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Bob H
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Wow, Ken, we posted this subject just a couple of seconds apart. I reposted your old thread from 2009.
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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tripledigitken
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We have commented while driving south that it appears Baja is slowly getting better about the litter tossed out of cars.
The trash cans, while often times full, are being used in the remote areas.
Not really litter, but the rise of recycling has removed the wrecked trucks and their cargo for the most part.
The dumps, at least the ones visable from the road, are managed poorly. Coverage with dirt embankent is all but non-existent. A good dump sadly it
seems, is one that is on the leeward side of the road.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
Wow, Ken, we posted this subject just a couple of seconds apart. I reposted your old thread from 2009. |
Bob,
No point in two polls, I took the new one down. I think similar results would be found 4 years later. The beaches in populated areas seem to be a
huge challenge. The bloody plastic trash bags are a curse, especially bad through the San Quintin Valley it seems.
As it has been said already, it is a slow process to educate the peeps about litter. If not for the volunteer clean up crews on our highways NOB, our
roads would be a mess I'm sad to say.
Ken
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bajaguy
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People are not invested in where they live or their country........I see people nob and sob throw litter out of their cars, dump their ashtrays and
leave dirty diapers in shopping carts, parking lots and beside the road. It's just a habit with them..............I guess "somebody" will pick it up.
I have to ask.....would they do this at their home?????
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DENNIS
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There is more awareness these days with better schooling and media exposure.
Along with that, businesses here could be doing a better job of making trash recepticles available. In many cases they don't and the crap goes on the
ground.
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sancho
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Litter does not seem to have a high priority in Mex,
I can remember when it wasn't in the US to the
degree it is now, seems to be some education in the schools In Mex,
some things change slowly
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David K
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Who's old enough to remember "Give a Hoot, Don't Pollute" and the Indian with a tear rolling down his face after seeing all the trash being thrown out
of moving cars?
It was bad here in the USA too... Mexico is just catching up, some 40 years later... I am happy to see less trash being tossed than before.
No reason it can't stay on the vehicle's floor or a bag in the car, until you get home or to a genuine dumpster (and not a trash can that simply gets
emptied in the desert beyond view of the highway)!
Viva Baja!
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
No reason it can't stay on the vehicle's floor or a bag in the car, until you get home or to a genuine dumpster (and not a trash can that simply gets
emptied in the desert beyond view of the highway)!Viva Baja! |
Yes there is........if they throw it out of their car, it's not a bother to them
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CortezBlue
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I remember about 10 years ago there were a half dozen rusted out cars between Mexicali and SF not to mention the numerous tires.
I remember reading an article several years back that the college students in Mexicali have put together eco minded groups to pick up Hwy 5
However, last weekend at the 250, I still see the Mexican's just drop beer bottles everywhere. Then a short time later I saw another Mexican come
and pickup cans and bottles.
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ncampion
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Clearly improving. I remember about 10 years ago, a friend of mine just finished taking the test for Mex. citizenship, and he told me he only missed
one question. I asked him what was the question, and he said, "When driving down the road, which side of the car do you throw the empty beer can out
of". He should have know it was the passenger side!!!
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willardguy
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wouldnt it be great if there were a bounty on plastic and glass like there is with aluminum and steel? plastic will probably never happen but doesnt
glass have some value NOB ? a glass recycler in baja?
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Loretana
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Personally, I'm really encouraged at the attention that litter and the subsequent clean up has gotten here in Baja Sur. Loreto is so much cleaner now.
When I drove down to La Paz last Thursday, I saw many green giant trash bags filled and waiting for pick up on the side of the road.
I have no idea who filled them, but I'm guessing the state or municipal government is behind the clean up in preparation for the Semana Santa
holidays.
And good on them! 
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ncampion
Clearly improving. I remember about 10 years ago, a friend of mine just finished taking the test for Mex. citizenship, and he told me he only missed
one question. I asked him what was the question, and he said, "When driving down the road, which side of the car do you throw the empty beer can out
of". He should have know it was the passenger side!!! |
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vgabndo
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Funny you should mention him.
Iron Eyes Cody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=D...
Iron Eyes was a second generation Italian named Espera DeCorti; born in Louisiana in 1904. He was in a lot of movies.
The original was a good Public Service Announcement.
The one above highlights a tiny oasis in the magalopolis which still exists today. They needed to hide a trash landfill!
The Feds spent big loot on the Cody PSA's and "give a hoot". Baja highways seem to have about an equal amount of anti-littering signs as I see in the
states. Maybe Mexico needs an owl?
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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David K
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Great Perry, thanks!
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MMc
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We can all thank Ladybird Johnson, until till she started keep America Beautiful. America looked much the same. She coined the term litterbug.
If you read Travels with Charlie, Steinbeck refers to trash around townships as he approaches.
Baja is getting better, but the flag is still a tee shirt bag blowing off a cactus.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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https://www.sites.google.com/site/cleaningupbaja/
thought I would share ... and boy have I got some wild stories to tell about starting the whole process in la bocana ... one time I came home isobbing
because one of the businesses started trashing up an area of his place where we had spent days cleaning. Then I went to his house and started yelling
at him stuff like "do you think I enjoy cleaning up trash ????" "why are you being so messy ???" and I mean I was so upset that I was yelling loudly
and every single neighbor of his started coming out ! I was tired and that day I really lost it .... and went home sobbing. He never trashed it
again. I mean, would you ??????
Then there was the time I posted huge pics of someone's really very messy yard at the local tienda after I asked if I could clean it up and they said
no. I asked if I could get my Mexican helper to do it (thinking maybe they were insulted by having a gringa do it) and they said no. Then I asked if
I could PAY THEM TO CLEAN IT and when they said no, I went home, got the camera and took photos. and I kid you not, I posted the photos at the local
store that EVERYONE goes to at least once if not more times in a day.
Needless to say, that yard was cleaned up the next day. I was thrilled and Silvia and I have become best friends.
Ohhhhh the stories ..........
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bajamedic
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Just a few shots that were taken during my February 2013 San Felipe trip and I can assure you that I brought home many more photos of some beautiful
scenery (if you like the desert). El Dorado Ranch and most of the Campos were very clean, far better than I had expected.
I believe these guys are doing their part to keep the trash in San Felipe under control and sorry for the bugs on the windshield.
I do have a lot of great shots that do not include the trash, but this thread was about the garbage. JH
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ncampion
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willardguy
wouldnt it be great if there were a bounty on plastic and glass like there is with aluminum and steel? plastic will probably never happen but doesnt
glass have some value NOB ? a glass recycler in baja? |
In Loreto they do recycle aluminum and recently, clear plastic bottles. I wish they would start doing glass, there's lots of that around. In
general, Loreto has gotten a lot cleaner in the last few years, but the dump still has a long way to go.
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bajaguy
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Beer Bottles
Wonder if beer places would accept empty non-returnable bottles????
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