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sancho
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Whale Conservation- Sea Shepard Labeled Pirates
Their tactics may be a bit rough, P Watson still has my
support, 1 Judge calls them nonviolent, the other calls them Pirates:
http://news.yahoo.com/court-anti-whaling-protesters-pirates-...
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mtgoat666
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well, let's call them "honorable and noble pirates on the morally right side of the controversy."
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A thousand whales a year for "research"? Maybe it takes that many to research the nutritional benefits to Japanese consumers.
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are we gonna do this again? okay im in!
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mtgoat666
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About that research,... does any credible scientist attach their name to that research?
--------------------- reminds me of USA farm subsidies, subsidizing crops that market forces tell you no one much wants:
Japanese Subsidies Keep Whaling Industry Afloat, Report Says
By HIROKO TABUCHI
NY Times, February 7, 2013
TOKYO — A wildlife conservation group has said in a report that Japan has been propping up its whaling industry with nearly $400 million in tax money
in recent years, stepping up subsidies even as the consumption of whale meat has slumped.
The report, compiled by the International Fund for Animal Welfare, in Yarmouth Port, Massachusetts, and released Wednesday, challenges assertions by
the Japanese government that whaling is a tradition with wide support among Japanese consumers.
Instead, government figures tallied in the report paint a picture of a struggling industry employing fewer than 1,000 people and dependent on public
handouts, which have included money meant for reconstruction after the earthquake and tsunami of March 2011.
Most Japanese consumers have turned away from whale meat...
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Ironic that SS is being called pirates...while the japanese whaling fleet has been ramming their ships (Yes there is video footage of it as of 2 days
ago) and trying to capsize them...Just miles off the Australian shores...
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I can't speak to Watson's latest allegations of being rammed by the Japanese fishing boats, but I do know that in the earlier filmed encounters,
Watson's ships were clearly the "Give Way" vessels and were required by International Marine Law to keep clear.
Watson's claims that he has never endangered his crew, or had any injuries on his vessels are, quite simply, lies.
He is a pathological liar and publicity seeker, and his motivation is to gain sympathy with the intent of increasing his funding.
That said, he has drawn the world's attention to the abuse of the International Whaling Commissions regulations, and has for two years in a row forced
the Japanese to curtail their scheduled whaling season, which I think is a good thing.
I firmly believe that both the UN and International Whaling Commission could end the activities of Japanese and Norweigan whaling fleets by providing
a clear definition of "research" and then enforce their regulations with their own resources, thus putting the vigilanty Watson out of business.
At least until he finds another cause to exploit.
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While I support their cause, the seamanship displayed by Paul Watson is the worst I have ever seen.
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I fully support the cause of Sea Shepherd. Paul Waston has backbone no politician will ever have. His tactics and use of volunteers is clearly
chaotic, but it's been getting the job done for many years and not just for whales. The real pirates, in this case, are the Japanese whalers and the
IWC. 
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Seems to me if there was no demand for whale meat/blubber there would be no Japanese whalers..... Honey, I'm home,what's on the Hibachi?
I hear the whales song
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajagrouper
Seems to me if there was no demand for whale meat/blubber there would be no Japanese whalers..... Honey, I'm home,what's on the Hibachi?
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Spot on! It must taste good? Remove the desire for the product and away goes the industry to supply it.
Of course, they could just outlaw whale for food in Japan and Norway, or where ever there is a market for it... if the whales are endangered, as they
did with turtles. It's up to the people of those places to decide, as I think you can't buy whale meat here, right?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I think you can't buy whale meat here, right? |
It's in the Costco freezers right next to the boneless bald eagle breasts
[Edited on 2-28-2013 by mtgoat666]
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French Lessons
The Frogs handled this kind of problem well years back in the Rainbow Warrior encounter.
The Nips should take note.
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I don't know about Norway, but one market for the whale meat in Japan is in school lunches. The theory is that once they get the kids used to the
taste, their future market is guarenteed.
The answer has to lie in legitimate governments taking responsible action. Bring enough political presure and they will yield.
Tie the end of whaling to trade agreements and you'll get results.
Make it a war and they will just get bigger guns.
I was particuarly (not) impressed when Watson's crew posted stories about how scared they were during the earthquake and tidal wave, and how they were
so lucky to get seats on the first planes out of the country. I thought that they bailed on a perfect opportunity to win the battle for the hearts and
minds of the Japanese public by setting aside their banners and sticnk bombs and pitch in to help the homeless and suffering.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I think you can't buy whale meat here, right? |
It's in the Costco freezers right next to the boneless bald eagle breasts
[Edited on 2-28-2013 by mtgoat666] |
Did yoy know that bald eagles and spotted ows taste the same? I doubt if that's the same for Australian and Baja wales. 
Bob Durrell
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The demand for whale meat has actually diminished, making whaling a non profitable action...
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2013/02/japans-sci...
As far as Paul Watson I support the cause without a doubt, as I would support any environmental cause that protects animals who can not speak for
themselves.
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I support the cause, but not the means. We need to redirect the energy and resources currently channeled toward SS, and apply them to getting the UN
and IWC to tighten their laws prohibiting commercial whaling, and to take direct responsibility for enforcing laws currently on the books.
Perhaps Watson's Merry Pranksters could get hired by the UN to document violations. Of course, that requires responsible behavior, and that isn't
something Watson does very well.
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Boycott Toyota!
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When I was growing up it was still possible to have a conversation with someone who had a different political opinion or a different way of looking at
the world. We maintained a certain respect for each other even though our perceptions of the world were miles apart. Sadly, that has gone downhill
and now it is ok for someone to ram boats and act like an idiot because he is doing what some consider to be a right thing. I would suggest that the
only difference between Paul's actions and a street mob or serial killer is the fact that he has some backers who are willing to turn the other eye
and encourage him in his non-social behavior because they somehow believe in the cause.
I certainly do not remember Jacque Cousteau using the same tactics and bullying but he was a much more effective agent for change.
So, somewhere along the line the bullying became acceptable for those who espoused a certain idea or philosophy. But this is a really one sided
affair for if a conservative were to start that kind of bullying , he would be crucified before the sun went down.
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Pescador,
Your logic suggests that the USA should have had a conversation with Bin Laden rather than blowing a hole in his head (something I don't have a
particular problem with, by the way).
Extra-ordinary circumstances require extra-ordinary means at times.
Watson is at war with whalers....some folks just need to wrap their minds around that....
Don't believe everything you think....
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