.
I know the Baja 1000 keeps helicopters ready during the races to get injured guys to trauma units to save their lives. Trauma units......STATESIDE.
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
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Skeet/Loreto
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biker:
I have spent many years in Baja Sur around Loreto and La Paz. I think that most of the health services have been Fantastic! You will find much more
Compassionate Doctors there than the States.
In Fact they saved my wife's life in Constitution . The arrived from a trip North and started having sever pains, at that time there was only a couple
of Doctors in Loreto. I took her to the General Hospital in Constitution on a Sunday. They check and found out her Appe had slowly rutured and after
check told her she only had about 4 hours to live. Operated that day she was released in a week.
Doctor who did the Surgery is now the Haead of the other Hospital
Later on they did an operation on my neck. Later went to the hospital inLa Paz.
I would not hesitate anytime I was there to get their Services.
Skeet/Loreto.
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BajaBlanca
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someone told me that one can get insurance somewhere that will send a helicopter to wherever you are, no matter how remote, and it was reasonable. I
wrote about it once a long time ago and now can't remember the details.
surf insurance perhaps ???
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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It used to be that only Hermosillo, Sonora had a primer grado IMSS hospital but I'll bet TJ and Mexicali have them. The second grade hospitals, like
the one in Ensenada are not as well equipped and the "Perifericos" are little more than health clinics.
I can live in Jamul, or Encinitas, or Hemet and a ride to a medical center will take the better part of an hour. I can fall flat on my face on my
kitchen floor next door to the Mayo Clinic and won't have much better chance of survival than I would living in the wilds of Nicaragua, if I had a
severe heart attack.
Get stabilized and head for the border. An accident occurring say in Cataviña would mean three hours or more for an ambulance to ARRIVE.
It goes with the territory. I refuse the notion of living in a tall apartment building with a chute leading from my fire escape down to the
neighboring hospital's ER room.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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EnsenadaDr
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Not true, David, they could start you on a clot buster streptokinase, and take you in and open up your coronary arteries to stop any damage to the
heart, via angioplasty. In Ensenada, they have this at Cardiomed, same with TJ. What everyone needs to do is contact a cardiologist, or even a
family medicine doctor and have their number for an emergency to set up an angioplasty at the closest facility, which in this case would be Cardiomed.
Make sure they have the clot buster available on hand. You are wrong, Hospital General Ensenada has the best cardiologists on hand and so does
Cardiomed. Ensenada is very well equipped for all of this.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I was speaking of the IMSS facilities. You are saying the IMSS Ensenada now is primer grado?
Thank You
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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EnsenadaDr
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No, but you made a blanket statement which led me to believe all the facilities, including IMSS>
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David K
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There is Air Evac insurance as well... I believe 'Pescador' has a link in his signature for one. .. ?
The other often noted assistance comes from Celia Diaz of the (BEMCC) Bi-National-Emergency Medical... who is supposed to make all the connections if
you need medical assistance.
I know personally of two situation she was involved with... one was fantastic and air-evac'ed someone from Gonzaga Bay (several years ago)... The
other friend of ours wasn't helped because it was deemed too late in the day for an air evac from the non-controlled, but paved runway... so a 4 hour
drive to San Quintin was the next best option, were he passed away.
So, make sure you need an air evac early enough in the day (and maybe good weather?)! Being near an International airport may also be wise (Los Cabos,
La Paz, Loreto, San Felipe, Tijuana, and Mexicali)?
Here is the web page that explains Celia's organization: http://www.binationalemergency.org/about_us.html
Here is the one in Pescador's sig.: http://medjetassist.com/
[Edited on 1-29-2013 by David K]
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Loretana
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Sky Med takes you home
1-800-475-9633
<http://www.skymed.com>
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
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mtgoat666
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Always hear good things about "celia." But always wondered if she is a one-woman (super woman) show? What happens if you have accident when she is
gone on vacation? Are there other staff?
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CortezBlue
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Dirtbikr
I don't know how old you are, but I am in my late 50's and I have had many of the same thoughts. We have a house in San Felipe and Dr. Abasolo is a
great Dr and I have had him cut things and stitch things off and on of both myself and my wife. There are not really any hospitals in San Felipe and
I would have to get transported to Mexicali, which is enough to cause an anxiety attack.
That is one of the reasons why we are looking into Cabo as a possible option. It appears to have some great facilities.
That being said, I have a neighbor who is in his 60's and he has had some great work done in Mexicali and loves the hospital he was in. I also think
that as us Baby Boomers advance in age, we will start seeing more and more medical facilities catering to aging gringos.
Bottom line, I think if you are going to have a widow maker heart attack, there is not much you can do. My brother in law was having a heart attack
and didn't know for 2 or 3 days, thought it was from the pasta.
I guess we have to live life to the fullest as we see fit and then hope when it's your time it happens fast and peaceful when your at the correct age.
My Dad is 87 and health as a horse. I lost my Mom in May. They were married for 63 years and after watching him go through that, maybe it is not as
much fun to grow, to old??
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EnsenadaDr
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What was the total cost, may I asK? | Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
biker:
I have spent many years in Baja Sur around Loreto and La Paz. I think that most of the health services have been Fantastic! You will find much more
Compassionate Doctors there than the States.
In Fact they saved my wife's life in Constitution . The arrived from a trip North and started having sever pains, at that time there was only a couple
of Doctors in Loreto. I took her to the General Hospital in Constitution on a Sunday. They check and found out her Appe had slowly rutured and after
check told her she only had about 4 hours to live. Operated that day she was released in a week.
Doctor who did the Surgery is now the Haead of the other Hospital
Later on they did an operation on my neck. Later went to the hospital inLa Paz.
I would not hesitate anytime I was there to get their Services.
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MMc
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Dirtbkr, the more remote, the less the services. People die in Baja that could have been saved with a 911 call in the US. That is part of the price to
live the life style that is so attractive. There are more and more services coming everyday. But from US exceptions emergency help is sub-par. Most
likely hours away.
Me, I'll take a life well lived on my terms, understanding and excepting the risk. "We all, are going to go."
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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bajaguy
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SPOT
Get a SPOT and the SAR and evacuation insurance options
http://www.findmespot.com/en/
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SFandH
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Classic risk/benefit/cost analysis. When I'm in remote areas I decrease the risk by not doing dangerous things. For example, we just returned from 3
months of RVing in BCS and one day a friend suggested we hike up a rather steep hill covered with loose rocks, cactus, and maybe rattlesnakes. We were
about 30 miles from the closest town which just had a simple clinic and there was no cell phone service. I passed on the idea explaining a simple
stumble could turn into a giant problem.
As far as falling face down in my soup because of a system malfunction and not having a 911 type service to a hospital, I accept that risk.......now.
That may change as I get older.
Be safe, be cautious, be smart.
Dirt biking? Be prepared (first aid knowledge and stuff), slow down, enjoy nature.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Dr.
Total Cost $61 Dollars Operation and 1 week.
It turned out that the Director of the General Hospital was a 32 nd Degree Mason as I found out later all General Hospitals have a 32 nd Degree Mason
as its Director.
As a resultt of the great care Virginia and I ask what we could do to help.
"Warm jackets for Cold Kids" was started and we collected Jackets in the states took them to the Hospital were the Social Workers distrubted them to
the very poor children out in the country around Constitution.
This Charity is still in effect and anyone who wants to take a Suitcase of warm Jackets, deliver them to the Director at the General Hospital.
As you know the Shriners Hospital for Crippled Chidren is being built right now in TJ.
Skeet/Loreto
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EnsenadaDr
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No I didn't know they were building a Shriners in TJ. When I was a pre-teen, I had this friend who invited me a few times to go to the "Rainbow
Girls". Her dad was a Mason, but the degree that you mention, I have no idea of rankings, etc. Believe me, I tried to ask questions, but it was all
"secret". I still do not see why a Mexican hospital in Cabo would have a Mason as its president, and do they get funding from Shriners in the US?
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motoged
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Good advice 
The SPOT will link you to local SAR support (military in Mexico) if you need the 911 function....some of the other "fly-outs" kick into gear once you
are already in the hospital and they return you to your home area/country.
The SARS responders will have a medic.
There are a few emergency satellite transponders on the market...do some research.
Ride safely, "if in doubt....don't...", carry enough water, and be prepared to walk out if the bike dies....
And stay out of the silt beds.... 
Don't believe everything you think....
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